SA50 L/57 (75 mm) - Revision history

U44629479: Edits / Renamed cannons to correct convention

2023-07-08T17:11:50Z

Edits / Renamed cannons to correct convention

U12423867: Extensive revision. Yet to do: Double-check both the Wiki naming conventions for tank guns and correct them if and where needed, and the ballistic properties of the SA50.

2023-07-08T17:04:29Z

Extensive revision. Yet to do: Double-check both the Wiki naming conventions for tank guns and correct them if and where needed, and the ballistic properties of the SA50.

U9202753: Thumbnail added

2023-02-18T16:56:21Z

Thumbnail added

U38088265: /* Available ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-19T14:36:41Z

‎Available ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Updated

2022-10-01T16:46:03Z

‎Ammunition: Updated

U44629479: Edits

2022-09-09T13:20:11Z

Edits

U17577377 at 03:13, 26 March 2022

2022-03-26T03:13:52Z

U17577377: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */

2022-03-26T02:55:57Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon

U44629479: Edits

2022-02-28T20:05:12Z

Edits

U29867896: /* See also */

2022-02-28T07:36:02Z

‎See also

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-[[File:Weapon SA50 L-57 (75 mm).png|thumb|right|x250px|The SA50 L/57 (75 mm) on the AMX-13 (Israel) gun mantlet]]
+[[File:Weapon SA50 L-57 (75 mm).png|thumb|right|x250px|The 75 mm SA50 L/57 on the AMX-13 (Israel) gun mantlet]]
 == Description ==
 <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-The '''SA50 L/57 (75 mm)''' is a French tank gun.
+The '''75 mm SA50 L/57''' is a French tank cannon.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 === Comparison with analogues ===
 <!-- ''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.'' -->
-The SA50 L/57 has similar ballistic characteristics to the [[KwK42 (75 mm)]] upon which its development was based. However, both penetration performance and damage effect are not identical, as other types of ammunition are used.
+The SA50 L/57 has similar ballistic characteristics to the [[KwK42 (75 mm)|75 mm KwK42]] upon which its development was based. However, both penetration performance and damage effect are not identical, as other types of ammunition are used.
 == Usage in battles ==
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 '''Cons:'''
-−
 * No armour-piercing shell with an explosive filler
 * Limited elevation angle due to the oscillating turret design
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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.'' -->
-The SA50 L/57 (75 mm) was developed to fulfil a requirement for a 75 mm anti-tank gun to be mounted on the [[ARL-44]]. Although it was never adopted for this role, it was later standardized and mounted on the [[AMX-13]], among other designs. The development team sought a cannon that possessed comparable performance to the German [[KwK42 (75 mm)]], mounted on the [[Panzer V Panther (Family)|Panther]], notably.
+The 75 mm SA50 was developed to fulfil a requirement for a 75 mm anti-tank gun to be mounted on the [[ARL-44]]. Although it was never adopted for this role, it was later standardized and mounted on the [[AMX-13]], among other designs. The development team sought a cannon that possessed comparable performance to the German [[KwK42 (75 mm)|75 mm KwK42]], mounted on the [[Panzer V Panther (Family)|Panther]], notably.
 == Media ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-The '''75 mm SA50 L/57''' is a French tank cannon.
+The '''SA50 L/57 (75 mm)''' is a French tank gun.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 == General info ==
 <!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
-The 75 mm SA50 L/57 cannon is a performant gun. It comes along with an autoloader (except for the [[M4A4 (SA50)]]) which helps reduce the reload time. The gun has a powerful penetration at its BR, except for the [[AMX-13 (HOT)]] which sits at a much higher BR was it comes equipped with ATGMs.
+The 75 mm SA50 L/57 is a powerful gun. It is equipped with an autoloader (except on the [[M4A4 (SA50)]]), which gives it a competitive reload time. The combat vehicles equipped with this weapon have a high penetrating power for their battle rating, with the exception of the [[AMX-13 (HOT)]], which gets a comparatively high BR due to being equipped with second-generation ATGMs.
 === Available ammunition ===
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 === Comparison with analogues ===
 <!-- ''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.'' -->
-The SA50 L/57 performs nearly identically to the [[KwK42 (75 mm)|75 mm KwK42]] upon which its development was based. The SA50 however does not enjoy the same levels of post-penetration damage as the German cannon since it lacks rounds with explosive filler.
+The SA50 L/57 has similar ballistic characteristics to the [[KwK42 (75 mm)]] upon which its development was based. However, both penetration performance and damage effect are not identical, as other types of ammunition are used.
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' -->
-The cannons high degree of penetration allows vehicles equipped with this weapon to attack all but the toughest enemies frontally. Crucially its fast reload speed can be used to offset the low post-penetration performance of the AP shells to quickly dispatch targets. Like all autoloading tanks, however, depletion of the autoloader incurs a harsh reload penalty, and as such, its usage in protracted engagements is not advised.
+Thanks to the high penetrating power of the gun, vehicles equipped with this weapon can attack all but the most resilient enemies head-on. The short reload time can be used to compensate for the low damage effect of the AP grenades through fast follow-up shots to take out targets quickly. As with all tanks equipped with an autoloader, however, it takes a long time to reload after it has been depleted, so it is highly recommended to remove the tank from the direct line of sight of the enemy during longer firefights in order to refill magazines.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * High penetration power
-* Assisted by an autoloader (12 rounds), except for the M4A4 SA50
+* Assisted by a 12-round autoloader, except for the M4A4 SA50
 * High muzzle velocity (1,000 m/s)
 '''Cons:'''
-* No shell with explosive filler
+* No armour-piercing shell with an explosive filler
 * Limited elevation angle due to the oscillating turret design
 == History ==
 <!-- ''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.'' -->
-The 75 mm SA50 was developed to fulfill a requirement for a 75 mm Anti-tank gun to be mounted on the [[ARL-44]]. Although it was never adopted for this role, it was later standardized and mounted on the [[AMX-13]], among other designs. Development sought a cannon that had comparable performance to the German [[KwK42 (75 mm)|75 mm KwK42]], notably mounted on the [[Panzer V Panther (Family)|Panther]].
+The SA50 L/57 (75 mm) was developed to fulfil a requirement for a 75 mm anti-tank gun to be mounted on the [[ARL-44]]. Although it was never adopted for this role, it was later standardized and mounted on the [[AMX-13]], among other designs. The development team sought a cannon that possessed comparable performance to the German [[KwK42 (75 mm)]], mounted on the [[Panzer V Panther (Family)|Panther]], notably.
 == Media ==

← Older revision		Revision as of 16:56, 18 February 2023
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		+	[[File:Weapon SA50 L-57 (75 mm).png\|thumb\|right\|x250px\|The SA50 L/57 (75 mm) on the AMX-13 (Israel) gun mantlet]]
		+
	== Description ==		== Description ==
	<!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->		<!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->

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 === Available ammunition ===
 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
+{{:{{PAGENAME}}/Ammunition|POT-51A, OE Mle 1951, PCOT-51P}}
 === Comparison with analogues ===

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 * {{Specs-Link|fr_amx_13_75}}
-* {{Specs-Link|il_amx_13_75|AMX-13}}
+* {{Specs-Link|il_amx_13_75}}
 * {{Specs-Link|fr_amx_13_75_ss11}}
 * {{Specs-Link|fr_amx_13_hot}}
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 === Available ammunition ===
 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
 {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 ! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| POT-51A || APC || 182 || 178 || 162 || 143 || 127 || 113
+| POT-51A || APBC || 182 || 178 || 162 || 143 || 127 || 113
 |-
 | 75 mm HE || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
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 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
 ! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
+! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>mass (kg)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
+! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 ! colspan="3" | Ricochet
 |-
 ! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 |-
-| POT-51A || APC || 1,000 || 6.4 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
+| POT-51A || APBC || 1,000 || 6.4 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
 |-
-| 75 mm HE || HE || 753 || 6.2 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 675 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| 75 mm HE || HE || 753 || 6.2 || 0 || 0.1 || 675 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
 | PCOT-51P || APCBC || 1,000 || 6.4 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°

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	{{France tank cannons}}		{{France tank cannons}}
		+	{{Israel tank cannons}}

	[[Category:Tank cannons]]		[[Category:Tank cannons]]

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 == Description ==
-The SA50 L/57 is a French 75mm anti-tank rifled gun.
+<!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Make an air or ground vehicles list on which this weapon is installed in our game.'' -->
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 == General info ==
 <!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
-The 75 mm SA50 L/57 cannon is a performant gun. It comes along with an autoloader (except for the [[M4A4 (SA50)]]) which helps reduce the reload time. For much of the BR range within which this cannon is found, it enjoys high degrees of performance. One notable exception to this is the [[AMX-13 (HOT)]] which is placed at a higher BR due to its capacity to fire ATGMs.
+The 75 mm SA50 L/57 cannon is a performant gun. It comes along with an autoloader (except for the [[M4A4 (SA50)]]) which helps reduce the reload time. The gun has a powerful penetration at its BR, except for the [[AMX-13 (HOT)]] which sits at a much higher BR was it comes equipped with ATGMs.
 === Available shells ===
 {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 ! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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 === Comparison with analogues ===
-The SA50 performs nearly identically to the [[KwK42 (75 mm)|75 mm KwK 42]] upon which it development was based. The SA50 however does not enjoy the same levels of post penetration performance as the German cannon owing to its lack of a shell type round.
+<!-- ''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns, that have firepower equal to these type of weapons.'' -->
 == Usage in battles ==
-The cannons high degree of penetration allows vehicles equipped with this weapon to attack all but the toughest enemies frontally. Crucially its fast reload speed can be used to offset the low post penetration performance of the AP shell to quickly dispatch targets. Like all autoloading tanks however depletion of the autoloader incurs a harsh reload penalty and such its usage in protracted engagements is not advised.
+<!-- ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against the main opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' -->
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Cons:'''
-−
-* Ammunition lacks explosive filler
+* No shell with explosive filler
 * Limited elevation angle due to the oscillating turret design
 == History ==
-The 75mm SA50 was developed to fulfill a requirement for a 75mm Anti-tank gun to be mounted on the ARL-44. Although it was never adopted for this role it was later standardized and mounted on AMX-13, among other designs. Development sought a cannon that had comparable performance to the German [[KwK42 (75 mm)|75mm KwK 42]], notably mounted on the [[Panzer V Panther (Family)|Panther Tank]].
+<!-- ''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of this weapon. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article.'' -->
 == Media ==
-[[File:M50 Super Sherman.jpg|alt=An M50 Super Super Sherman, similar in appearance the standard late war Sherman Tank, however with a larger gun and redesigned mantle|thumb|390x390px|The SA50 as it appears on the Israeli M-50 Super Sherman|none]]
+''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==
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 == External links ==
-* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA_50
+* [[wikipedia:SA_50|[Wikipedia] SA 50]]
 {{France tank cannons}}
 [[Category:Tank cannons]]