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 {{DISPLAYTITLE: SPAA Radar & Sensor Systems}}
 <!--incomplete, will need checking by someone who owns certain SPAA types, I only own Chieftain marksman.-->
 War Thunder [[Update 1.87 "Locked On"]] introduced mechanics for radars and other sensors. The new mechanics replaced an "arcade-style" lead indicator previously present, and a greater number of aircraft and SPAA vehicles which were historically equipped with radars gained access to the new features allowing for a more in-depth, realistic and a historic feel when playing them.

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 | {{Specs-Link|it_otomatic}} || [[SMA VPS-A05]]<br>(Search radar)
 |E|| [[SMA VPS-A06]]<br>(Tracking radar/<br>Passive infrared tracker)
-|K|| Both radars can fold.
+|K|| {{Annotation|Search radar can fold.|Tracking radar will always be deployed all though it used to fold with search radar}}
 |-
 | {{Specs-Link|germ_wiesel_2_adwc}} || ADAD<br>(Passive infrared search)

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 ====Radar Range Finders====
-In real life radar range finding systems were used as a simpler way of proving radar tracking like capability. Rangefinders work by calculating the distance between two objects. There are two main components of a radio rangefinder; the transmitter unit and the receiver unit. The transmitter's job is to transmit a signal, usually several hundred times a second, and then wait. If an object such as an aircraft is hit by the transmitted signals from the rangefinder they will bounce off of the aircraft and reflect back to the SPAA to be received by the receiver.
+In real life radar range finding systems were used as a simpler way of proving radar tracking like capability. Rangefinders work by calculating the distance between two objects. There are two main components of a radio rangefinder: the transmitter unit and the receiver unit. The transmitter's job is to transmit a signal, usually several hundred times a second, and then wait. If an object such as an aircraft is hit by the transmitted signals from the rangefinder they will bounce off of the aircraft and reflect back to the SPAA to be received by the receiver.
 The rangefinder's processing unit will calculate the time between when the signal was transmitted and received and use it to calculate the distance to the target. The more often the transmitters transmit, the more reflections are received giving the rangefinder an up-to-date distance to the moving aircraft. With this data, the SPAA can set fuses for self-destroying ammo, causing it to automatically explode near to where the tracked aircraft is showing to be, not requiring a direct hit, but close enough to cause damage through exploding shells. The range of information can also be used to calculate a firing lead indicator.

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 ====Radar Range Finders====
-In real life radar range finding systems were used as a simpler way of proving radar tracking like capability. Rangefinders work by calculating the distance between two objects. There are two main components of a radio rangefinder are the transmitter unit and the receiver unit. The transmitter's job is to transmit a signal, usually, several hundred times a second and then wait. If an object such as an aircraft is hit by the transmitted signals from the rangefinder they will bounce off of the aircraft and reflect back to the SPAA to be received by the receiver.
+In real life radar range finding systems were used as a simpler way of proving radar tracking like capability. Rangefinders work by calculating the distance between two objects. There are two main components of a radio rangefinder; the transmitter unit and the receiver unit. The transmitter's job is to transmit a signal, usually several hundred times a second, and then wait. If an object such as an aircraft is hit by the transmitted signals from the rangefinder they will bounce off of the aircraft and reflect back to the SPAA to be received by the receiver.
-The rangefinder's processing unit will calculate the time between when the signal was transmitted and received and use it to calculate the distance to the target. The more often the transmitters transmit, the more reflections are received giving the rangefinder an up-to-date distance to the moving aircraft. With this data, the SPAA can set fuses for self-destroying ammo causing it to automatically explode near to where the tracked aircraft is showing to be, not requiring a direct hit, but close enough to cause damage through exploding shells. The range of information can also be used to calculate a firing lead indicator.
+The rangefinder's processing unit will calculate the time between when the signal was transmitted and received and use it to calculate the distance to the target. The more often the transmitters transmit, the more reflections are received giving the rangefinder an up-to-date distance to the moving aircraft. With this data, the SPAA can set fuses for self-destroying ammo, causing it to automatically explode near to where the tracked aircraft is showing to be, not requiring a direct hit, but close enough to cause damage through exploding shells. The range of information can also be used to calculate a firing lead indicator.
-In-game radar range finders work like tracking radars, however vehicles equipped with them have no search radar, to the target must be manually identified and locked.
+In-game radar range finders work like tracking radars, however vehicles equipped with them have no search radar, so the target must be manually identified and locked.
 [[File:Rangefinder radar display.jpg|none|thumb|How radar display looks with rangefinder only. There will be no searching going on, and no passive scanning.]]

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 The sensor systems in War Thunder can be categorised into Active Radar systems and Passive Systems. Active radar systems work by transmitting radio waves at a target and detecting those which bounce back, while passive systems use a variety of techniques to allow them to carry out their job passively (i.e. without emitting anything).
-Sensor systems also differ in roles, either falling into the category of search systems or tracking systems. When activated search systems will scan the area around the SPAA and display any targets they detect on the radar display and compass. Tracking systems do not detect targets; instead, they lock on to a single target and provide information about it, as well as a firing lead indicator. Most SPAAs have both a search and tracking system allowing them to detect targets and then lock onto them. Some SPAAs however only have tracking systems; in this case, the user must manually place the crosshairs over a visible target to lock the radar onto it. It is possible for vehicles to have a mix of sensor systems. For example the [[ADATS]] has a search radar and an infrared tracking system.
+Sensor systems also differ in roles, either falling into the category of search systems or tracking systems. When activated search systems will scan the area around the SPAA and display any targets they detect on the radar display and compass. Tracking systems do not detect targets; instead, they lock on to a single target and provide information about it, as well as a firing lead indicator. Most SPAAs have both a search and tracking system allowing them to detect targets and then lock onto them. Some SPAAs however only have tracking systems; in this case, the user must manually place the crosshairs over a visible target to lock the radar onto it. It is possible for vehicles to have a mix of sensor systems. For example the [[XM1069]] has a search radar and an infrared tracking system.
 ===Active Radar===
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 Generally, due to low range of infrared tracking systems they are used on vehicles equipped with Anti-Air missiles, which can compensate for the system weaknesses. Overall, infrared tracking does seem to be slightly less accurate and reliable than radar tracking, and heavily relies on optical tracking from sniper seat. For this reason, these kinds of systems require a higher level of "targeting" on crew gunner for better turret tracking and high coordination of the player, as you have to guide very sensitive missiles towards the target as precisely as you can.
-{{Notice|The [[Stormer HVM]] has no guns, so there is no lead indicator for this vehicle. The [[ADATS]] does have a lead indicator for its infrared Tracker.}}
+{{Notice|The [[Stormer HVM]] has no guns, so there is no lead indicator for this vehicle. The [[XM1069]] does have a lead indicator for its infrared Tracker.}}
 [[File:Stormer HMV passive system lock on.jpg|none|thumb|500x400px]]
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 This error is very confusing, so being prepared is the key. To counter the error, keep your distance and aim where your radar says to, but adjust the height to one at which the plane is flying manually. Resist any attempts of the turret to follow the reticle under the ground. In case of 10.0 SAM you may fire missile at aircraft directly and hope it can intercept plane in time.
-[[File:Sensor error - ground echo.JPG|thumb|left|ADATS intercepts low flying jet. Since it's missile is extremely fast, it ignores gun reticle and just tries to hit plane with proximity missile, but it technically could fire gun and still hit a target.]]
+[[File:Sensor error - ground echo.JPG|thumb|left|An XM1069 intercepts a low-flying jet. Since its missile is extremely fast, it ignores gun reticle and just tries to hit the plane with a proximity-fused missile, but it technically could fire gun and still hit the target.]]
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 | {{Specs-Link|germ_flarakpz_1}} || SAG MPDR-16<br>(Search radar) || Thomson-CSF Domino 30<br>(Tracking radar/<br>Passive infrared tracker) || Radars can fold.
 |-
-| {{Specs-Link|germ_flarakrad}} || SAG MPDR-16<br>(Search radar) || Thomson-CSF Domino 30<br>(Tracking radar/<br>Passive infrared tracker) || Radars can fold.
+| {{Specs-Link|germ_flarakrad}} || SAG MPDR-16<br>(Search radar) || Roland<br>(Tracking radar/<br>Passive infrared tracker) || Radars can fold.
 |-
 | {{Specs-Link|germ_flakpz_I_Gepard}} || [[SAG MPDR-12]]<br>(Search radar) || SAZ pulse doppler monopulse<br>(Tracking radar) || Search radar can fold.
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 | {{Specs-Link|il_m163_vulcan}} || None || [[AN/VPS-2]]<br>(Tracking radar) || Radar cannot fold.
 |-
-| {{Specs-Link|fr_crotale_ng}} || Crotale<br>(Search radar) || Crotale<br>(Tracking radar) || Search radar can fold. Combined search and track radar with TWS capability.
+| {{Specs-Link|fr_crotale_ng}} || Crotale<br>(Search radar) || Crotale<br>(Tracking radar/<br>Passive infrared tracker) || Search radar can fold. Combined search and track radar with TWS capability.
 |-
-| {{Specs-Link|sw_crotale_ng}} || Crotale<br>(Search radar) || Crotale<br>(Tracking radar) || Search radar can fold. Combined search and track radar with TWS capability.
+| {{Specs-Link|sw_crotale_ng}} || Crotale<br>(Search radar) || Crotale<br>(Tracking radar/<br>Passive infrared tracker) || Search radar can fold. Combined search and track radar with TWS capability.
 |-
 | {{Specs-Link|sw_itpsv_90}} || [[Marconi S-400]]<br>(Search radar) || [[Marconi S-400]]<br>(Tracking radar) || Radar can fold. Combined search and track radar without TWS capability.

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 | {{Specs-Link|sw_crotale_ng}} || Crotale<br>(Search radar) || Crotale<br>(Tracking radar) || Search radar can fold. Combined search and track radar with TWS capability.
 |-
 | {{Specs-Link|us_lav_ad}} || None || LAV-AD<br>(Passive infrared tracker) || Radar cannot fold.
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 | {{Specs-Link|us_m163_vulcan}} || None || [[AN/VPS-2]]<br>(Tracking radar) || Radar cannot fold.
 |-
-| {{Specs-Link|us_m247}} || AN/APG-66<br>(Search radar) || M-247<br>(Tracking radar) || Both radars can fold.
+| {{Specs-Link|us_m247}} || M-247<br>(Search radar) || AN/APG-66<br>(Tracking radar) || Both radars can fold.
 |-
 | {{Specs-Link|il_machbet}} || None || Machbet TV/FLIR<br>(Passive infrared tracker) || Tracker is integrated in the optics.
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 | {{Specs-Link|germ_wiesel_2_adwc}} || ADAD<br>(Passive infrared search) || ADAD<br>(Passive infrared tracker) || Tracker is integrated in the optics, sensor cannot fold.
 |-
 | {{Specs-Link|cn_pgz_04a}} || CLC-1<br>(Search radar) || TV/IR tracker<br>(Passive infrared tracker) || Search radar can fold.
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 | {{Specs-Link|cn_tor_m1}} || 9K330<br>(Search radar) || 9K330<br>(Tracking radar) || Radar can fold.
 |-
-| {{Specs-Link|jp_type_87}} || AN/APG-66<br>(Search radar) || [[Gepard track]]<br>(Tracking radar) || Both radars can fold.
+| {{Specs-Link|jp_type_87}} || M-247<br>(Search radar) || [[Gepard track]]<br>(Tracking radar) || Both radars can fold.
 |-
 | {{Specs-Link|jp_type_93}} || None || LAV-AD<br>(Passive infrared tracker) || Tracker is integrated in the optics.

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 In real life radar range finding systems were used as a simpler way of proving radar tracking like capability. Rangefinders work by calculating the distance between two objects. There are two main components of a radio rangefinder are the transmitter unit and the receiver unit. The transmitter's job is to transmit a signal, usually, several hundred times a second and then wait. If an object such as an aircraft is hit by the transmitted signals from the rangefinder they will bounce off of the aircraft and reflect back to the SPAA to be received by the receiver.
-The rangefinder's processing unit will calculate the time between when the signal was transmitted and received and use it to calculate the distance to the target.  The more often the transmitters transmit, the more reflections are received giving the rangefinder an up-to-date distance to the moving aircraft. With this data, the SPAA can set fuses for self-destroying ammo causing it to automatically explode near to where the tracked aircraft is showing to be, not requiring a direct hit, but close enough to cause damage through exploding shells. The range of information can also be used to calculate a firing lead indicator.
+The rangefinder's processing unit will calculate the time between when the signal was transmitted and received and use it to calculate the distance to the target. The more often the transmitters transmit, the more reflections are received giving the rangefinder an up-to-date distance to the moving aircraft. With this data, the SPAA can set fuses for self-destroying ammo causing it to automatically explode near to where the tracked aircraft is showing to be, not requiring a direct hit, but close enough to cause damage through exploding shells. The range of information can also be used to calculate a firing lead indicator.
 In-game radar range finders work like tracking radars, however vehicles equipped with them have no search radar, to the target must be manually identified and locked.
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 This error is the most dangerous when you fire while using sniper scope, as it's often hard to see both the aircraft and ballistic solution reticle at the same time, so you may not even notice it for a while.
-Ingame, the ballistic solution is usually still correct, but your sensor thinks, that aircraft is located in another spot, thus giving you an incorrect firing angle. To counter this error, look how far and in which direction the lock-on square is separated from the actual aircraft and adjust your aim at "true aiming reticle" in opposite direction, firing to where the enemy plane would actually be.
+In-game, the ballistic solution is usually still correct, but your sensor thinks, that aircraft is located in another spot, thus giving you an incorrect firing angle. To counter this error, look how far and in which direction the lock-on square is separated from the actual aircraft and adjust your aim at "true aiming reticle" in opposite direction, firing to where the enemy plane would actually be.
 [[File:Sensor error - counter unstable lock.jpg|thumb|left|Shift gun around the reticle to compensate for wobbly radar lock indicator. Note, that the worse lock becomes, the more scope moves around.]]
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-To avoid getting this error at all, it is better to stay in high and open spot and track at range and angle comfortable for your tracking device, but it makes you more vulnerable to enemy fire, and many hostile aircrafts can attack you back while being well outside of your comfort zone, so it is safer to just get used to it.
+To avoid getting this error at all, it is better to stay in high and open spot and track at range and angle comfortable for your tracking device, but it makes you more vulnerable to enemy fire, and many hostile aircraft can attack you back while being well outside of your comfort zone, so it is safer to just get used to it.
 ===Multipath (Ground echo)===

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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 ;Videos
 {{Youtube-gallery|2NZVMgMpZSU|'''Boot Camp: Radar Systems''' - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|tcIeR_s6fp8|'''The Shooting Range #204''' - ''Tactics & Strategy'' section at 09:23 discusses the radars.|Wq9qHd_TCgk|'''The Shooting Range #184''' - ''Tactics and strategy'' section at 09:26 discusses the tactical use of radar-equipped SPAAs and the typical mistakes to avoid.|luvhoX8Ht1I|'''New anti-air defence''' - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|3BbIiDovPPk|'''The Shooting Range #139''' - ''Tactics and strategy'' section at 09:26 discusses the basics of SPAA radars.}}