SU-85A - Revision history

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U44629479: Added About template

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U38088265: /* Ammunition */

2022-09-28T11:24:23Z

‎Ammunition

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Updated

2022-09-28T10:54:54Z

‎Ammunition: Updated

U75945355: /* Pros and cons */

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U38088265: /* Main armament */

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‎Main armament

U38088265: /* Ammunition */

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 * '''O-365K''': HE; a high-explosive shell useful for destroying open and lightly armoured vehicles.
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:D-5S (85 mm)/Ammunition|BR-365K, BR-365A, BR-365P, O-365K}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

← Older revision		Revision as of 05:44, 6 December 2022
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		+	{{About
		+	\| about = Soviet tank destroyer '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
		+	\| and
		+	\| usage = the SPGs with an enclosed superstructure
		+	\| link-1 = SU-85
		+	\| link-2 = SU-85M
		+	}}
	{{Specs-Card		{{Specs-Card
	\|code=ussr_su_85a		\|code=ussr_su_85a

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 '''Pros:'''
-* 85mm D5-S cannon is powerful against common tanks like [[M4A2]], [[Cromwell V|Cromwell]], [[Pz.IV G|Pz.IV]]
+* 85 mm D5-S cannon is powerful against common tanks like [[M4A2]], [[Cromwell V|Cromwell]], [[Pz.IV G|Pz.IV]]
 * Relatively small target / low silhouette
 * Great variety of ammunition to deal with all types of opponents
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 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-While working to develop an SPG that could vie with the most modern German tanks, the designers in the GAZ design bureau came up with a simple plan: take the SU-76M, the production of which had already been mastered, and create a new, more powerful weapon based on it. The project was developed with two 85mm cannons, the D-5S and the S-53S. The version with the D-5S ended up being built for testing purposes, and the vehicle came to be called the SU-85A. During testing it became clear that the recoil of the powerful cannon was too great for a light SPG, which led the engineers to install a new gun and upgrade the defensive characteristics of their creation. However, by 1945 the modernized vehicle known as the SU-85B had become decidedly out of date, and the military decided to cancel the project.
+While working to develop an SPG that could vie with the most modern German tanks, the designers in the GAZ design bureau came up with a simple plan: take the SU-76M, the production of which had already been mastered, and create a new, more powerful weapon based on it. The project was developed with two 85 mm cannons, the D-5S and the S-53S. The version with the D-5S ended up being built for testing purposes, and the vehicle came to be called the SU-85A. During testing it became clear that the recoil of the powerful cannon was too great for a light SPG, which led the engineers to install a new gun and upgrade the defensive characteristics of their creation. However, by 1945 the modernized vehicle known as the SU-85B had become decidedly out of date, and the military decided to cancel the project.
 ''- From [[wt:en/news/5964-development-su-85a-premium-spg-en|Devblog]]''
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=ussr&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=ussr_su_85a Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ussr_su_85a Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[SU-76M]] / [[SU-76M (China)]] / [[SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps)]]
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[90/53 M41M]]
 * [[Pvkv m/43 (1946)]]
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 <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->

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 {{Specs-Card
 |code=ussr_su_85a
-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
 |market=SU-85A (USSR)
 }}

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 | BR-365A || APHEBC || 135 || 133 || 124 || 114 || 104 || 95
 |-
-| BR-365P || APCR || 195 || 187 || 154 || 120 || 96 || 76
+| BR-365P || APCR || 195 || 187 || 154 || 122 || 96 || 76
 |-
 | O-365K || HE || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11

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 | BR-365K || APHE || 148 || 143 || 126 || 106 || 90 || 77
 |-
-| BR-365A || APHEBC || 135 || 133 || 125 || 115 || 106 || 97
+| BR-365A || APHEBC || 135 || 133 || 124 || 114 || 104 || 95
 |-
-| BR-365P || APCR || 195 || 187 || 154 || 120 || 94 || 74
+| BR-365P || APCR || 195 || 187 || 154 || 120 || 96 || 76
 |-
-| O-365K || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
+| O-365K || HE || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11
 |-
 |}
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 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
 ! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
+! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>mass (kg)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
+! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 ! colspan="3" | Ricochet
 |-
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 | BR-365P || APCR || 1,050 || 4.99 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
 |-
-| O-365K || HE || 793 || 9.54 || 0 || 0.1 || 660 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| O-365K || HE || 793 || 9.54 || 0 || 0.1 || 741 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
 |}
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 * [[wt:en/news/5964-development-su-85a-premium-spg-en|[Devblog] SU-85A Premium SPG]]
 {{USSR tank destroyers}}
 {{USSR premium ground vehicles}}
 {{Winter Event}}

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Powerful 85mm D5-S cannon at a low rank
+* 85mm D5-S cannon is powerful against common tanks like [[M4A2]], [[Cromwell V|Cromwell]], [[Pz.IV G|Pz.IV]]
 * Relatively small target / low silhouette
-* Great choices of ammunition to deal with all opponents
+* Great variety of ammunition to deal with all types of opponents
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Open-topped (often strafed by planes)
 * Crew is grouped tightly together - A penetrating shot that does not result in ammunition or fuel detonation will likely incapacitate several crew members.
 == History ==

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 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 42 || rowspan="2" | -4°/+18° || rowspan="2" | ±8.5° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 6.2 || 8.5 ||10.4||11.5|| 12.2 || rowspan="2" | 9.62 || rowspan="2" |8.51|| rowspan="2" |7.84|| rowspan="2" | 7.40
+| rowspan="2" | 42 || rowspan="2" | -4°/+18° || rowspan="2" | ±8° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 6.2 || 8.5 || 10.4 || 11.5 || 12.2 || rowspan="2" | 9.62 || rowspan="2" | 8.51 || rowspan="2" | 7.84 || rowspan="2" | 7.40
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| 4.1 || 4.9 ||6.0||6.6|| 7.0
+| 4.2 || 4.9 || 6.0 || 6.6 || 7.0
 |-
 |}

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 == Description ==
-<!--In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.-->
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. This vehicle was introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]] and offered as a reward during the [[wt:en/news/5962-special-festive-quest-en|2018 Festive Quest]] event.
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 * There is an additional inner wall (10 mm thick) on the right side separating the radiator from the crew compartment.
 Like the [[SU-76M]] it derives from, the {{PAGENAME}}'s armour leaves a lot to be desired. The chassis itself is loosely based off of the light tanks T-70 and T-80. As a result, the lower frontal plate is 30 mm RHA, the upper plate and front of the crew compartment is 25 mm RHA, and the gun mantlet is 35 mm. There is a relatively small additional armour plate (25 mm) that is welded onto the upper frontal plate in front of the engines to give them slightly better protection. The sides and rear are 15 mm (hull) and 10 mm (crew compartment), making this vehicle vulnerable to heavy machine gunfire. This vehicle is also open-topped, making it a prime target for fighters looking to strafe an easy kill. All in all, this vehicle is the embodiment of a "glass cannon", unable to defend itself from anything but perhaps a glancing blow.
 At its battle rating where one of the most common ammunition type used is APHE or APCBC, this vehicle has abysmal survivability. In most cases, the armour is just thick enough to arm the fuse in these shells- With a large fuel tank, lots of ammunition, and a crew packed into such a tight space, it is likely the shell will do crippling damage or knock the tank out with a single hit.
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 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 199|rbMinHp= 124}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=199|rbMinHp=124}}
 Based on the chassis of the SU-76M, the {{PAGENAME}} benefits from the same average mobility: it accelerates rather slowly but steadily and is able to reach a maximum speed of 43 km/h in a dozen of seconds. Braking happens quickly but the hull briefly wobbles afterwards, delaying your targeting process. The lack of neutral steering makes turning on the spot slow (3 km/h): make sure to build a little speed before turning and you'll turn much faster (10 km/h). The reverse speed is poor: it will not get you out of a dangerous situation quickly. The {{PAGENAME}} reaches 11 km/h when fording and 11 km/h when driving uphill. The tracks will grant you a decent mobility on hard terrain (solid ground, roads) but a slightly poorer mobility on soft terrain (mud, snow, sand). Light and medium obstacles (fences, posts, bushes and small trees) are not a problem but large obstacles (trees, concrete blocks and parked vehicles) will hinder your mobility: avoid them.
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 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
+! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 |-
 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
 | BR-365K || APHE || 148 || 143 || 126 || 106 || 90 || 77
 |-
 | BR-365A || APHEBC || 135 || 133 || 125 || 115 || 106 || 97
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 |-
 | O-365K || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
 |-
 |}
 {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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 |-
 | BR-365K || APHE || 792 || 9.2 || 1.2 || 14 || 73.92 || 47° || 60° || 65°
 |-
 | BR-365A || APHEBC || 792 || 9.2 || 1.2 || 14 || 164 || 48° || 63° || 71°
 |-
 | BR-365P || APCR || 1,050 || 4.99 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
 |-
-| O-365K || HE || 793 || 9.54 || 0.1 || 0.3 || 660 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| O-365K || HE || 793 || 9.54 || 0 || 0.1 || 660 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
 |}
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 == Usage in battles ==
-<!--Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).-->
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-In Tank realistic battles, this vehicle plays best from the sidelines in a support role. It does not possess the speed to rush anywhere, even if it is not slow. It does not have the ability to take a hit without enduring crippling damage. It can hide behind walls and relatively low cover and remain hidden where a taller light or medium tank would likely be spotted. Its gun is superior to other guns at its BR range, such as American short 75 and 76 mm guns commonly found on Shermans and German 75 mm guns found on Panzer IV's. As such, the SU-85A can typically penetrate most tanks it battles against through their frontal armour out to distances in excess of a kilometre.
+In realistic battles, this vehicle plays best from the sidelines in a support role. It does not possess the speed to rush anywhere, even if it is not slow. It does not have the ability to take a hit without enduring crippling damage. It can hide behind walls and relatively low cover and remain hidden where a taller light or medium tank would likely be spotted. Its gun is superior to other guns at its BR range, such as American short 75 and 76 mm guns commonly found on Shermans and German 75 mm guns found on Panzer IV's. As such, the SU-85A can typically penetrate most tanks it battles against through their frontal armour out to distances in excess of a kilometre.
 === Pros and cons ===
-<!--Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".-->
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Armor is not thick enough to protect the crew from much of anything, making the vehicle a "glass cannon".
+* Armour is not thick enough to protect the crew from much of anything, making the vehicle a "glass cannon".
-* Open-topped (Often strafed by planes)
+* Open-topped (often strafed by planes)
 * Crew is grouped tightly together - A penetrating shot that does not result in ammunition or fuel detonation will likely incapacitate several crew members.