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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Israeli jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].
+The Sa'ar was a later development of the [[Sambad]] (Super Mystere B2). The reason for its development was the weak, fuel-hungry engine of the Super Mystere, the Atar 101G-3 engine. Not only that, but it was also prone to mechanical failures. In 1967, it was proposed to use the engine of the [[A-4H (Israel)|A-4H]] in the Super Mystere. The Pratt & Whitney J52-P-8A engine was lighter, 25% more powerful, more reliable, and less fuel-hungry, but it had no afterburner. The new aircraft featured more ground ordnance capabilities, Shafrir 2 missiles, and a better range, at the cost of no longer being considered an interceptor due to the loss of its afterburner. By 1973, the upgrade program was completed, and all 26 Super Mysteres in the IAF were upgraded to the Sa'ar model.
-The Sa'ar was a later development over the [[Sambad]] (Super Mystere B2). The reason for it's development was the weak fuel hungry engine of the Super Mystere, the Atar 101G-3 engine. Not only that, but it was also prone to mechanical failures. In 1967 it was proposed using the A-4H engine in the Super Mystere. The Pratt & Whitney J52-P-8A engine proposed was lighter, 25% more powerful, more reliable and less fuel hungry, but it had no afterburner. The new aircraft featured more ground ordinance capabilities, Shafrir 2 missiles and a better range, at the cost of no longer being considered an interceptor due to the loss of its afterburner. By 1973 the upgrade program was completed, and all the 26 Super Mysteres in the IAF were upgraded to the Sa'ar model.
+Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]], the Sa'ar is played in a very unique way in battles. It has the engine of the A-4 Skyhawk and also some of its weakness. It has a decent top speed for a subsonic fighter, but its acceleration and poor energy retention don't make the Sa'ar a frontline fighter. While it can go for bases, it's not recommended since equipping ground ordnance hampers flight performance severely and would become easy prey for supersonic interceptors like the MiG-19 and MiG-21. Instead, as a support fighter, the Sa'ar can have very good results, because at its BR most jets have no countermeasures, and the [[Shafrir 2]] is a relatively powerful missile with similar characteristics to the [[AIM-9D]].
 == General info ==
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 * Poor survivability
 * Poor energy retention
-* Low Muzzle velocity for the DEFA cannons
+* Low muzzle velocity for the DEFA cannons
 == History ==
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-The Sa'ar was a further development of the Super Mystere B2 Sambad by Israel. It's development can be traced back to 1967 when it was proposed to use the Pratt & Whitney J52-P-8A engine in Super Mysteres because of their unreliable engine. The engine used in the Super Mystere, was the Atar 101G-3. This engine had an afterburner and allowed the Super Mystere to reach supersonic speeds. However this came at the cost of reliability, elevated fuel consumption and frequent mechanical issues, not to mention that it was a very heavy engine, and when not using the afterburner it was also very weak. The upgrade was also motivated by the French embargo imposed over Israel in 1967, this embargo affected the acquiring off pieces and other equipment's needed to maintain the Atar 101G-3 engine.
+The Sa'ar was a further development of the Super Mystere B2 Sambad by Israel. Its development can be traced back to 1967 when it was proposed to use the Pratt & Whitney J52-P-8A engine in Super Mysteres because of their unreliable engine. The engine used in the Super Mystere, was the Atar 101G-3. This engine had an afterburner and allowed the Super Mystere to reach supersonic speeds. However this came at the cost of reliability, elevated fuel consumption and frequent mechanical issues, not to mention that it was a very heavy engine, and when not using the afterburner it was also very weak. The upgrade was also motivated by the French embargo imposed over Israel in 1967, this embargo affected the acquiring of parts and other equipment needed to maintain the Atar 101G-3 engine.
-So in 1969 field tests were carried with a modified Super Mystere using the A-4H engine, the J52-P8A. It was found that the engine was lighter, less fuel hungry and 25% more powerful. Thus the Sa'ar was capable of carrying more ground ordinance, and as such, it was equipped with a ballistics computer for bombs, it also had more hard points and Shafrir 2 AAM for air to air combat. Soon it was approved the upgrade for all the Super Mystere fleet (26 units) of the IAF and work began by Israel Aircraft Industries at Lod Airport. First production units were handed to the IAF in 1969 and by early 1973 all the 26 Super Mysteres were upgraded to the Sa'ar model.
+In 1969, field tests were carried with a modified Super Mystere using the J52-P8A. It was found that the engine was lighter, less fuel hungry and 25% more powerful. Thus the Sa'ar was capable of carrying more ground ordnance, and as such, it was equipped with a ballistics computer for bombs, it also had more hardpoints and Shafrir 2 AAMs for air-to-air combat. Soon, the upgrade for all the Super Mystere fleet (26 units) of the IAF was approved and work began by Israel Aircraft Industries at Lod Airport. The first production units were handed to the IAF in 1969 and by early 1973, all 26 Super Mysteres were upgraded to the Sa'ar model.
-During the Yom Kippur War, the Sa'ars of the 105 Squadron of the IAF conducted several sorties to help in the war effort. This aircrafts participated both in the Egyptian and Syrian front. In the Syrian front they were used to attack Syrian armour in the Golan Heights. Against the Egyptians, they where both used for air cover and ground attacks. But were primarily used against the Egyptian Third Army crossing the Suez Canal. Around 150 tanks were destroyed by the Sa'ar in a spam of days, alongside artillery units, command posts, logistic centers and other armoured vehicles. After fighting in Egypt, the Sa'ar was relocated to Syria, were they were used to help in air raids deep in the country. When the IDF crossed the Suez canal, the Sa'ar was also there providing CAS capabilities and it participated in all the major offensives of the war. At the end, the Sa'ars flew 887 total sorties with 6 losses and two pilots of the 105 Squadron dead.
+During the Yom Kippur War, the Sa'ars of the 105 Squadron of the IAF conducted several sorties to help in the war effort. This aircraft participated on both the Egyptian and Syrian fronts. On the Syrian front, they were used to attack Syrian armour in the Golan Heights. Against the Egyptians, they were both used for air cover and ground attacks, but were primarily used against the Egyptian Third Army crossing the Suez Canal. Around 150 tanks were destroyed by the Sa'ar in a span of days, alongside artillery units, command posts, logistic centres and other armoured vehicles. After fighting in Egypt, the Sa'ar was relocated to Syria, where they were used to help in air raids deep in the country. When the IDF crossed the Suez canal, the Sa'ar was also there providing CAS capabilities and it participated in all major offensives of the war. By the end, the Sa'ars had flown 887 total sorties with 6 losses.
-The Sa'ar was later replaced by the F-4 Phantom and 12 Sa'ars were sold to Honduras in 1976, were they remained in service until 1996.
+The Sa'ar was later replaced by the F-4 Phantom and 12 Sa'ars were sold to Honduras in 1976, where they remained in service until 1996.
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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Israeli jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].
 == General info ==
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 * Without load
 * 2 x Shafrir 2 missiles
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 * Wide variety of air-to-ground ordnance
 * Decent manoeuvrability
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Weak engine; lacks the afterburner the previous Sambad has
 * Poor survivability
 == History ==
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-The Sa'ar, an upgraded version of the [[Super Mystere B2|Dassault Super Mystere]] using Pratt & Whitney J52-P-8A engines from [[A-4H_(Israel)|A-4H Skyhawk]] inventory, begin seeing service in the IAF (Israel Air Force) in February 1969. The name Sa'ar in Israeli means Storm.
+The Sa'ar was a further development of the Super Mystere B2 Sambad by Israel. It's development can be traced back to 1967 when it was proposed to use the Pratt & Whitney J52-P-8A engine in Super Mysteres because of their unreliable engine. The engine used in the Super Mystere, was the Atar 101G-3. This engine had an afterburner and allowed the Super Mystere to reach supersonic speeds. However this came at the cost of reliability, elevated fuel consumption and frequent mechanical issues, not to mention that it was a very heavy engine, and when not using the afterburner it was also very weak. The upgrade was also motivated by the French embargo imposed over Israel in 1967, this embargo affected the acquiring off pieces and other equipment's needed to maintain the Atar 101G-3 engine.
-The {{PAGENAME}} first saw combat in the 1973 Yom Kippur War as fighter-bombers. Only 6 Sa'ars were lost in combat during the war, with two pilots killed.
+During the Yom Kippur War, the Sa'ars of the 105 Squadron of the IAF conducted several sorties to help in the war effort. This aircrafts participated both in the Egyptian and Syrian front. In the Syrian front they were used to attack Syrian armour in the Golan Heights. Against the Egyptians, they where both used for air cover and ground attacks. But were primarily used against the Egyptian Third Army crossing the Suez Canal. Around 150 tanks were destroyed by the Sa'ar in a spam of days, alongside artillery units, command posts, logistic centers and other armoured vehicles. After fighting in Egypt, the Sa'ar was relocated to Syria, were they were used to help in air raids deep in the country. When the IDF crossed the Suez canal, the Sa'ar was also there providing CAS capabilities and it participated in all the major offensives of the war. At the end, the Sa'ars flew 887 total sorties with 6 losses and two pilots of the 105 Squadron dead.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=md_460_saar Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 * Without load
 * 10 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (2,500 lb total)
 * 8 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (4,000 lb total)
 * 4 x 250/50 kg G.P. bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 4 x 360/50 kg G.P. bombs (1,440 kg total)
 * 4 x 500/50 kg G.P. bombs (2,000 kg total)
 * 4 x Mk.2 incendiary bombs
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 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 {{main|LDGP Mk 81 (250 lb)|100/50 kg G.P. (100 kg)|LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|250/50 kg G.P. (250 kg)}}
-{{main|360/50 kg G.P. (360 kg)|500/50 kg G.P. (500 kg)}}
+{{main|360/50 kg G.P. (360 kg)|500/50 kg G.P. (500 kg)|Mk.2 incendiary}}
 {{main|Shafrir 2|FFAR Mighty Mouse|Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP}}
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 * 32 x Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets + 2 x Shafrir 2 missiles
 * 2 x Shafrir 2 missiles
 == Usage in battles ==

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 == Usage in battles ==
-<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' --
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 In Air RB, this aircraft can be used with minimum fuel load and the 2 x Shafrir 2 loadout , firing your amazing missiles at others that are unaware of you and using your manoeuvrability to engage in 1-vs-1 dogfights. Make sure no other enemies are around since you will get slow after the first few turns.
 In Ground RB, this aircraft can greatly utilize its CCIP picking the 2 x Shafrir 2 + 16 x 100 kg bombs, dropping a single pair accurately on each target and ensuring a destruction with their large TNT explosive mass. This aircraft also features Zuni and Mighty Mouse rockets but due to a lack of CCIP, scoring accurate hits will be harder.
-It is worth mentioning that this aircraft also has much bigger bombs (100 kg, 250 lb, 250 kg, 360 kg and 500 kg) that can be used both in Air RB to bomb bases and in but they significantly slow your plane down, especially in Ground RB) These heavier bombs also don't grant the ability to achieve up to 8 drops, which can help secure 8 or more destructions in Ground RB.
+It is worth mentioning that this aircraft also has much bigger bombs (100 kg, 250 lb, 250 kg, 360 kg and 500 kg) that can be used both in Air RB to bomb bases and in Ground RB, but they significantly slow your plane down. These heavier bombs also grant the ability to achieve up to 8 drops, which can help secure 8 or more destructions in Ground RB.
 Despite lacking engine thrust, it features decent manoeuvrability and armament options where if you get used to this vehicle, you can see great results in all gamemodes.
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 * Weak engine; lacks the afterburner the previous Sambad has
 * Poor survivability
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 * Excellent Shafrir 2 air-to-air missiles with long range and good turning ability
-* Wide variety of air-to-ground ordinance
+* Wide variety of air-to-ground ordnance
 * Decent manoeuvrability
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 == Media ==
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-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
-* ''topic on the official game forum;''
+* [https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/318986-super-myst%C3%A8re-saar/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance | Russian forum only]
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-''The aircraft features a rather weak engine featuring low acceleration'' and bad speed conservation. It is greatly maneuverable at all speeds with not too bad compression at higher speeds.
+The aircraft features a rather weak engine with a low acceleration and bad energy retention. It is greatly manoeuvrable at all speeds with little to average compression at higher speeds.
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-''The aircraft features 14mm steel plates infront of the instrument panel and behind the pilot as well as 40mm of bulletproof glass angled at 61 degrees which can save you from some fragmentation but getting shot most times will result in a fire'' due to fuel tanks (self-sealing) being everywhere on your aircraft, from the center of the fuselage all the way to your wingtips. Your engine is also quite large which will often get shot and get set on fire.
+The aircraft features 14 mm steel plates in front of the instrument panel and behind the pilot as well as 40 mm of bulletproof glass angled at 61 degrees, which can save the pilot from some fragmentation. Getting shot most times will result in a fire due to the self-sealing fuel tanks being everywhere on your aircraft, from the center of the fuselage all the way to your wingtips. The engine is also quite large and will easily get shot and set on fire.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
-<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' --
-''In Air RB, this aircraft can be used with minimum fuel load and the x2 Shafrir 2 loadout as a third-party aircraft, firing your amazing missiles at others that are unaware of you and using your maneuverability to engage in dogfights if no other enemies are around since you will get slow after the first few turns.''
+In Air RB, this aircraft can be used with minimum fuel load and the 2 x Shafrir 2 loadout , firing your amazing missiles at others that are unaware of you and using your manoeuvrability to engage in 1-vs-1 dogfights. Make sure no other enemies are around since you will get slow after the first few turns.
-In Ground RB, this aircraft can greatly utilize its CCIP picking the x2 Shafrir 2 + x16 100kg bombs (that are actually 134kg), dropping a single pair accurately on each target and ensuring a destruction with their large TNT equivalent. This aircraft also features Zuni and Mighty Mouse rockets but due to a lack of CCIP, getting frags will be harder.
+In Ground RB, this aircraft can greatly utilize its CCIP picking the 2 x Shafrir 2 + 16 x 100 kg bombs, dropping a single pair accurately on each target and ensuring a destruction with their large TNT explosive mass. This aircraft also features Zuni and Mighty Mouse rockets but due to a lack of CCIP, scoring accurate hits will be harder.
-It is worth mentioning that this aircraft also has much bigger bombs (100kg, 250lb, 250kg, 360kg and 500kg) that can be used both in Air RB to bomb bases and in but they significantly slow your plane down, especially in Ground RB  without granting you the ability to achieve up to 8 drops which can grant you 8 or more kills in Ground RB.
+It is worth mentioning that this aircraft also has much bigger bombs (100 kg, 250 lb, 250 kg, 360 kg and 500 kg) that can be used both in Air RB to bomb bases and in but they significantly slow your plane down, especially in Ground RB) These heavier bombs also don't grant the ability to achieve up to 8 drops, which can help secure 8 or more destructions in Ground RB.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
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 * Great air-to-air missiles
 * Amazing air-to-ground capabilities
-* Decent maneuverability
+* Decent manoeuvrability
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Weak engine
 * Low survivability
 == History ==

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