SUB-I-II - Revision history

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U43191476: Updated Pros and Cons, History, and See Also

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Updated Pros and Cons, History, and See Also

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‎Survivability and armour

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‎Description

← Older revision		Revision as of 01:05, 26 June 2024
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	* [[wt:en/news/7997-development-sub-i-ii-speed-and-bite-en\|[Devblog] SUB-I-II: Speed and Bite]]		* [[wt:en/news/7997-development-sub-i-ii-speed-and-bite-en\|[Devblog] SUB-I-II: Speed and Bite]]

		+	{{Manufacturer MHI}}
	{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}		{{Japan anti-aircraft vehicles}}

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 * [[AMX-10P]]
 * [[Marder A1-]]
 Vehicles with similar weapon systems

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 * [[AMX-10P]]
 * [[Marder A1-]]
 Vehicles with similar weapon systems
 * [[R3 T20 FA-HS]]
 * [[Ystervark]]
 * [[Type 87 RCV (P)]]

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-The SUB-I-II has no notable armour. It is dangerous to stand in the open without cover, as the SPAA can be penetrated by any tank or plane. The survivability of this SPAA is very low if any enemy has a direct line of sight on it.
+The SUB-I-II has no notable armour. It is dangerous to stand in the open without cover, as the SPAA can be penetrated by any tank or plane. The turret is open topped which can allow for weapons of any type to damage the gunner. The survivability of this SPAA is very low if any enemy has a direct line of sight on it.
 '''Armour type:'''
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 ==== Ammunition ====
 * '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}
 * '''DM51A1:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}
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 * High rate of fire
 * Amphibious
 '''Cons:'''
 * Low survivability
 * Slow speed in water
-* Low ammo count
+* Engine turbine is loud and can give away the vehicle's position
 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-Development of the Type 73 APC started in 1967 as a replacement for the Type 60 APC (chassis of the [[Type 60 ATM]]). Four prototypes were made during the development, two from Mitsubishi (SUB-I-I and SUB-I-II) and two from Komatsu (SUB-II-I and SUB-II-II). The 20 mm Rh202 version got rejected at last.
+[[wt:en/news/7997-development-sub-i-ii-speed-and-bite-en|'''Devblog''']]
 == Media ==
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 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+Vehicles of similar configuration
-* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
+* [[AMX-10P]]
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* [[Marder A1-]]
 == External links ==

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
 The SUB-I-II has no notable armour. It is dangerous to stand in the open without cover, as the SPAA can be penetrated by any tank or plane. The survivability of this SPAA is very low if any enemy has a direct line of sight on it.
 '''Armour type:'''
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+!
 |-
 | Cupola || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 10 mm (spherical) ''Base'' <br> 15 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 15 mm
 |-
 |}
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 The SUB-I-II has a modest top reverse speed in RB of -12 km/h so bear that in mind when choosing a good spot to shoot from.
-{{tankMobility|abMinHp=426|rbMinHp=265}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=497|rbMinHp=310}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
 {{main|Rh202 (20 mm)}}
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 800 (100) || rowspan="2" | 800 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+80° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
+| rowspan="2" | 800 (100) || rowspan="2" | 800 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+80° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 52.8 || 73.1 || 88.8 || 98.2 || 104.5 || rowspan="2" | 10.40 || rowspan="2" | 9.20 || rowspan="2" | 8.48 || rowspan="2" | 8.00
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
+| 35.7 || 42.0 || 51.0 || 56.4 || 60.0
 |-
 |}
 ==== Ammunition ====
 * '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}
 * '''DM51A1:''' {{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HVAP-T|High-velocity armour-piercing tracer}}
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 <!-- ''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.'' -->
 {{main|M1919A4 (7.62 mm)}}
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| || ___ (___) || ___ || __° || __°
+| Hull || 1,000 (250) || 500 || ±10° || ±10°
 |-
 |}
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-When hunting for planes, the SUB-I-II should always have some sort of cover to hide behind in case a plane retaliates. When shooting, you should also be mindful of the gun overheating and use all of the rounds in the belt as the SUB-I-II has only 800 rounds at most. If possible, try to remain near a friendly capture point to restock on ammo belts when they run out because the main canon can shoot at 800 rpm.
+When hunting for planes, the SUB-I-II should always have some sort of cover to hide behind in case a plane retaliates. When shooting, you should also be mindful of the gun overheating and use all of the rounds in the belt as the SUB-I-II has only 800 rounds at most. If possible, try to remain near a friendly capture point to restock on ammo belts when they run out because the main cannon can shoot at 800 rpm.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Can penetrate some medium tanks from the side
 '''Cons:'''
 * Low survivability

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a prototype for the Type 73 APC meant to replace the smaller [[Type 60 ATM|Type 60 APC]]. Going through multiple prototypes, this particular version was tested with a [[Rh202 (20 mm)]] as a self-defense and anti-air cannon, though this armament would not see use in the final version.
-It was introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]]. The SUB-I-II provides an excellent fire rate with the possibility of an APDS belt in an amphibious yet squishy APC hull only offering up to 20 mm of armour.
+It was introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]]. The SUB-I-II provides an excellent fire rate with the possibility of an APDS belt in an amphibious yet squishy APC hull only offering up to 20 mm of armour. As such, if positioned correctly against a suitable target, the {{PAGENAME}} can utilize the APDS autocannon to shred their opponent apart.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a prototype for the Type 73 APC meant to replace the smaller [[Type 60 ATM|Type 60 APC]]. Going through multiple prototypes, this particular version was tested with a [[Rh202 (20 mm)]] as a self-defense and anti-air cannon.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a prototype for the Type 73 APC meant to replace the smaller [[Type 60 ATM|Type 60 APC]]. Going through multiple prototypes, this particular version was tested with a [[Rh202 (20 mm)]] as a self-defense and anti-air cannon, though this armament would not see use in the final version.
 It was introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]]. The SUB-I-II provides an excellent fire rate with the possibility of an APDS belt in an amphibious yet squishy APC hull only offering up to 20 mm of armour.