SA18 L/21 (37 mm) - Revision history

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 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
-{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:{{PAGENAME}}/Ammunition|Mle1937}}
 === Comparison with analogues ===
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 ! Nation !! Name !! Year of Production !! RPM !! Ammunition !! Maximum Penetration
 |-
-| GER || [[PaK L/45 (37 mm)]] || 1934 || 15 RPM || PzGr || 47 mm
+| Germany || [[KwK34(t) (37 mm)|37 mm KwK34(t)]] || 1934 || 14 RPM || PzGr.40 (APCR) || 81 mm
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 |}

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Very high firing rate
+* Very high rate of fire
 * Relatively accurate gun
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 * [https://imgur.com/a/WJuHjJF French manual of the 37 mm TR 16 from WW2]
 * [https://imgur.com/a/ep6AQj9 Conversation of the investigation on the battle of France (chief engineer talks about experimental rounds)]
-* France 1940, L'armement terreste, by Stéphane Ferrard, page 93-94
+* France 1940, L'armement terrestre, by Stéphane Ferrard, page 93-94
 {{France tank cannons}}
 [[Category:Tank cannons]]

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-[[File:Canon de 37mm SA18 .jpg|thumb|37 mm Puteaux SA18 as mounted in the French tanks]]
+The '''37 mm SA18 L/21''' cannon is a French tank cannon. Also known as Puteaux SA 18 (or 37 mm SA 18 L/21 Puteaux), it is is a gun that first saw use in the First World War, but also the Second World War.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 == General info ==
 <!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
-The Puteaux SA 18, or Semi-Automatique 1918 Puteux, was a obsolete gun by the time of WW2. The guns used on French tanks of the time were usually scavenged from existing tanks from WW1, which led to a performance normally unfit for the tank battle. The original WW1 rounds offering only a velocity of less than 400 m/s were replaced by higher velocity rounds with a velocity of 600 m/s from 1935 onward. This allowed the French gun to catch up with modern guns somewhat, though it is still considered relatively weak. Weighing 110 kg with shielding, the barrel is 21 calibres long. Having a fire-rate of 20 rounds per minute, the gun has a pretty good reload speed but the maximum effectiveness of his penetration is about 400 m.
+The Puteaux SA 18, or Semi-Automatique 1918 Puteaux, was primarily mounted in armoured vehicles and its main use was to suppress enemy machine gun nests, pillboxes, and also infantry. It was a simple and reliable weapon for its role, with a high rate of fire, low chance of jamming, and it required only a single person to use effectively. There was a sight mounted to the left of the weapon, which allowed consistent and accurate suppressive fire. Although its penetrative power wasn't something to brag about, it was just enough to penetrate most armoured cars of the time.
 === Available ammunition ===
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 ! colspan="6" | Comparable cannons to the SA 18 L/21
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-! Nation
+! Nation !! Name !! Year of Production !! RPM !! Ammunition !! Maximum Penetration
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-| GER
+| GER || [[PaK L/45 (37 mm)]] || 1934 || 15 RPM || PzGr || 47 mm
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 |}
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 == See also ==
-<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
-* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.'' -->
+* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
 == External links ==

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 Despite being completely obsolete by the outbreak of World War II, the SA18 and its infantry counterpart, the SA16, were still widely in service and saw combat with several armies, such as France, Belgium, Poland, Yugoslavia and Finland.
-{{sp-begin|Hotchkiss Ammunition}}
+{{sp-begin|Historical rounds details}}
 While In-game only a limited number of ammunition was made available for this armament, the SA18 was having a pretty wide range of ammunition available. sadly most of them are simply too weak to make it to the game while other could really make the gun back to a competitive standard.

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 == General info ==
-The simple yet effective Puteaux SA 18 was very reliable but its armor penetration wasn't exactly great due to the inadequate velocity of the rounds, ranging from measly 367 m/s and up to 600 m/s. However it still could pierce trough most of the armoured vehicles, but it quickly fell behind as armour got more developed and advanced. The breech loading and semi-automatic feed helped achieve great rate of fire, of up to 20 rounds a minute. The barrel length was 21 calibres, and its mass was roughly 88 kg. While its fire rate could be as fast as 20 rounds a minute, in practice it would only reach half of that, 10 rounds a minute. The maximum effective range was 2,500 m, but in practice, it was only 400 m.[[File:PenetrationChart SA 18 (37 mm).png|alt=SA 18 penetration chart|center|frame|SA 18 penetration chart]]
+<!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
-=== Available shells ===
+=== Available ammunition ===
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 === Comparison with analogues ===
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 {| class="wikitable"
-! colspan="6" |Comparable cannons to the SA 18 L/21
+! colspan="6" | Comparable cannons to the SA 18 L/21
 |-
-!Nation
+! Nation
-!Name
+! Name
-!Year of Production
+! Year of Production
-!RPM
+! RPM
-!Ammunition
+! Ammunition
-!Maximum Penetration
+! Maximum Penetration
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-|USA
+| GER
-|[[M6 (37 mm)]]
+| [[PaK L/45 (37 mm)]]
-|1940
+| 1934
-|16 RPM
+| 15 RPM
-|M74B1
+| PzGr
-M63 Shell
+| 47 mm
 |-
 |}
 == Usage in battles ==
-<!--''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against the main opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''-->
+<!-- ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' -->
-The SA18 L/21 is, unfortunately, a gun in the wrong world war.  Originally intended as a short-range support gun for easy transportation, it was designed as a basic, short-barrelled gun.  While this meant it excelled in the role that it was intended for on the battlefields of the First World War, it also meant it quickly became obsolete in view of tank development on the eve of the Second World War.  When used in combat against early World War II armour, it is only effective at very short range.  If confronted with anything further than 100 yards with more than 30 mm or armour - hold fire if you don't want to attract the enemy's attention.
+The SA18 L/21 is, unfortunately, a gun in the wrong world war.  Originally intended as a short-range support gun for easy transportation, it was designed as a basic, short-barreled gun.  While this meant it excelled in the role that it was intended for on the battlefields of the First World War, it also meant it quickly became obsolete in view of tank development on the eve of the Second World War.  When used in combat against early World War II armour, it is only effective at very short range.  If confronted with anything further than 100 yards with more than 30 mm or armour - hold fire if you don't want to attract the enemy's attention.
 === Pros and cons ===
-<!--''Summarize and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''-->
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
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 * Low muzzle velocity, shell drops off very quickly, severely limiting its effective range
-== Historical part ==
+== History ==
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+<!-- ''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.'' -->
 The 37 mm Puteaux SA18 cannon started life as a development of the ''Canon de 37 mm à tir rapide Modèle 1916'' (SA16), a small but powerful, portable infantry support gun designed by Eugène François Gilbert Garnier (1874-1964) on the instigation of the generals Jean Estienne and Ferdinand Foch.  The original purpose of the SA16 was a light gun capable of demolishing pillboxes and gunner nests, with a high rate of fire.  Due to its intended use, its range was not considered a priority as part of the gun's design: the result was a relatively small and light weapon, with very high accuracy.  When operated by an experienced crew, the gun could fire up to 15 shots per minute, although it had a practical firing rate of 10 shots per minute under normal circumstances.  Despite its relatively small size, the original infantry gun would be operated by a crew of 8, consisting of commander, aimer, gunner, four ammunition handlers and one armourer.
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 == See also ==
-<!-- "Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:"
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
-* "reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;"
+* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.'' -->
 * [[PaK L/45 (37 mm)]] - 37 mm German cannon, used by the [[Sd.Kfz.251/10]]
 == External links ==
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+<!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
-* "topic on the official game forum;"
+* [[wikipedia:Puteaux_SA_18|[Wikipedia] Puteaux SA 18]]
 {{France tank cannons}}
 [[Category:Tank cannons]]

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-{| class="wikitable sortable"
+{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="8" |Penetration statistics
+! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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-! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
+! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
-! rowspan="2" |Type of
+! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-warhead
+! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
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-!10m
+! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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-|Mle1937
+| Mle1937 || APCR || 36 || 33 || 24 || 16 || 8 || 5
-|APCR
+|-
-|36
+| Mle1892 || APHE || 13 || 12 || 7 || 4 || 2 || 2
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 |}
-{| class="wikitable sortable"
+{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="11" |Shell details
+! colspan="10" | Shell details
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-! rowspan="2" |Ammunition
+! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
-! rowspan="2" |Type of
+! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-warhead
+! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" |Velocity
+! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
-in m/s
+! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
-! rowspan="2" |Projectile
+! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-Mass in kg
+! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
-! rowspan="2" |Fuse delay
+! colspan="3" | Ricochet
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-!0%
+! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
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-|Mle1937
+| Mle1937 || APCR || 600 || 0.5 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
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-|600
+| Mle1892 || APHE || 388 || 0.5 || 1.2 || 6.0 || 15 || 47° || 60° || 65°
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 == Media ==
-''An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
+''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 * ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
 * ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
-''ETC.''
+== External links ==
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+* ''topic on the official game forum;''
-* ''topic on the official game forum''
+* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
-* ''page on the Wikipedia''
+* ''other literature.''
 {{France tank cannons}}
 [[Category:Tank cannons]]

SA18 L/21 (37 mm) - Revision history

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