SU-122P - Revision history

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:D-25S (122 mm)/Ammunition|BR-471, BR-471B, BR-471D, OF-471}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 Trials of the new tank destroyer, called the SU-122P, began in October 1944. Afterwards, it was sent to Government trials, passing all of them. It was recommended for service, but it never entered production, partially because of the long reload time of the 122 mm gun.
-=== In-game description ===
+{{break}}
 A new SPG, designated SU-122P, was designed in the spring of 1944. Its designers attempted to fit the previously developed SU-100 SPG with a powerful 122 mm D-25S cannon with the aim of increasing the SPG's firepower. Outwardly, this SPG differed from the SU-100 in that its barrel was longer and had a muzzle brake.
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 Only 1 experimental SU-122P SPG was produced.
 == Media ==

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 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
+! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 |-
 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| BR-471 || APHE || 205 || 201 || 183 || 162 || 144 || 128
+| BR-471 || APHE || 205 || 201 || 182 || 161 || 143 || 127
 |-
-| BR-471B || APHEBC || 205 || 203 || 191 || 178 || 166 || 155
+| BR-471B || APHEBC || 205 || 203 || 192 || 178 || 166 || 155
 |-
 | BR-471D || APCBC || 230 || 227 || 215 || 200 || 186 || 173
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 | BR-471D || APCBC || 800 || 25 || 1.2 || 19 || 192.5 || 48° || 63° || 71°
 |-
-| OF-471 || HE || 800 || 25 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 3,600 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| OF-471 || HE || 795 || 25 || N/A || 0.1 || 3,600 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
 |}

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 The armour and survivability of the SU-122P is poor. At its BR, the 75 mm sloped upper front plate is very much useless as most opponents you face have more than 150 mm of penetration which is more than enough to go through your front. You will also more frequently see tanks firing HEAT shells (eg. [[ST-A1]], [[T114]]) who can just ignore your armour. The side armour is non existent. The only vehicles that cannot frontally penetrate you are SPAA (eg. [[M42 (Family)|M42]], [[Kugelblitz]]) and lower tier tanks. These vehicles are however quite rare, and often the foes will not struggle to penetrate you.
-Post-penetration survivability is bad, since the interior of the SU-122P is cramped and the crew members are closely sat. Late-war/Cold War heavy tanks/tank destroyers (eg. [[T30]], [[Maus]]) usually fire explosive-packed large-calibre APHE which can always one-shot you easily. However enemies with HEAT shells might take a few more shots to finish you as the damage of HEAT are lower.
+Post-penetration survivability is bad, since the interior of the SU-122P is cramped and the crew members are closely sat. Late-war/Cold War heavy tanks/tank destroyers (eg. [[T30]]) usually fire explosive-packed large-calibre APHE which can always one-shot you easily. However enemies with HEAT shells might take a few more shots to finish you as the damage of HEAT are lower.
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || 75 mm (52°) ''Front glacis''
+| Hull || 75 mm (52°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 45 mm (60°) ''Lower glacis'' || 45 mm ''Bottom'' || 45 mm (48°) || 20 mm <br> 20 + 10 mm ''Engine vents''
 |-
-| Superstructure || 75 mm (52°) ''Front glacis''
+| Superstructure || 75 mm (52°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 70 mm (52°) ''Driver's hatch'' <br> 75 + 100 mm (spherical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 45 mm (18-41°) ''Top'' || 45 mm || 20 mm
 |-
 | Cupola || colspan="3" | 45 mm || 20 mm
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 |}
-'''Notes:''' <!-- Any additional notes which the user needs to be aware of -->
+'''Notes:'''
-<!-- Example: * Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick, tracks are 30 mm thick, and torsion bars are 60 mm thick. -->
+* Suspension wheels and tracks are 20 mm thick.
 === Mobility ===
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 {{main|D-25S (122 mm)}}
-The SU-122P is equipped with a classic 122 mm D-25S cannon that is very capable even against Cold War vehicles. At this rank, the player should feel comfortable with the long reload of such gun and should master its ballistics and shell velocity. Plus the reload of ~18 seconds is much shorter than earlier tanks with 122 mm guns. If every shell counts, the 122 mm cannon is a very deadly terminator. The recommended ammo is of course the BR-471B and BR-471D. The former is a perfect option against late-WW2 vehicles such as [[Panther II]], [[M26 (Family)|M26]], etc, while the latter is more for super-heavy/Cold War tanks like the [[Tortoise]], [[Caernarvon]], [[T30]], etc. These shells all have great post-penetration damage and thus can generally one-shot most opponents.
+The SU-122P is equipped with a classic 122 mm D-25S cannon that is very capable even against Cold War vehicles. At this rank, the player should feel comfortable with the long reload of such gun and should master its ballistics and shell velocity. Plus the reload of ~18 seconds is much shorter than earlier tanks with 122 mm guns. If every shell counts, the 122 mm cannon is a very deadly terminator. The recommended ammo is of course the BR-471B and BR-471D. The former is a perfect option against late-WW2 vehicles such as [[Panther II]], [[M26 (Family)|M26]], etc, while the latter is more for super-heavy/Cold War tanks like the [[Tortoise]], [[T30]], etc. These shells all have great post-penetration damage and thus can generally one-shot most opponents.
 This fantastic firepower is somewhat limited by the gun's aiming speed and traverse angles. The horizontal aiming speed of around 6 degree/s is somewhat enough for medium range engagements but will feel slow in close range battle against fast tanks like the [[M41 (Family)|M41]] and [[AUBL/74]]. The vertical targeting speed is much slower, and the gun depression of only -2 degrees makes it one of the worst vehicle in game at fighting in sloped terrains. A tiny hill will lift the nozzle up from the target. Finally, the gunsight zoom remains the same 3.5x which is just enough for medium range combat.
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 |}
 == Usage in battles ==
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 ==== Specific Enemies Worth Noting ====
-* ☠ [[T32]] - You have to go for the MG port in the lower left of the UFP, otherwise you can only penetrate the side armour or the rear.
+* [[T28]] - You can only penetrate the cupolas on top of the tank. If they're hidden or you are unsure about the shot, you can try hitting the cannon barrel and running away.
 * [[T34]] / [[T29]] - Turret cheeks can work, although it's best to go for the LFP because the ammo storage is very low in the tank. If you don't see the LFP, try going just below the turret ring, where the driver sits.
 * [[Tiger II (H)]] / [[Panther II]] - You can easily penetrate the turret cheeks with BR-471B.
-* [[Panther tank (Family)|Panther]] [[Panther D|D]], [[Panther A|A]], [[Panther G|G]], [[Panther F|F]] - You can penetrate the UFP
+* [[Ferdinand]] - Go for the angled armour at the sides of the lower front plate (below the casemate, but above the lowest plates), this will disable Ferdinand's engine and/or driver, so you can flank and finish it off.
 * [[Tortoise]] - Shoot to the right of the gun of the Tortoise, when you see it head-on if shoot on the left plate there is a chance of a one-shot
-* [[AMX-50 Surbaissé]] - Go for the LFP.
+* [[Ho-Ri Production]] - You cannot reliably penetrate or damage this tank frontally. You can try disabling the cannon barrel and then flanking is your best option (or running).
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* One of the fastest reloading Russian 122 mm cannon
+* One of the fastest reloading Soviet vehicles equipped with a 122 mm cannon
-* The D-25S cannon is more than enough to completely destroy almost anything its shells connect with
+* The D-25S cannon is more than enough to completely destroy almost anything its shells penetrate
 * Quicker and more agile than the ISU-122
 * Smaller target than the ISU-122
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Very poor gun depression of -2°
+* Very poor gun depression
-* Obsolete armor thickness, can easily be penetrated
+* Limited gun traverse
-* Costly to acquire (6,090 GE)
+* Obsolete armour thickness, can easily be penetrated
 * Reload time is still more than twice as long as its usual opposition
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 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 == See also ==
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
-* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
+;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* [[SU-122]]
 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''
 {{USSR tank destroyers}}
 {{USSR premium ground vehicles}}

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 === Survivability and armour ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
-''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''
+<!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-The armour and survivability of the SU-122P is poor. At its BR, the 75mm sloped upper front plate is very much useless as most opponents you face have mroe than 150mm of penetration which is more than enough to go through your front. You will also more frequently see tanks firing HEAT shells (eg. [[ST-A1]], [[T114]]) who can just ignore your armour. The side armour is non existent. The only vehicles that cannot frontally penetrate you are SPAA (eg. [[M42 (Family)|M42]], [[Kugelblitz]]) and low tier tanks (eg. [[M24 (Family)|M24]], [[Pz.III (Disambiguation)|Pz.III]]) if the opponent is a new player with only one premium high tier tank. These vehicles are however quite rare, and most of the times the foes will not struggle a bit to penetrate you.
+The armour and survivability of the SU-122P is poor. At its BR, the 75 mm sloped upper front plate is very much useless as most opponents you face have more than 150 mm of penetration which is more than enough to go through your front. You will also more frequently see tanks firing HEAT shells (eg. [[ST-A1]], [[T114]]) who can just ignore your armour. The side armour is non existent. The only vehicles that cannot frontally penetrate you are SPAA (eg. [[M42 (Family)|M42]], [[Kugelblitz]]) and lower tier tanks. These vehicles are however quite rare, and often the foes will not struggle to penetrate you.
-Post-penetration survivability is bad, since the interior of the SU-122P is cramped and the crew members are closely sat. Late-war/cold war heavy tanks/tank destroyers (eg. [[T30]], [[Maus]]) usually fire explosive-packed large-caliber APHE which can always one-shot you easily. However enemies with HEAT shells might take a few more shots to finish you as the damage of HEAT are lower.
+Post-penetration survivability is bad, since the interior of the SU-122P is cramped and the crew members are closely sat. Late-war/Cold War heavy tanks/tank destroyers (eg. [[T30]], [[Maus]]) usually fire explosive-packed large-calibre APHE which can always one-shot you easily. However enemies with HEAT shells might take a few more shots to finish you as the damage of HEAT are lower.
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || 75 mm (52°) ''Front glacis''
+| Hull || 75 mm (52°) ''Front glacis''
-mm (60°) ''Lower glacis''
+mm (60°) ''Lower glacis''
 | 45 mm (0°) ''Bottom'' || 45 mm (48°) || 20 mm
-+ 10 mm ''Engine vents''
++ 10 mm ''Engine vents''
 |-
-| Superstructure || 75 mm (52°) ''Front glacis''
+| Superstructure || 75 mm (52°) ''Front glacis''
-mm (52°) ''Driver's hatch''
+mm (52°) ''Driver's hatch''
-+ 100 mm (spherical) ''Gun mantlet''
++ 100 mm (spherical) ''Gun mantlet''
 | 45 mm (18-41°) ''Top'' || 45 mm (0°) || 20 mm
 |-
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 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-{{tankMobility|abMinHp=710|rbMinHp=442}}The mobility of the SU-122P is on par with average medium tanks/tank destroyers at similar BR (eg. [[T-44]], [[T25]]). While the top speed is 50 km/h, the average speed on common terrains (eg. grassland, dirt) is around ~30km/h, which is usually enough to keep up with advancing teammates. The acceleration on soft surface or on a hill might feel sluggish, though. Hull traverse rate is adequate on all types of terrain, but a slight forward jerk might be required if the player wants to turn the hull quicker. The reverse speed is very slow at only -8 km/h while other late-war.cold war vehicles are much faster. All in all, the SU-122P is not the fasterst nor the most agile vehicle, but it will get to the places it needs to go in time.
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=710|rbMinHp=442}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 {{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
-{{main|D-25S (122 mm)}}The SU-122P is equipped with a classical 122mm D-25S cannon that is very capble even against cold war vehicles. At this rank, the player should feel comfortable with the long reload of such gun and should master its ballistics and shell velocity. Plus the reload of ~18 seconds is much shorter than earlier tanks with 122mm guns. If every shell counts, the 122mm cannon is a very deadly terminator. The recommended ammo is of course the BR-471B and BR-471D. The former is a perfect option against late-WW2 vehicles such as [[Panther II]], [[M26 (Family)|M26]], etc, while the latter is more for superheavy /cold war tanks like the [[Tortoise]], [[Caernarvon]], [[T30]], etc. These shells all have great post-penetration damage and thus can always one-shot most of the opponents.
+{{main|D-25S (122 mm)}}
-This fantasitc firepower is somewhat limited by the gun's aiming speed and traverse angles. The horizontal aiming speed of around 6 degree/s is somewhat enough for medium range engagements but will feel slow in close range battle against fast tanks like the [[M41 (Family)|M41]] and [[AUBL/74]]. The vertical targeting speed is much slower, and the gun depression of only -2 degrees makes it one of the worst vehicle in game at fighting in sloped terrains. A tiny hill will lift the nozzle up from the target. Finally, the gunsight zoom remains the same 3.5x which is just enought for medium range combat.
+This fantastic firepower is somewhat limited by the gun's aiming speed and traverse angles. The horizontal aiming speed of around 6 degree/s is somewhat enough for medium range engagements but will feel slow in close range battle against fast tanks like the [[M41 (Family)|M41]] and [[AUBL/74]]. The vertical targeting speed is much slower, and the gun depression of only -2 degrees makes it one of the worst vehicle in game at fighting in sloped terrains. A tiny hill will lift the nozzle up from the target. Finally, the gunsight zoom remains the same 3.5x which is just enough for medium range combat.
 Note that since the gun is mounted towards the right side of the SU-122P, so when you aim and shoot to the left the tank will turn slightly to the right due to the huge recoil.
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