Sav m/43 (1944) - Revision history

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' were an assault gun vehicle based on the chassis of the [[Strv m/41 S-II|Strv m/41]], similar to the [[StuG III (Family)|StuG III]] they removed the turret and built with an casemate for being able to carry a more powerful gun than the previous [[Kan m/38 (37 mm)|37mm Kan m/38]] for its intended purpose of being able to provide support. When the Army stopped its order of 122 [[Strv m/41 S-II]] they had already acquired a total 104 of the 122 that were completed, the remaining 18 were repurposed to become support vehicle to the different artillery regiments as assault gun divisions, they were suppose to be armed with [[Kan m/44 (105 mm)|105mm Kan m/44]] but the order for these cannons would take a while so the first 18 vehicles were equipped with the older [[Kan m/02 (75 mm)|75mm Kan m/02]] as a temporary solution, they were all suppose to be delivered in November 1944, but issues occured with the production and it wouldn't be till January 1945 when all were delivered. Between 1945 and 1946 all the {{PAGENAME}} would be equipped with its intended gun, along with an order of additional 18 SAV m/43s and wouldn't be till late 1947 that all the units were completed and deployed where they would serve the Swedish Army in different regiments throughout the years in service till its final fate of being decommissioned in early 1970's.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was an assault gun vehicle based on the chassis of the [[Strv m/41 S-II|Strv m/41]]. Similar to the German [[StuG III (Family)|StuG III]], they removed the turret and built a casemate to be able to equip a more powerful gun than the previous [[Kan m/38 (37 mm)|37 mm Kan m/38]] for its intended purpose of being able to provide support. When the Army stopped its order of 122 [[Strv m/41 S-II]], they had already acquired a total of 104 that were completed. The remaining 18 were repurposed to become support vehicles to the different artillery regiments as assault gun divisions. The Sav m/43 was supposed to be armed with a [[Kan m/44 (105 mm)|105 mm Kan m/44]], but the order for these cannons would take a while so the first 18 vehicles were equipped with the older [[Kan m/02 (75 mm)|75 mm Kan m/02]] as a temporary solution. They were all supposed to be delivered in November 1944, but issues occurred with the production and it wouldn't be until January 1945 when all were delivered. Between 1945 and 1946, all the {{PAGENAME}} would be equipped with its intended gun, along with an order of an additional 18 Sav m/43s, and it wouldn't be until late 1947 that all the units were completed and deployed where they would serve the Swedish Army in different regiments throughout the years in service until its final fate of being decommissioned in early 1970s.
-{{PAGENAME}} were introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]] as a Tank destroyer, a bit cumbersome compared to the previous [[Ikv 72]] but better frontal protection and can be used in a similar playstyle. The {{PAGENAME}} is best used in an hull down position or using it in a supporting role either as a distraction to take away attention from allied units that can flank around the enemy or it can use its larger 75mm gun to deal a finishing blow to an enemy vehicle. {{PAGENAME}} is also an suitable ambush tank, waiting behind a hill using its gun depression while also utilize the effectiveness of the armour to increase its survivablity if taking fire. But also take note that compare to the [[Ikv 72]]'s 75mm [[Kan m/41 (75 mm)|Kan m/41]] we got the {{PAGENAME}}'s 75mm [[Kan m/02 (75 mm)|Kan m/02]] that are an older cannon and doesn't have the same efficency and will perform inferior, but it's still a decent 75mm and can be utilized by flanking around the map and try to hit targets on their weaker side or side armour.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]], the {{PAGENAME}} is a bit cumbersome compared to the previous [[Ikv 72]] but better frontal protection and can be used in a similar playstyle. The {{PAGENAME}} is best used in an hull down position or using it in a supporting role either as a distraction to take away attention from allied units that can flank around the enemy or it can use its larger 75 mm gun to deal a finishing blow to an enemy vehicle. The {{PAGENAME}} is also a suitable ambush tank, waiting behind a hill using its gun depression while also utilizing the effectiveness of the armour to increase its survivability if taking fire. However, compared to the [[Ikv 72]]'s [[Kan m/41 (75 mm)|75 mm Kan m/41]], the {{PAGENAME}}'s [[Kan m/02 (75 mm)|Kan m/02]] is an older cannon and doesn't have the same efficiency and will not perform as well, but it's still a decent 75 mm and can be utilized by flanking around the map and trying to hit targets on their weaker side or rear armour.
 == General info ==
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 | Hull || 30 mm (64°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 50 mm (15°) ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (61°) ''Bottom glacis'' || 15 mm  || 15 mm (13°) <br> 10 mm (59-64°) ''Engine cover''|| 30 mm (26°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm (2-17°) ''Engine deck''
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 | Casemate || 50 mm (23°-24°) ''Turret front'' <br> 50 mm (spherical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 13 mm (14°) ''Bottom'' <br> 13 mm (38°) ''Top'' <br> 13 mm (0-7°) ''Bustle'' || 13 mm (13°) ''Bottom'' <br> 13 mm (44°) ''Top'' <br> 13 mm (13°) ''Bustle'' || 13 mm (11°) ''Front'' <br> 13 mm (3°) ''Rear''
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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' were an assault gun vehicle based on the chassis of the [[Strv m/41 S-II|Strv m/41]], similar to the [[StuG III (Family)|StuG III]] they removed the turret and built with an casemate for being able to carry a more powerful gun than the previous [[Kan m/38 (37 mm)|37mm Kan m/38]] for its intended purpose of being able to provide support. When the Army stopped its order of 122 [[Strv m/41 S-II]] they had already acquired a total 104 of the 122 that were completed, the remaining 18 were repurposed to become support vehicle to the different artillery regiments as assault gun divisions, they were suppose to be armed with [[Kan m/44 (105 mm)|105mm Kan m/44]] but the order for these cannons would take a while so the first 18 vehicles were equipped with the older [[Kan m/02 (75 mm)|75mm Kan m/02]] as a temporary solution, they were all suppose to be delivered in November 1944, but issues occured with the production and it wouldn't be till January 1945 when all were delivered. Between 1945 and 1946 all the {{PAGENAME}} would be equipped with its intended gun, along with an order of additional 18 SAV m/43s and wouldn't be till late 1947 that all the units were completed and deployed where they would serve the Swedish Army in different regiments throughout the years in service till its final fate of being decommissioned in early 1970's.
 == General info ==

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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || 30 mm (64°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 50 mm (15°) ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (61°) ''Bottom glacis'' || 15 mm  || 15 (13°) mm <br> 10 mm (59-64°) ''Engine cover''|| 30 mm (26°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm (2-17°) ''Engine deck''
+| Hull || 30 mm (64°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 50 mm (15°) ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (61°) ''Bottom glacis'' || 15 mm  || 15 mm (13°) <br> 10 mm (59-64°) ''Engine cover''|| 30 mm (26°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm (2-17°) ''Engine deck''
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 | Casemate || 50 mm (23°-24°) ''Turret front'' <br> 50 mm (spherical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 13 mm (14°) ''Bottom'' <br> 13 mm (38°) ''Top'' <br> 13 mm (0-7°) ''Bustle'' || 13 mm (13°) ''Bottom'' <br> 13 mm (44°) ''Top'' <br> 13 mm (13°) ''Bustle'' || 13 mm (11°) ''Front'' <br> 13 mm (3°) ''Rear''

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 The Sav m/43 has up to 50 mm of armour in front, which is capable of deflecting some guns commonly encountered but is still vulnerable to larger calibres. It has better frontal protection than the [[Ikv 72]], but is still rather lightly armoured from other angles. The engine deck is only 10 mm thick, and can be penetrated by aircraft heavy machine guns and cannons. The side armour is only 15 mm thick at most, and can also be penetrated quite easily by heavy machins guns and autocannon fire. Due to the cramped crew compartment and scattered ammunition within the compartment, any penetration by a shell is likely to cause critical damage to multiple modules and/or crew members.
-'''Armour type:''' <!-- The types of armour present on the vehicle and their general locations -->
+'''Armour type:'''
-<!-- Example: * Rolled homogeneous armour (Front, Side, Rear, Hull roof)
+* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, casemate)
-* Cast homogeneous armour (Turret, Transmission area) -->
+* Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet)
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || 50(15°) mm lower Plate
+| Hull || 30 mm (64°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 50 mm (15°) ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (61°) ''Bottom glacis'' || 15 mm  || 15 (13°) mm <br> 10 mm (59-64°) ''Engine cover''|| 30 mm (26°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm (2-17°) ''Engine deck''
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-| Turret || 50(23-24°) mm ''Turret front'' <br> 50(0-75°) mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 13(14-38°) mm || 13(13°) mm || 13(79-87°) mm
+| Casemate || 50 mm (23°-24°) ''Turret front'' <br> 50 mm (spherical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 13 mm (14°) ''Bottom'' <br> 13 mm (38°) ''Top'' <br> 13 mm (0-7°) ''Bustle'' || 13 mm (13°) ''Bottom'' <br> 13 mm (44°) ''Top'' <br> 13 mm (13°) ''Bustle'' || 13 mm (11°) ''Front'' <br> 13 mm (3°) ''Rear''
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 '''Notes:'''
-Belly 15 mm
+* Belly armour is 20 mm thick.
+* Mudguards are 4 mm thick.
-tracks suspension etc. 15 mm <!-- Any additional notes which the user needs to be aware of -->
+* Suspension wheels, tracks, and torsion bars are 15 mm thick.
-<!-- Example: * Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick, tracks are 30 mm thick, and torsion bars are 60 mm thick. -->
+* A 10 mm plate separates the crew compartment from the engine compartment.
 === Mobility ===

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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' <br> ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Hull || 50(15°) mm lower Plate
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-| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Turret || 50(23-24°) mm ''Turret front'' <br> 50(0-75°) mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 13(14-38°) mm || 13(13°) mm || 13(79-87°) mm
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-'''Notes:''' <!-- Any additional notes which the user needs to be aware of -->
+'''Notes:'''
 <!-- Example: * Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick, tracks are 30 mm thick, and torsion bars are 60 mm thick. -->

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
-<!-- [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]] -->
+[[File:Ammoracks Sav m-43 (1944).png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated:''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.23.1.41''' -->
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 == Usage in battles ==

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 ! 5th<br>rack empty
 ! 6th<br>rack empty
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-| '''80''' || 46&nbsp;''(+34)'' || 37&nbsp;''(+43)'' || 25&nbsp;''(+55)'' || 22&nbsp;''(+58)'' || 19&nbsp;''(+61)'' || 8&nbsp;''(+72)'' ||1&nbsp;''(+79)''|| No
+| '''80''' || 78&nbsp;''(+2)'' || 67&nbsp;''(+13)'' || 64&nbsp;''(+16)'' || 55&nbsp;''(+25)'' || 43&nbsp;''(+37)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+79)'' || No
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 The Sav m/43 (1944) is a more forgiving alternative to the [[Ikv 72]]. Like the Ikv 72, it performs best in a hull-down position, as it can use the depression to present a steeper angle on the frontal armour to increase its effective thickness. It has a relatively weak armour from the sides, top and rear, even if less vulnerable than the Ikv 72. It is best to play this vehicle cautiously since it has a slower manoeuvrability than the Ikv 72.
-The armour on its own is adequate enough to survive most hits to the frontal armour at this battle rating, but leaving its side and rear exposed to enemies will make a quick work of it. Hence, it's a good support role vehicle to help allied vehicles by either finishing the enemies off or drawing attention to itself with the frontal armour so other allied vehicles avoid being targeted. Against heavier armoured vehicles or just vehicles with better guns such as [[M3 Lee]] and [[B1 ter]], it's better to avoid direct confrontation and not fight on equal terms.
+The armour on its own is adequate enough to survive most hits to the frontal armour at this battle rating, but leaving its side and rear exposed to enemies will make a quick work of it. Hence, it's a good support role vehicle to help allied vehicles by either finishing the enemies off or drawing attention to itself with the frontal armour so other allied vehicles avoid being targeted. Against heavier armoured vehicles or just vehicles with better guns such as [[M3 Lee]] and [[B1 ter]], it is better to avoid direct confrontation and not fight on equal terms.
 While the gun is quite adequate against most enemies at its battle rating, it can be seen obsolete in uptiers where it will face opponents with considerably more armour. The gun might not be efficient in an uptier but it can still do damage if resorting to ambushing and shooting from hills, using the angled armour and the depression of the gun to its advantage. It can lock down areas and buy time for allied tanks to come to its aid doing flanking manoeuvres. The Sav m/43 (1944) can also move around to flank heavier armoured vehicles, getting to their side armour will give it a chance to penetrate and the ability to disable the better protected tanks when frontal engagement is not a viable option.
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 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-[[M4A3 (105)]] - The M4A3 (1059 is a dangerous vehicle for the SAV m/43 (1944) to encounter, angled armour making the shells of the [[Kan m/02 (75 mm)|Kan m/02]] next to unusable against its angled frontal armour. It also got a gun with a HEAT shell that will make quick work of the Sav's armour and most likely detonate the ammunition or knock out the crew if it gets a good shot on the Sav. Best to stay away or ambush it where it shows off its less armoured and flat side armour.
+[[M4A3 (105)]] - The M4A3 (105) is a dangerous vehicle for the SAV m/43 (1944) to encounter, angled armour making the shells of the [[Kan m/02 (75 mm)|Kan m/02]] next to unusable against its angled frontal armour. It also got a gun with a HEAT shell that will make quick work of the Sav's armour and most likely detonate the ammunition or knock out the crew if it gets a good shot on the Sav. Best to stay away or ambush it where it shows off its less armoured and flat side armour.
-[[B1 ter]] - The B1 Ter has an armour thick enough that it can ignore the penetration capability of the SAV m/43's rounds, lacking in firepower compared to vehicles like [[M4A3 (105)]] or [[M3 Lee]], it can still do quite the damage with the 47 mm gun in the turret. Best way to eliminate this type of target is to either hit the less armoured turret or get a hit in the flat armoured rear.
+[[B1 ter]] - The B1 ter has an armour thick enough that it can ignore the penetration capability of the SAV m/43's rounds, lacking in firepower compared to vehicles like [[M4A3 (105)]] or [[M3 Lee]], it can still do quite the damage with the 47 mm gun in the turret. The best way to eliminate this type of target is to either hit the less armoured turret or the flat armoured rear.
-[[M3 Lee]] - Similar to M4A3 (105), the M3 Lee's armour can prove to be quite resilient against the SAV m/43 (1944)'s shells forcing it to avoid the direct confrontation with the M3 Lee. The Lee is not just a well armoured medium tank, it also got a 75 mm anti-tank gun and a 37 mm gun in a turret which can prove to be efficient against the SAV m/43's armour. Making it a lethal opponent to face aswel, where the best chance is to catch one off guard on the side or rear and attack the weaker side or rear armour.
+[[M3 Lee]] - Similar to the M4A3 (105), the M3 Lee's armour can prove to be quite resilient against the SAV m/43 (1944)'s shells forcing it to avoid the direct confrontation with the M3 Lee. The Lee is not just a well armoured medium tank, it also got a 75 mm anti-tank gun and a 37 mm gun in a turret which can prove to be efficient against the SAV m/43's armour. This makes it also a lethal opponent to face, where the best chance is to catch one off guard on the side or rear and attack the weaker side or rear armour.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:kan m/02 (75 mm)/Ammunition|slpprj m/40, sgr m/22-38, rökgr m/22, slpprj m/40B, slpgr m/39}}
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-In March of 1940, Sweden ordered about 90 TNH tanks (known as the Panzer 38(t) in German service) from Czechoslovakia, but Germany, which had occupied Czechoslovakia in 1938, confiscated the tanks for its own use as the Panzer 38(t) Ausf. S. Sweden still needed the light tanks, and after negotiations the Swedish manufacturer Scania-Vabis was allowed to produce them under license, and compensation for the lost tanks. Sweden ordered 116 Strv M/41 SI in June, 1941, and in June of 1942 Sweden ordered 122 Strv M/41 SII. The last 18 Strv M/41 SII were built as the Sav M/43 in 1944. Another 18 Sav M/43 were purpose-built afterwards. The Sav M/43 was a casemate assault gun made by removing the turret of the Strv M/41, and adding a casemate superstructure, initially housing a 75 mm gun. The 75 mm gun was replaced by a 105 mm M/44 Bofors cannon. The Sav M/43 served in artillery units until 1951, when they were given to armoured units instead. They served until 1973.
+In March of 1940, Sweden ordered about 90 TNH tanks (known as the Panzer 38(t) in German service) from ČKD, but Germany, which had occupied Czechoslovakia in 1938, confiscated the tanks for its own use as the Panzer 38(t) Ausf. S. Sweden still needed the light tanks, and after negotiations the Swedish manufacturer Scania-Vabis was allowed to produce them under license, and compensation for the lost tanks. Sweden ordered 116 Strv M/41 SI in June, 1941, and in June of 1942 Sweden ordered 122 Strv M/41 SII. The last 18 Strv M/41 SII were built as the Sav M/43 in 1944. Another 18 Sav M/43 were purpose-built afterwards. The Sav M/43 was a casemate assault gun made by removing the turret of the Strv M/41, and adding a casemate superstructure, initially housing a 75 mm gun. The 75 mm gun was replaced by a 105 mm M/44 Bofors cannon. The Sav M/43 served in artillery units until 1951, when they were given to armoured units instead. They served until 1973.
 === [[wt:en/news/6595-development-stormartillerivagn-m-43-en|Devblog]] ===