SU-5-1 - Revision history

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‎Pros and cons

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U108186769: I have added another pros stating that it has excellent one shotting abilities because it has 150 grams of he filler in its stock aphe round.

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I have added another pros stating that it has excellent one shotting abilities because it has 150 grams of he filler in its stock aphe round.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]].
+The '''SU-5-1''' was a Soviet experimental self-propelled artillery mount. It was created in 1934 as part of the "small triplex" programme - a project to develop a series of artillery mounts on a unified chassis, which, according to its authors, should have solved the entire spectrum of tasks set before the army. The chassis for the SU-5 series was based on the [[T-26]] tank model of 1933, production of which was well-established. Within the framework of the programme, three variants of self-propelled mounts were manufactured, differing mainly only in armament: the SU-5-2 with a 122 mm howitzer, SU-5-3 with a 152 mm mortar and the junior vehicle in the series - SU-5-1 with a 76 mm divisional gun 1902/30. As a result of testing, the SU-5-1 showed unsatisfactory results, and it was decided to replace it with the AT-1 SPG. Ultimately, only a single SU-5-1 was manufactured, it did not go into serial production and did not participate in combat operations.
-The SU-5-1 is a crude SPG built off the T-26 chassis. The T-26 chassis of the SU-5-1 allows it to place itself with relative ease on any spot on the map. The high gun shield can lure the enemy into firing too high, missing the crew. If a hit goes into the body, with a bit of luck, APHE ammo will not detonate on contact and instead go straight through, leaving little spalling damage. The vehicle's crew of 5 will allow some casualties before the loss of efficiency.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]], the SU-5-1 differentiates itself with an extremely powerful gun for its rank, capable of destroying any enemy with one hit even at long range, but this advantage is offset by the vehicle's extremely low survivability and small ammunition capacity. The T-26 chassis allows it to place itself with relative ease on any spot on the map. The high gun shield can lure the enemy into firing too high, missing the crew. If a hit goes into the body, with a bit of luck, APHE ammo will not detonate on contact and instead go straight through, leaving little spalling damage.
 == General info ==

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 * Somewhat low shell speeds means it's hard to land a shot on a moving target
 * Average gun depression of -5°
 == History ==

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{{:1902/30 (76 mm)/Ammunition|BR-350A (MD-5 fuze), BR-350SP, OF-350M, Sh-354T}}
+{{:1902/30 (76 mm)/Ammunition|BR-350A (MD-5 fuze), BR-350SP, OF-350M}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:1902/30 (76 mm)/Ammunition|BR-350A (MD-5 fuze), BR-350SP, OF-350M, Sh-354T}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|sS7fOV2UGH4|'''Community Choice, SU-5-1. Putting the record straight''' - ''Joseph 2000''|wwmY3WG5IRY|'''SU-5-1 Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|_KkCsRzeh-A|'''A Meme Gone Too Far - ☭SU-5-1 Tank Destroyer''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|sS7fOV2UGH4|'''Community Choice, SU-5-1. Putting the record straight''' - ''Joseph 2000''|_KkCsRzeh-A|'''A Meme Gone Too Far - ☭SU-5-1 Tank Destroyer''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}
 == See also ==

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 * Belly armour is 6 mm thick.
-Given the very thin armour on the hull and gun shield, this vehicle is a textbook example of a glass cannon. The T-26 chassis has mobility, but due to the top and back having no armour, stray artillery strikes can easily decimate the crew members. The SU-5-1's all-round armour protection, being around 15 mm, is inadequate against anything other than rifle-calibre bullets. Any cannon is able to easily tear through the thin sheet of metal and hurt the crew/modules inside. Moreover, any flanking light tank and strafing aircraft poses a paramount threat to the {{PAGENAME}}, since a short spray of their machine gun could knock your crew out. It is recommended to take positions where you do not have to rely on your armor.
+Given the very thin armour on the hull and gun shield, this vehicle is a textbook example of a glass cannon. The T-26 chassis has mobility, but due to the top and back having no armour, stray artillery strikes can easily decimate the crew members. The SU-5-1's all-round armour protection, being around 15 mm, is inadequate against anything other than rifle-calibre bullets. Any cannon is able to easily tear through the thin sheet of metal and hurt the crew/modules inside. Moreover, any flanking light tank and strafing aircraft poses a paramount threat to the {{PAGENAME}}, since a short spray of their machine gun could knock your crew out. It is recommended to take positions where you do not have to rely on your armour.
 === Mobility ===
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 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=128|rbMinHp=80}}
-The SU-5-1 has unsatisfactory mobility, sharing the chassis with [[T-26-4]] and all of its poor drive characteristics. Its average speed on hard surfaces is only ~25 km/h, with very sluggish acceleration due to the weak engine, meaning it will be left behind by pretty much every other unit. This includes other low-BR SPGs, so taking the most attractive positions will be tricky. The top speed is also low, meaning it struggles in both short-range and long-range manoeuvres. The SU-5-1 is sufficiently mobile enough to climb hills or traverse muddy terrain, but will do so really slowly. Its hull traverse is also very slow, which makes it difficult to respond to flankers. It's reverse speed is slow too, at -5 km/h, is not ideal. Properly playing the SU-5-1 takes patience and a thourough understanding of the map.
+The SU-5-1 has unsatisfactory mobility, sharing the chassis with [[T-26-4]] and all of its poor drive characteristics. Its average speed on hard surfaces is only ~25 km/h, with very sluggish acceleration due to the weak engine, meaning it will be left behind by pretty much every other unit. This includes other low-BR SPGs, so taking the most attractive positions will be tricky. The top speed is also low, meaning it struggles in both short-range and long-range manoeuvres. The SU-5-1 is sufficiently mobile enough to climb hills or traverse muddy terrain, but will do so really slowly. Its hull traverse is also very slow, which makes it difficult to respond to flankers. It's reverse speed is slow too, at -5 km/h, is not ideal. Properly playing the SU-5-1 takes patience and a thorough understanding of the map.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Decent penetration on stock rounds
+* Transmission in the front can absorb shots
 * Fast reload (6.5s base)
 * Good gun traverse angle
-* High crew count means it can afford to take a few shots, especially from tanks without HE filler or MG
+* Decent penetration on stock rounds
-* Transmission in the front can absorb shots (i.e. in a sniper battle, it is the "ideal" spot to be shot)
+* Good shell diversity
-* Good shell diversity (somewhat meaningless since it is recommended to fill it with APHE)
+* Potent post-penetration damage on the APHEBC round
 '''Cons:'''
 * Extremely low ammo count (8 rounds)
-* Exposed and cramped gun crew that can be destroyed with machine-gun fire, or a HE shell somewhere in the rear
+* Exposed and cramped gun crew that can be destroyed with machine gun fire, or a HE shell somewhere in the rear
-* Weak front armour, susceptible to machine guns
+* Weak front armour, susceptible to machine gun fire
 * Rather tall profile due to gun placement
 * Somewhat low shell speeds means it's hard to land a shot on a moving target
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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|sS7fOV2UGH4|'''Community Choice, {{PAGENAME}}. Putting the record straight''' - ''Joseph 2000''|wwmY3WG5IRY|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|_KkCsRzeh-A|'''A Meme Gone Too Far - ☭{{PAGENAME}} Tank Destroyer''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|sS7fOV2UGH4|'''Community Choice, SU-5-1. Putting the record straight''' - ''Joseph 2000''|wwmY3WG5IRY|'''SU-5-1 Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|_KkCsRzeh-A|'''A Meme Gone Too Far - ☭SU-5-1 Tank Destroyer''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}
 == See also ==

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 * Transmission in the front can absorb shots (i.e. in a sniper battle, it is the "ideal" spot to be shot)
 * Good shell diversity (somewhat meaningless since it is recommended to fill it with APHE)
 '''Cons:'''
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 ;Related development
 * [[T-26 (Family)]]
 ;Vehicles of comparable role, configuration and era
 * [[Panzerjager I|Panzerjäger I]]
 * [[Lorraine 37L]]

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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| BR-350A (MD-5 fuze) || APHEBC || 87 || 85 || 76 || 67 || 59 || 52
+| BR-350A (MD-5 fuze) || APHEBC || 87 || 85 || 77 || 69 || 62 || 55
 |-
-| BR-350SP || APBC || 102 || 100 || 91 || 81 || 72 || 64
+| BR-350SP || APBC || 99 || 96 || 87 || 76 || 66 || 58
 |-
 | OF-350M || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
 |-
-| Sh-354T || Shrapnel || 37 || 35 || 29 || 25 || 20 || 17
+| Sh-354T || Shrapnel || 35 || 34 || 30 || 26 || 22 || 19
 |-
 |}
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 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
 ! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
+! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>mass (kg)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
+! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 ! colspan="3" | Ricochet
 |-
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 | BR-350A (MD-5 fuze) || APHEBC || 662 || 6.3 || 1.2 || 14 || 150 || 48° || 63° || 71°
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-| BR-350SP || APBC || 655 || 6.78 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
+| BR-350SP || APBC || 655 || 6.5 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
 |-
 | OF-350M || HE || 680 || 6.2 || 0.05 || 0.1 || 621 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
-| Sh-354T || Shrapnel || 680 || 6.2 || 0.5 || 8 || 85 || 62° || 69° || 73°
+| Sh-354T || Shrapnel || 618 || 6.44 || 1.2 || 14 || 85 || 62° || 69° || 73°
 |-
 |}

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 |code=ussr_su_5_1
-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
 }}

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 '''Notes:'''
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 {{main|1902/30 (76 mm)}}
-The 76 mm 1902/30 cannon has above average horizontal guidance for this SPG of ±15°, allowing the SU-5-1 to fight without traversing the hull too much. The stock BR-350A APHEBC shell is able to frontally penetrate and take out pretty much any target it encounters with a single shot like the [[Pz.IV C]], the [[Chi-Ha (Family)|Chi-Ha]] or the [[M13/40 (III)]], making the SU-5-1 a capable tank destroyer. The large explosive filler also means that if the shot is not placed well enough (eg. hitting the very edge of crew compartment instead of dead centre) it is still more than likely to knock out most of the crew members with the post-penetration explosion, which is less precision-demanding and more beginner-friendly. A similar gun can be found on the [[KV-1 (L-11)]], being a great testament to the staying power and the capability of this gun. The gun slewing speed is adequate to keep track of targets with moderate speed, but will struggle against fast targets like the [[AS 42]], especially if they are up close. The reload time is quite decent for the gun's power.
+The 76 mm 1902/30 cannon has above average horizontal guidance for this SPG of ±15°, allowing the SU-5-1 to fight without traversing the hull too much. The stock BR-350A APHEBC shell is able to frontally penetrate and take out pretty much any target it encounters with a single shot like the [[Pz.IV C]], the [[Chi-Ha (Family)|Chi-Ha]] or the [[M13/40 (III)]], making the SU-5-1 a capable tank destroyer. The large explosive filler also means that if the shot is not placed well enough (e.g. hitting the very edge of crew compartment instead of dead centre) it is still more than likely to knock out most of the crew members with the post-penetration explosion, which is less precision-demanding and more beginner-friendly. A similar gun can be found on the [[KV-1 (L-11)]], being a great testament to the staying power and the capability of this gun. The gun slewing speed is adequate to keep track of targets with moderate speed, but will struggle against fast targets like the [[AS 42]], especially if they are up close. The reload time is quite decent for the gun's power.
 The biggest and most noticeable drawback of the SU-5-1's armament, however, is the extremely limited ammunition capacity of only 8 rounds. While most players are likely to die before they can fire all of that, this can be a serious issue if one manages to survive long enough and has no friendly capture points nearby. As such, the player must make every shot count. Another disadvantage is the below-average gun depression of -5°, which means that the SU-5-1 may have difficulties taking certain positions behind or on top of hills.
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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
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