SB2C-1C - Revision history

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */

2022-12-10T13:36:28Z

‎Suspended armament

U44629479: Edits

2022-12-04T12:43:06Z

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U44629479: Edits

2022-04-10T07:12:13Z

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U26504507: /* Pros and cons */ Removed repeated points

2022-04-09T22:53:56Z

‎Pros and cons: Removed repeated points

U44629479: Edits

2022-03-20T20:11:00Z

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U38088265: /* Defensive armament */

2021-09-08T21:42:29Z

‎Defensive armament

U38088265: U38088265 moved page SB2C-1c to SB2C-1C

2021-05-13T14:33:23Z

U38088265 moved page SB2C-1c to SB2C-1C

U3312106: /* Details */

2021-02-17T10:20:05Z

‎Details

U3312106: /* External links */

2021-01-24T16:41:26Z

‎External links

U38088265: /* Flight performance */ Updated

2020-12-25T21:46:18Z

‎Flight performance: Updated

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 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 {{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)}}
-{{main|Mk.13-1 (1,927 lb)|Mk.13-1 Case (1,927 lb)|Type A Mark I mine}}
+{{main|Mk.13-6 (2,216 lb)|Mk.13-6 Case (2,216 lb)|Type A Mark I mine}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 * 2 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (500 lb total)
-* 1 x 1,927 lb Mk.13-1 torpedo
+* 1 x 2,216 lb Mk.13-6 torpedo
-* 1 x 1,927 lb Mk.13-1 Case torpedo
+* 1 x 2,216 lb Mk.13-6 Case torpedo
 * 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
 * 1 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bomb (1,000 lb total)

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 {{About
 |about = American naval bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
-|usage = other uses
+|usage = other versions
-|link = SB2 (Disambiguation)
+|link = SB2C (Family)
 }}
 {{Specs-Card
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 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
-The SB2C-1c has surprisingly good manoeuvrability for a dive-bomber (especially at an airspeed of around 300 km/h), although its weight means that acceleration is not outstanding and climb rate is poor. Top speed is also below-average. However, as a primarily air-to-ground attacker, these somewhat lacklustre flight characteristics do not overly hinder the vehicle's utility.
+The SB2C-1C has surprisingly good manoeuvrability for a dive-bomber (especially at an airspeed of around 300 km/h), although its weight means that acceleration is not outstanding and climb rate is poor. Top speed is also below-average. However, as a primarily air-to-ground attacker, these somewhat lacklustre flight characteristics do not overly hinder the vehicle's utility.
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 The SB2C Helldiver was a carrier-based dive bomber made by the Curtiss company. The aircraft had been produced from 1943-1945. It was meant to replace the Douglas SBD Dauntless as a much faster alternative to the SBD Dauntless though it sacrificed mobility. Many of the crews of the SB2C Helldiver nicked named this aircraft "Big-Tailed Beast", "Two-Cee", and Son of a Bitch Second Class due to the horrible turning capabilities of the aircraft. The aircraft mainly saw service in the United States Navy, United States Army Air Forces, French Air Force, and Royal Thai Air Force. It was a much larger version of the SBD Dauntless but many of the pilots that flew the SB2C were disappointed with the turning capability which led many pilots to go back to the outdated SBD Dauntless as it had better turning but less speed but many pilots preferred it rather than the SB2C. A total of 7,140 aircraft were produced in total from 1943-1945.
-=== SB2C-1c ===
+=== SB2C-1C ===
-The SB2C-1c Helldiver was based on the SB2C-1 - the first production model. It replaced the four .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns of the SB2C-1 with two 20 mm cannons. It also included new hydraulically operated flaps. Because the SB2C-1 was used only for training, after only 200 were built because of the issues with the design. As such, the SB2C-1c was the first variant to be deployed. 778 SB2C-1c Helldivers were built, and it was the first variant to see combat.
+The SB2C-1C Helldiver was based on the SB2C-1 - the first production model. It replaced the four .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns of the SB2C-1 with two 20 mm cannons. It also included new hydraulically operated flaps. Because the SB2C-1 was used only for training, after only 200 were built because of the issues with the design. As such, the SB2C-1C was the first variant to be deployed. 778 SB2C-1C Helldivers were built, and it was the first variant to see combat.
 The SB2C Helldiver was used during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, where 45 were lost after running out of fuel while returning to the carriers. The SB2C took part in combat over the Marianas, Philippines, Taiwan, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa. In the Battle of Leyte Gulf, during the Philippines Campaign, SB2C Helldivers took part in the sinking of the IJN Musashi; they scored a number of bomb hits to the ship. At Okinawa, Helldivers participated in the sinking of the IJN Yamato during the Japanese Operation Ten-Go, scoring hits on the Yamato and her escorts.
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[SB2 (Disambiguation)]]
+* [[SB2C (Family)]]
-** [[SB2C-4]], successor to the 1c variant
+** [[SB2C-4]], successor to the 1C variant
-* [[SBD-3]], the SB2C-1c's predecessor
+* [[SBD-3]], the SB2C-1C's predecessor
 == External links ==

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 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
-The SB2C-1c has surprisingly good manoeuvrability for a dive-bomber (especially at an airspeed of around 300 km/h), although its weight means that acceleration is not outstanding and climb rate is poor. Top speed is also below-average. However, as a primarily air-to-ground attacker, these somewhat lackluster flight characteristics do not overly hinder the vehicle's utility.
+The SB2C-1c has surprisingly good manoeuvrability for a dive-bomber (especially at an airspeed of around 300 km/h), although its weight means that acceleration is not outstanding and climb rate is poor. Top speed is also below-average. However, as a primarily air-to-ground attacker, these somewhat lacklustre flight characteristics do not overly hinder the vehicle's utility.
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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-In Air Realistic battles, the SB2C receives an air start, which means that it is usually able to intercept enemy fighters in their climb path. When this happens, the Helldiver is very effective in a head-on role, with 2 powerful 20 mm cannons. If stealth belts are loaded, the enemy may not even realize that they are being shot at, since they may not expect a bomber to have offensive capabilities. Another way to deal with enemy fighters is in a dog fighting role. The SB2C has a surprisingly good turn rate, especially at around 300 km/h, and can turn with such planes as the [[La-5]] and [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190]] series of fighters. Often, the enemy will be caught off guard by the Helldiver's dog fighting ability and enter into an engagement that they cannot win, allowing the pilot to secure the kill.
+In Air Realistic battles, the SB2C receives an air start, which means that it is usually able to intercept enemy fighters in their climb path. When this happens, the Helldiver is very effective in a head-on role, with 2 powerful 20 mm cannons. If stealth belts are loaded, the enemy may not even realise that they are being shot at, since they may not expect a bomber to have offensive capabilities. Another way to deal with enemy fighters is in a dogfighting role. The SB2C has a surprisingly good turn rate, especially at around 300 km/h, and can turn with such planes as the [[La-5]] and [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190]] series of fighters. Often, the enemy will be caught off guard by the Helldiver's dogfighting ability and enter into an engagement that they cannot win, allowing the pilot to secure the kill.
 However, the SB2C is certainly not the perfect fighter aircraft: it has a poor climb rate, poor acceleration, and is quite heavy. Therefore, it struggles against experienced enemy fighters, and the best way to fly this plane in an anti-air role is by supporting teammates and working with a group. If there is an enemy on your tail, luring them towards friendlies may be the best option. Since the Helldiver is heavy and sluggish, it can be hard to shake a tail. There is a rear gunner, but they are only armed with 2 x 7.62 mm machine guns, and are not very well protected from enemy fire. As such, it would be unwise to rely on them in every sticky situation.
-Another possible way to use this vehicle is in a ground-attack role. This can be done in Ground, Air, or Naval battles, since the Helldiver is able to carry both bombs and torpedoes. For attacking ground targets, it is recommended to use a diving attack (the vehicle is equipped with an air brake for just this purpose) and drop ordnance when directly over the enemy. Keep in mind that this vehicle does not carry much ordnance, so it is important to make each drop count. If the bombs have been used up, then it is possible to use the 2 x 20 mm cannons against lightly armored ground targets as well, although more heavily-armored tanks and pillboxes will be difficult to crack. In naval battles, this plane is one of few to receive a torpedo for use against ships.
+Another possible way to use this vehicle is in a ground-attack role. This can be done in Ground, Air, or Naval battles, since the Helldiver is able to carry both bombs and torpedoes. For attacking ground targets, it is recommended to use a diving attack (the vehicle is equipped with an airbrake for just this purpose) and drop ordnance when directly over the enemy. Keep in mind that this vehicle does not carry much ordnance, so it is important to make each drop count. If the bombs have been used up, then it is possible to use the 2 x 20 mm cannons against lightly armoured ground targets as well, although more heavily-armoured tanks and pillboxes will be difficult to crack. In naval battles, this plane is one of few to receive a torpedo for use against ships.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 '''Pros:'''
 * Has the ability to dive bomb and level bomb
 * Armed with a powerful pair of 20 mm AN/M2 cannons
 * Internal payload, next to no performance penalty when carrying bombs
 * Defensive gunner has a wide coverage
-* Excellent turn rate and radius, even when loaded
+* Pinpoint dive bomb accuracy
 '''Cons:'''
-* Wing mounted armaments tend to be inaccurate sometimes
+* Poor power output from the engine, drops further above 4,000 m
-* Smaller payload than its predecessors, the SBD-3 and the TBF-1C
+* Elevator tend to wildly sway after a manoeuvre
 * Torpedo is carried externally, resulting in a noticeable performance drop
-*Poor power output from the engine, drops further above 4000 meters.
+* Defensive armament is ineffective against armoured foes
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=sb2c_1c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
-The SB2C-1c has surprisingly good manoeuvrability for a dive-bomber (especially at an airspeed of around 300 km/h), although its weight means that acceleration is not outstanding and climb rate is poor. Top speed is also below-average. However, as a primarily air-to-ground attacker, these somewhat lacklustre flight characteristics do not overly hinder the vehicle's utility.
+The SB2C-1c has surprisingly good manoeuvrability for a dive-bomber (especially at an airspeed of around 300 km/h), although its weight means that acceleration is not outstanding and climb rate is poor. Top speed is also below-average. However, as a primarily air-to-ground attacker, these somewhat lackluster flight characteristics do not overly hinder the vehicle's utility.
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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-In Air Realistic battles, the SB2C receives an air start, which means that it is usually able to intercept enemy fighters in their climb path. When this happens, the Helldiver is very effective in a head-on role, with 2 powerful 20 mm cannons. If stealth belts are loaded, the enemy may not even realise that they are being shot at, since they may not expect a bomber to have offensive capabilities. Another way to deal with enemy fighters is in a dogfighting role. The SB2C has a surprisingly good turn rate, especially at around 300 km/h, and can turn with such planes as the [[La-5]] and [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190]] series of fighters. Often, the enemy will be caught off guard by the Helldiver's dogfighting ability and enter into an engagement that they cannot win, allowing the pilot to secure the kill.
+In Air Realistic battles, the SB2C receives an air start, which means that it is usually able to intercept enemy fighters in their climb path. When this happens, the Helldiver is very effective in a head-on role, with 2 powerful 20 mm cannons. If stealth belts are loaded, the enemy may not even realize that they are being shot at, since they may not expect a bomber to have offensive capabilities. Another way to deal with enemy fighters is in a dog fighting role. The SB2C has a surprisingly good turn rate, especially at around 300 km/h, and can turn with such planes as the [[La-5]] and [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190]] series of fighters. Often, the enemy will be caught off guard by the Helldiver's dog fighting ability and enter into an engagement that they cannot win, allowing the pilot to secure the kill.
 However, the SB2C is certainly not the perfect fighter aircraft: it has a poor climb rate, poor acceleration, and is quite heavy. Therefore, it struggles against experienced enemy fighters, and the best way to fly this plane in an anti-air role is by supporting teammates and working with a group. If there is an enemy on your tail, luring them towards friendlies may be the best option. Since the Helldiver is heavy and sluggish, it can be hard to shake a tail. There is a rear gunner, but they are only armed with 2 x 7.62 mm machine guns, and are not very well protected from enemy fire. As such, it would be unwise to rely on them in every sticky situation.
-Another possible way to use this vehicle is in a ground-attack role. This can be done in Ground, Air, or Naval battles, since the Helldiver is able to carry both bombs and torpedoes. For attacking ground targets, it is recommended to use a diving attack (the vehicle is equipped with an airbrake for just this purpose) and drop ordnance when directly over the enemy. Keep in mind that this vehicle does not carry much ordnance, so it is important to make each drop count. If the bombs have been used up, then it is possible to use the 2 x 20 mm cannons against lightly armoured ground targets as well, although more heavily-armoured tanks and pillboxes will be difficult to crack. In naval battles, this plane is one of few to receive a torpedo for use against ships.
+Another possible way to use this vehicle is in a ground-attack role. This can be done in Ground, Air, or Naval battles, since the Helldiver is able to carry both bombs and torpedoes. For attacking ground targets, it is recommended to use a diving attack (the vehicle is equipped with an air brake for just this purpose) and drop ordnance when directly over the enemy. Keep in mind that this vehicle does not carry much ordnance, so it is important to make each drop count. If the bombs have been used up, then it is possible to use the 2 x 20 mm cannons against lightly armored ground targets as well, although more heavily-armored tanks and pillboxes will be difficult to crack. In naval battles, this plane is one of few to receive a torpedo for use against ships.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Armed with a powerful pair of 20 mm AN/M2 cannons
 * Access to air brakes
 * Decent durability
-* Next to no performance penalty when carrying bombs
+* Internal payload, next to no performance penalty when carrying bombs
 * Air frame can withstand high speed
 * Defensive gunner has a wide coverage
-* Internal payload
+* Excellent turn rate and radius, even when loaded
 '''Cons:'''
 * Wing mounted armaments tend to be inaccurate sometimes
-* Maximum payload is lower than both the SBD-3 and the TBF-1C
+* Smaller payload than its predecessors, the SBD-3 and the TBF-1C
-* Suffers from huge performance penalty when carrying a torpedo
+* Torpedo is carried externally, resulting in a noticeable performance drop
-* Slow
+*Poor power output from the engine, drops further above 4000 meters.
-* Elevator tend to wildly sway after a manoeuvre, a trait shared by the TBF-1C
+* Elevator tend to wildly sway after a maneuver, a trait shared by the TBF-1C
-* Defensive armament is ineffective against armoured foes
+* Defensive armament is ineffective against armored foes
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=sb2c_1c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 * Armed with a powerful pair of 20 mm AN/M2 cannons
 * Access to air brakes
-* Similar play style as the the [[SBD-3]] and the [[TBF-1C]]
+* Similar playstyle to the [[SBD-3]] and the [[TBF-1C]]
 * Decent durability
 * Next to no performance penalty when carrying bombs
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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 {{Youtube-gallery|uJziizNMYj8|'''The Shooting Range #164''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:12 discusses the SB2C Helldiver.|_mhSXtNN9Ko|'''The Shooting Range #200''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 06:03 discusses the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver.}}
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 * [[SB2 (Disambiguation)]]
-* [[SB2C-4]], successor to the 1c variant
+** [[SB2C-4]], successor to the 1c variant
 * [[SBD-3]], the SB2C-1c's predecessor
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 <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->

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 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 {{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)}}
-{{main|Mk.13-1 Case (1,927 lb)|Mk.13-1 (1,927 lb)|Type A Mark I mine}}
+{{main|Mk.13-1 (1,927 lb)|Mk.13-1 Case (1,927 lb)|Type A Mark I mine}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:
-* 2 x 7.62 mm Browning machine guns, dorsal turret (2,000 rpg = 4,000 total)
+* 2 x 7.62 mm Browning machine guns, dorsal turret (1,000 rpg = 2,000 total)
 == Usage in battles ==

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 520 || 453 || 250 || ~10 || ~5
+| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 503 || 481 || 250 || ~11 || ~5
 |-
 |}

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 * [[wt:en/devblog/current/793|SB2C-1c Helldiver: Official Devblog]]
 * [https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=265 SB2C-1c: MilitaryFactory.com]
 * [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/250823-sb2c-helldiver-official-thread/ SB2C-1c: Official Forum thread]

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 |-
 ! Stock
-| 430 || 415 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 24.6 || 25.0 || 2.6 || 3.9 || rowspan="2" | 300
+| 431 || 416 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 24.4 || 25.5 || 4.0 || 4.0 || rowspan="2" | 300
 |-
 ! Upgraded
-| ___ || 450 || 21.7 || 23.0 || 8.7 || 6.1
+| 471 || 450 || 21.7 || 23.0 || 8.7 || 6.1
 |-
 |}