SMS Von der Tann - Revision history

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-After the commissioning of the British [[HMS Invincible|''Invincible'']]-class and creation of the battlecruiser as a type of warship, the Kaiserliche Marine desired battlecruisers of their own and the Construction Office began work on unique warship that was to be the first German battlecruiser. Although Admiral Tirpitz wished to create a German version of the Invincible class, with heavy guns and light armour, he was overruled and the Von der Tann was designed with guns 22mm smaller than the British ships, but with considerably greater protection and speed, setting the trend that subsequent German battlecruisers would follow, in that they would have greater protection at the expense of lesser firepower. Due to being a pioneering design, the resulting '''SMS Von der Tann''' features several new quirks unique to any German capital ship at that time. She is the first large German warship to be powered by steam turbine, which granted her very high top speed for a capital ship of that time. In addition, she also has a peculiar staggered wing turret arrangements that allows all of her guns to be fired full boardsides and therefor saving weight, a feature that would later be featured on the [[SMS Kaiser|''Kaiser'']]-class battleship before superseded by superfiring turrets.
+After the commissioning of the British [[HMS Invincible|''Invincible'']]-class and creation of the battlecruiser as a type of warship, the Kaiserliche Marine desired battlecruisers of their own and the Construction Office began work on a unique warship that was to be the first German battlecruiser. Although Admiral Tirpitz wished to create a German version of the Invincible class, with heavy guns and light armour, he was overruled and the ''Von der Tann'' was designed with guns 22mm smaller than the British ships, but with considerably greater protection and speed, setting the trend that subsequent German battlecruisers would follow: they would have greater protection at the expense of lesser firepower. Due to being a pioneering design, the resulting '''SMS Von der Tann''' features several new quirks unique to any German capital ship at that time. She is the first large German warship to be powered by steam turbine, which granted her very high top speed for a capital ship of that time. In addition, she also has a peculiar staggered wing turret arrangement that allows all of her guns to be fired full broadsides and therefore saves weight, a feature that would later be featured on the [[SMS Kaiser|''Kaiser'']]-class battleship before being superseded by superfiring turrets.
-After spending her time bombarding British coast during the early half of the Great War, ''Von der Tann'' would participate in the Battle of Jutland between 31 May to 1 June 1916, during which she managed to sunk British battlecruiser HMS ''Indefatigable'' during the opening stage of the battle, although she suffered damage and malfunction that rendered all of her main guns inoperable. Like most of the German high sea fleet ships, ''Von der Tann'' met her end at Scapa Flow after she was scuttled to prevent the fleet from being divided between the Allied powers.
+After spending her time bombarding the British coast during the early half of the Great War, ''Von der Tann'' would participate in the Battle of Jutland between 31 May and 1 June 1916, during which she managed to sink the British battlecruiser HMS ''Indefatigable'' during the opening stage of the battle, although she suffered damage and malfunctions that rendered all of her main guns inoperable. Like most of the German high-sea fleet ships, ''Von der Tann'' met her end at Scapa Flow after she was scuttled to prevent the fleet from being divided between the Allied powers.
-Introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]]. The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the first battlecruiser on the German battlecruiser line and served as an introductory for the German battlecruiser design; being significantly faster than its peer with serviceable armour, albeit at a cost of relatively smaller main guns. Due to her staggered wing turret placements, she is capable of firing full boardside with the same firepower of her battleship counterpart [[SMS Westfalen]], which when combined with her speed and heavy secondary armaments allowed her to perform very well at closer range except against heavier battleships. Due to these qualities, Von der Tann excelled at harrassing enemy cruiser, where she is capable of outranging them while being highly resilient to their returning fire.
+Introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]], the '''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the first battlecruiser on the German battlecruiser line and serves as an introduction to the German battlecruiser design; being significantly faster than its peers with serviceable armour, albeit at a cost of relatively smaller main guns. Due to her staggered wing turret placements, she is capable of firing full broadside with the same firepower as her battleship counterpart [[SMS Westfalen]]. When combined with her speed and heavy secondary armaments, this allowed her to perform very well at closer range except against heavier battleships. Due to these qualities, ''Von der Tann'' excelled at harassing enemy cruisers, where she is capable of outranging them while being highly resilient to their returning fire.
 == General info ==

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 * ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-''Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+;Vessels of a similar role, configuration or era
-* ''reference to the series of the ship;''
+* [[HMS Invincible]]
 == External links ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German battlecruiser {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].
+After the commissioning of the British [[HMS Invincible|''Invincible'']]-class and creation of the battlecruiser as a type of warship, the Kaiserliche Marine desired battlecruisers of their own and the Construction Office began work on unique warship that was to be the first German battlecruiser. Although Admiral Tirpitz wished to create a German version of the Invincible class, with heavy guns and light armour, he was overruled and the Von der Tann was designed with guns 22mm smaller than the British ships, but with considerably greater protection and speed, setting the trend that subsequent German battlecruisers would follow, in that they would have greater protection at the expense of lesser firepower. Due to being a pioneering design, the resulting '''SMS Von der Tann''' features several new quirks unique to any German capital ship at that time. She is the first large German warship to be powered by steam turbine, which granted her very high top speed for a capital ship of that time. In addition, she also has a peculiar staggered wing turret arrangements that allows all of her guns to be fired full boardsides and therefor saving weight, a feature that would later be featured on the [[SMS Kaiser|''Kaiser'']]-class battleship before superseded by superfiring turrets.
-After the commissioning of the British Invincible class and creation of the battlecruiser as a type of warship, the Kaiserliche Marine desired battlecruisers of their own and the Construction Office began work on unique warship that was to be the first German battlecruiser. Although Tirpitz wished to create a German version of the Invincible class, with heavy guns and light armour, he was overruled and the Von der Tann was designed with guns 22mm smaller than the British ships, but with considerably greater protection, setting the trend that subsequent German battlecruisers would follow, in that they would have greater protection at the expense of lesser firepower.
+After spending her time bombarding British coast during the early half of the Great War, ''Von der Tann'' would participate in the Battle of Jutland between 31 May to 1 June 1916, during which she managed to sunk British battlecruiser HMS ''Indefatigable'' during the opening stage of the battle, although she suffered damage and malfunction that rendered all of her main guns inoperable. Like most of the German high sea fleet ships, ''Von der Tann'' met her end at Scapa Flow after she was scuttled to prevent the fleet from being divided between the Allied powers.
 == General info ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German battlecruiser {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].
 == General info ==

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 {{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}}
 <!-- ''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.'' -->
-Being a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann features superior mobility compared to battleships. Though still slower than the majority of cruisers, getting around the map will not be a problem for her.
+Being a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann features superior mobility compared to battleships of the time, though the ship is only a first generation battlecruiser and thus is still slower than the majority of cruisers in the game.
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 {{main|283 mm/45 SK L/45 (283 mm)}}
-The Von der Tann features eight 283 mm SK L/45 cannons arranged in four twin turrets. While the ship's left and right turrets appear to be obstructed by lifeboats in your hangar screen, they will be removed once you get into battle, allowing the turrets to traverse into the other sides, and thus making her capable of doing full broadsides with a decent amount of firing angle.
+The Von der Tann features eight 283 mm SK L/45 cannons arranged in four twin turrets. While the ship's left and right turrets appear to be obstructed by lifeboats in your hangar screen, they will be removed once you get into battle, allowing the turrets to traverse into the other sides, and thus making her capable of doing full broadsides with a decent firing angle. The guns also have a good minimum reload time for its calibre at 20 seconds with an ace crew.
-While they are not as powerful as the 305 mm cannons equipping other dreadnoughts, the 283 mm guns still pack a huge punch and can do the short work out of enemy destroyers and cruisers. The gun also has a good reload time for its calibre at 20 seconds (ace crew).
+While they are not as powerful as the 305 mm cannons equipping other dreadnoughts, the 283 mm guns still pack a decent punch and can make quick work of destroyers and cruisers. However, these pre-WW1 era guns are a little lacking when it comes to penetration capabilities against more comparable or superior opponents.
 {{:283 mm/45 SK L/45 (283 mm)/Ammunition|283 mm Sprgr. L/3.6 Bdz, 283 mm Psgr. L/3.2}}
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-As a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann is fast and well-armed. The eight 283 mm guns can deal a huge amount of damage and have a reload of 20 seconds, much shorter than other battlecruisers and battleships (and the same as some American heavy cruisers), as well as capable of doing full broadsides. While other battleships can punch through your armour, cruisers will seriously struggle. Target cruisers and punish them with your strong secondary guns, colossal main battery firepower, and good reload. They'll struggle with your armour, and they'll struggle to outrun you.
+As a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann is (relatively) fast and well-armed. The eight 283 mm guns can deal a capable amount of damage and have a reload of 20 seconds, much shorter than most other battlecruisers and battleships (and the same as some American heavy cruisers), as well as being capable of doing full broadsides. While other battleships can punch through your armour, cruisers will seriously struggle. Target cruisers and punish them with your secondary guns and main battery. They'll struggle with your armour, and they'll struggle to outrun you.
 Your main threat will be battleships, who can angle against your guns and punch through your armour comfortably. Use your mobility to get away from, or around, them, and don't be afraid to unleash some torpedoes on them if they do get too close.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Fantastic speed for a ship of its size, able to outrun any battleship and stay close to cruisers
+* Good speed for a ship of its age, able to outrun most battleships and stay close to cruisers
 * Out-guns and out-armours every cruiser in the game
 * Can do a full broadsides with the same damage potential as the [[SMS Westfalen]]
-* Fantastic reload on its main guns, better than the Admiral Graf Spee despite them being the same size
+* Good reload on its main guns, better than the Admiral Graf Spee despite them being the same size
 * Deadly secondary armament that can punish cruisers if they come too close
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 * Still slower than the majority of cruisers, can easily get left behind
-* Main armament is inferior to most battleships
+* Main armament lacks penetration required to compete with most other capital ships
 * Secondary armament is woefully inaccurate beyond 7 km
 * Placement of flank turrets makes it prone to ammo detonation from torpedo hits

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-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
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 {{Specs-Fleet-AA}}
 <!-- ''An important part of the ship's armament responsible for air defence. Anti-aircraft armament is defined by the weapon chosen with the control <code>Select anti-aircraft weapons</code>. Talk about the ship's anti-air cannons and machine guns, the number of guns and their positions, their effective range, and about their overall effectiveness – including against surface targets. If there are no anti-aircraft armaments, remove this section.'' -->
-{{main|GM08 pattern 1908 (7.92 mm)}}
+{{main|MG08 pattern 1908 (7.92 mm)}}
 Built during the infancy of naval aviation, the Von der Tann is barely equipped to deal against aerial threats. Therefore, her "anti-air" armament only consists of two antique 7.92 mm machine guns, which won't help to deter any aerial threats. Essentially, it is making her a sitting duck against enemy air support.

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 While they are not as powerful as the 305 mm cannons equipping other dreadnoughts, the 283 mm guns still pack a huge punch and can do the short work out of enemy destroyers and cruisers. The gun also has a good reload time for its calibre at 20 seconds (ace crew).
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
+{{:283 mm/45 SK L/45 (283 mm)/Ammunition|283 mm Sprgr. L/3.6 Bdz, 283 mm Psgr. L/3.2}}
 === Secondary armament ===
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 The 88 mm guns mainly act as complementary weapons and can only be loaded with HEF shell. The guns don't pack as much punch as the 150 mm, but are still quite useful against destroyers and PT boats.
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
+{{:150 mm/45 SK L/45 (150 mm)/Ammunition|150 mm Sprgr. L/4.1 Kz, 150 mm Sprgr. L/4.1 Bdz, 150 mm Psgr. L/3.7}}
 === Anti-aircraft armament ===

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 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.'' -->
-The {{Specs|pseudonym}} is a battlecruiser. This class of ships is supposed to have the firepower of dreadnoughts, whilst having a superior speed to catch on their prey. This comes at the cost of armour thickness and coverage. She doesn't have coal bunkers protecting all turrets, the front and rear turrets only have armour plates to protect their ammunition. A lucky shot will knock a turret out and its ammo storage underneath, especially from other dreadnoughts. Still, the Von der Tann's armour is still very thick and can shield off most of the cruiser's shells and is impervious to destroyers.
+The {{Specs|pseudonym}} is a battlecruiser. This class of ships is supposed to have the firepower of dreadnoughts, whilst having a superior speed to catch on their prey. This comes at the cost of armour thickness and coverage. She doesn't have coal bunkers protecting all turrets, the front, and rear turrets only have armour plates to protect their ammunition. A lucky shot will knock a turret out and its ammo storage underneath, especially from other dreadnoughts. Still, the Von der Tann's armour is still very thick and can shield off most of the cruiser's shells and is impervious to destroyers.
 While the lack of AA guns can be problematic against enemy aircraft, this can actually help the Von der Tann to preserve more of her crew in a trading firefight against enemy cruisers, as enemy ships need to damage the crew compartment or casemate turrets to kill her crew.
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 {{main|283 mm/45 SK L/45 (283 mm)}}
-The Von der Tann features eight 283 mm SK L/45 cannons arranged in four twin turrets. While the ship's left and right turrets appear to be obstructed by lifeboats in your hangar screen, they will be removed once you get into battle, allowing the turrets to traverse into the other sides, and thus making her capable of doing full broadsides with decent amount of firing angle.
+The Von der Tann features eight 283 mm SK L/45 cannons arranged in four twin turrets. While the ship's left and right turrets appear to be obstructed by lifeboats in your hangar screen, they will be removed once you get into battle, allowing the turrets to traverse into the other sides, and thus making her capable of doing full broadsides with a decent amount of firing angle.
-while they are not as powerful as the 305 mm cannons equipping other dreadnoughts, the 283 mm guns still pack a huge punch and can do the short work out of enemy destroyers and cruisers. The gun also has a good reload time for its calibre at 20 seconds (ace crew).
+While they are not as powerful as the 305 mm cannons equipping other dreadnoughts, the 283 mm guns still pack a huge punch and can do the short work out of enemy destroyers and cruisers. The gun also has a good reload time for its calibre at 20 seconds (ace crew).
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 ! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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 {{main|150 mm/45 SK L/45 (150 mm)|88 mm/45 casemate SK L/45 (88 mm)}}
-The Von der Tann features 10 х 150 mm SK L/45 cannons, five mounted in a casemate on each side of the ship. There are also 16 х 88 mm SK L/45 cannons, placed in a set of four casemate on the bow, stern, and command tower, as well as four turrets on the rear fire control tower.
+The Von der Tann features 10 х 150 mm SK L/45 cannons, five mounted in a casemate on each side of the ship. There are also 16 х 88 mm SK L/45 cannons, placed in a set of four casemates on the bow, stern, and command tower, as well as four turrets on the rear fire control tower.
 The 150 mm guns are very reliable against enemy cruisers at mid-to-close range (within 7 km), being able to chew up most of their crew quickly due to the short reload time of 5 seconds, though ineffective beyond 7 km due to its awful dispersion. Other than the HEF shell, the guns have an option to load a SAP shell and an APCBC shell, the SAP is largely useless due to poor penetration, while the APCBC shell can tear up the modules of lightly-armoured enemy at closer range.
-The 88 mm guns mainly act as a complementary weapons and can only be loaded with HEF shell. The guns don't pack as much punch as the 150 mm, but are still quite useful against destroyers and PT boats.
+The 88 mm guns mainly act as complementary weapons and can only be loaded with HEF shell. The guns don't pack as much punch as the 150 mm, but are still quite useful against destroyers and PT boats.
 {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 ! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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 {{main|C/06D (450 mm)}}
-Similar to other dreadnoughts in her era, the Von der Tann features four underwater torpedo launchers, two mounted directly at her bow and stern respectively, and two other placed on each side of the bow. Due to this peculiar placement, the torpedo is highly situational and will not help much to destroy enemy ship. The torpedo itself is also pretty weak and slow, with only 122 kg of TNT and a top speed at only 50 km/h. Thus you should relied on her main and secondary armament instead.
+Similar to other dreadnoughts in her era, the Von der Tann features four underwater torpedo launchers, two mounted directly at her bow and stern respectively, and two others placed on each side of the bow. Due to this peculiar placement, the torpedo is highly situational and will not help much to destroy an enemy ship. The torpedo itself is also pretty weak and slow, with only 122 kg of TNT and a top speed of only 50 km/h. Thus, you should rely on her main and secondary armament instead.
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-As a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann is fast and well-armed. The eight 283 mm guns can deal a huge amount of damage and have a reload of 20 seconds, much shorter than other battlecruisers and battleships (and the same as some American heavy cruisers), as well as capable of doing full broadsides. While other battleships can punch through your armour, cruisers will seriously struggle. Target cruisers and punish them with your strong secondary guns, colossal main battery firepower, and good reload. They'll struggle with your armour and they'll struggle to outrun you.
+As a battlecruiser, the Von der Tann is fast and well-armed. The eight 283 mm guns can deal a huge amount of damage and have a reload of 20 seconds, much shorter than other battlecruisers and battleships (and the same as some American heavy cruisers), as well as capable of doing full broadsides. While other battleships can punch through your armour, cruisers will seriously struggle. Target cruisers and punish them with your strong secondary guns, colossal main battery firepower, and good reload. They'll struggle with your armour, and they'll struggle to outrun you.
-Your main threat will be battleships, who can angle against your guns and punch through your armour comfortably. Use your mobility to get away from, or around them, and don't be afraid to unleash some torpedoes on them if they do get too close.
+Your main threat will be battleships, who can angle against your guns and punch through your armour comfortably. Use your mobility to get away from, or around, them, and don't be afraid to unleash some torpedoes on them if they do get too close.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 | Sprgr. L/4.1 Kz || HE || 21 || 21 || 21 || 21 || 21 || 21
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-| Sprgr. L/4.1 Bd.Z || SAPBC || 95 || 80 || 61 || 47 || 37 || 28
+| Sprgr. L/4.1 Bdz || SAPBC || 95 || 80 || 61 || 47 || 37 || 28
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 | Psgr. L/3.7 || APCBC || 238 || 201 || 153 || 117 || 93 || 71
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 | Sprgr. L/4.1 Kz || HE || 835 || 45.3 || 0 || 0.1 || 1,600 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
-| Sprgr. L/4.1 Bd.Z || SAPBC || 835 || 45.3 || 0.01 || 7 || 1,050 || 48° || 63° || 71°
+| Sprgr. L/4.1 Bdz || SAPBC || 835 || 45.3 || 0.01 || 7 || 1,050 || 48° || 63° || 71°
 |-
-| Sprgr. L/3.7 || APCBC || 835 || 45.3 || 0.015 || 7 || 990 || 48° || 63° || 71°
+| Psgr. L/3.7 || APCBC || 835 || 45.3 || 0.015 || 7 || 990 || 48° || 63° || 71°
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