S17BS - Revision history

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The land-based [[B17 (Family)|SAAB 17]] was the first all-metal stressed-skin aircraft developed in Sweden, introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the [[B17B]], featured photographic equipment for reconnaissance. The variant also replaced the main landing gear with floats and the original engine with a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The land-based SAAB 17 was the first all-metal stressed-skin aircraft developed in Sweden, introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the [[B17B]], it was designed for reconnaissance and it featured photographic equipment, it replaced the landing gear with floats and the original engine by a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
-The S17BS was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a single engine hydroplane reconnaissance bomber. Its armament consists of two 8 mm [[Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm)|Ksp m/22 Fh]]/[[Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)|Fv]] fixed forward-facing machine guns, and one 8 mm [[Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)|Ksp m/22-37 R]] machine gun in the tail gun position. The S17BS can use these weapons to attack unarmored ground targets and defend itself against enemies. The aircraft also carries 9 x 50 kg [[Sb m/42 (50 kg)|Sb m/42]] bombs which can be used to destroy ground targets, as long as they are dropped accurately. In order to increase accuracy, players can use the aircraft's bomb sight. Due to its relatively sluggish performance and light armament, it is not recommended to engage enemy fighters in the S17BS.
+It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a slow and sluggish bomber. It has access to 2 x forward mounting machine guns, which are an adequate armament for its BR. It is more capable at ground attack however, with access to 9 x 50 kg bombs. It has also access to a bomb sight, which means that dropping bombs with precision shouldn't be an issue. In air battles, the bombs are particularly useful against light fortifications and vehicle columns.
 == General info ==
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-* 10mm Steel plate in pilot's seat
+* 10 mm Steel plate in pilot's seat
-* 10mm Steel plate in front of gunner*
+* 10 mm Steel plate in front of gunner*
 * Self-sealing fuel tanks (4 in each wing)
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 === Modifications and economy ===
-{{Specs-Economy}}As the S17BS is a relatively simple aircraft, the progress of obtaining its modifications is also quite simple. One recommended order of research is as follows:
+{{Specs-Economy}}
-* ''Offensive 8 mm'': Researching this modification can allow the player to choose between different ammunition belts, including Armored Targets belts which will increase the amount of armor-piercing rounds present in the belt, over the Default ammunition. Stealth belts can also be used, which can allow the machine guns to fire ammunition that does not contain tracer rounds. Players can use these to attack ground targets or unsuspecting enemy aircraft.
+As the S17BS is a relatively simple aircraft, the progress of obtaining its modifications is also quite simple. One recommended order of research is as follows:
-* ''Airframe'': This modification will increase the aircraft's durability, giving it a higher chance to return to the airfield even if damaged.
-* ''Turret 8 mm'': This modification is very similar to the previous modification and will give the player access to other ammunition belt types. It is recommended to take Armored Targets belts for increased damage against aircraft with armor or solid structures.
+* Offensive 8 mm: researching this modification can allow the player to choose between different ammunition belts, including Armored Targets belts which will increase the amount of armour-piercing rounds present in the belt, over the Default ammunition. Stealth belts can also be used, which can allow the machine guns to fire ammunition that does not contain tracer rounds. Players can use these to attack ground targets or unsuspecting enemy aircraft.
-* General ''Flight'' ''Performance'': The S17BS is relatively slow and sluggish. These modifications will help to remedy this issue by increasing its performance. As with all modifications, players can hover over each modification to see exactly how they will affect the vehicle when equipped.
+* Airframe: this modification will increase the aircraft's durability, giving it a higher chance to return to the airfield even if damaged.
-* ''Cover'': This ''Survivability'' modification will both improve the aircraft's performance and durability.
+* Turret 8 mm: this modification is very similar to the previous modification and will give the player access to other ammunition belt types. It is recommended to take Armored Targets belts for increased damage against aircraft with armour or solid structures.
-* ''New 8 mm MGs'' and ''New 8 mm MGs (turret)'': Equipping these modifications will improve the aircraft's weaponry for increased reliability and accuracy.
+* Flight Performance modifications: the S17BS is relatively slow and sluggish. These modifications will help to remedy this issue by increasing its performance. As with all modifications, players can hover over each modification to see exactly how they will affect the vehicle when equipped.
 == Armaments ==
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The B17BS is fitted with two forward facing machine guns, allowing players to dispatch lightly armoured ground targets and lone enemy aircraft. With the option to load 9x 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. One thing to note about this aircraft is its sluggish manoeuvrability and low maximum speed. Unlike faster and more potently armed planes, this aircraft is often played methodically, away from the center of the battlefield. In Arcade battles, the bombsight allows for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bombsight means you can stay at relatively high altitudes without endangering yourself.
+The B17BS is fitted with two forward facing machine guns, allowing players to dispatch lightly-armoured ground targets and lone enemy aircraft. With the option to load 9 x 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's sluggish manoeuvrability and low maximum speed. Unlike faster and more potently armed planes, this aircraft is often played methodically, away from the centre of the battlefield. In Arcade battles, the bombsight allows for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bombsight means you can stay at relatively high altitudes without endangering yourself.
-Should an enemy attempt to attack you, you can dive away in order to gain speed for an escape. The S17BS's firepower is adequate but not excellent, meaning head-on attacks can be dangerous. If the enemy is attacking from the rear, players can utilize the rear gunner. This gunner may be able to deter or destroy enemy fighters, especially if they are biplanes which are often unarmored. If the enemy aircraft presses the attack, you can evade shots by wiggling the aircraft around in order to throw off their aim. The S17BS has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and can even withstand a few 20 mm cannon rounds.
+Should an enemy attempt to attack you, you can dive away in order to gain speed for an escape. The S17BS's firepower is adequate but not excellent, meaning head-on attacks can be dangerous. If the enemy is attacking from the rear, players can utilize the rear gunner. This gunner may be able to deter or destroy enemy fighters, especially if they are biplanes which are often unarmoured. If the enemy aircraft presses the attack, you can evade shots by wiggling the aircraft around in order to throw off their aim. The S17BS has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and can even withstand a few 20 mm cannon rounds.
-Overall, the S17BS is a serviceable light attacker, as long as its pilots do not fly it into situations that it struggles in.
+Overall, the plane is a serviceable light attacker.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Relatively durable against light machine guns
 * Can land and float on water
-* 9 x 50 kg Sb m/42 bombs for bombing ground targets
+* 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs for bombing ground targets
 * Bombsight can increase bombing accuracy
 '''Cons:'''
-* Relatively slow
+* Slow and large target profile
 * Poor manoeuvrability
-* Relatively large target profile
+* Can only carry small bombs
 * Very light defensive armament with limited firing angles
 * Floats create more drag, making the B-17BS slower than the [[B17B]] and the [[B17A]]
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-'''Related development'''
+;Related development
 * [[B17 (Family)]]
-'''Aircraft of similar configuration or role'''
+;Aircraft of similar configuration or role
 * [[Ar 196 A-5 (Sweden)]]

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The land-based SAAB 17 was the first all-metal stressed-skin aircraft developed in Sweden, introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the [[B17B]], it was designed for reconnaissance and it featured photographic equipment, it replaced the landing gear with floats and the original engine by a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The land-based [[B17 (Family)|SAAB 17]] was the first all-metal stressed-skin aircraft developed in Sweden, introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the [[B17B]], featured photographic equipment for reconnaissance. The variant also replaced the main landing gear with floats and the original engine with a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
-It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a slow and sluggish bomber. It has access to 2 x forward mounting machine guns, which are an adequate armament for its BR. It is more capable at ground attack however, with access to 9 x 50 kg bombs. It has also access to a bomb sight, which means that dropping bombs with precision shouldn't be an issue. In air battles, the bombs are particularly useful against light fortifications and vehicle columns.
+The S17BS was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a single engine hydroplane reconnaissance bomber. Its armament consists of two 8 mm [[Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm)|Ksp m/22 Fh]]/[[Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)|Fv]] fixed forward-facing machine guns, and one 8 mm [[Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)|Ksp m/22-37 R]] machine gun in the tail gun position. The S17BS can use these weapons to attack unarmored ground targets and defend itself against enemies. The aircraft also carries 9 x 50 kg [[Sb m/42 (50 kg)|Sb m/42]] bombs which can be used to destroy ground targets, as long as they are dropped accurately. In order to increase accuracy, players can use the aircraft's bomb sight. Due to its relatively sluggish performance and light armament, it is not recommended to engage enemy fighters in the S17BS.
 == General info ==
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 === Modifications and economy ===
-{{Specs-Economy}}
+{{Specs-Economy}}As the S17BS is a relatively simple aircraft, the progress of obtaining its modifications is also quite simple. One recommended order of research is as follows:
 == Armaments ==
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The B17BS has two forward facing machine guns, allowing you to dispatch lone enemies or lightly armoured ground targets. With the option to load 9 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's manoeuvrability or speed. It is a slow and methodical plane that requires to gear down from faster and more potently armed planes. In arcade battles, the bombs allow for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bomb sight means you can stay relatively high without endangering yourself. Should an enemy attempt an attack on you, dive away as quickly as possible. You do not have the turn speed nor the firepower for head-on attacks. The rear gunner, especially if armed with armour-piercing bullets, might prove enough of a deterrent for fabric biplanes. If the enemy plane persists in its desire to shoot down the B17BS, evade the shots by wiggling around. The plane has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and has the strength to withstand a few poorly placed 20 mm cannon shots. Overall, the plane is a serviceable light attacker.
+The B17BS is fitted with two forward facing machine guns, allowing players to dispatch lightly armoured ground targets and lone enemy aircraft. With the option to load 9x 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. One thing to note about this aircraft is its sluggish manoeuvrability and low maximum speed. Unlike faster and more potently armed planes, this aircraft is often played methodically, away from the center of the battlefield. In Arcade battles, the bombsight allows for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bombsight means you can stay at relatively high altitudes without endangering yourself.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Can land/float on water, unlike its [[B17 (Family)|brothers]]
+* Relatively durable against light machine guns
-* Great for bombing anti-aircraft vehicles and light pillboxes
+* Can land and float on water
-* The 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs perform well in Ground RB
+* 9 x 50 kg Sb m/42 bombs for bombing ground targets
 '''Cons:'''
-* Slow and large target profile
+* Relatively slow
 * Poor manoeuvrability
-* Small bomb load
+* Relatively large target profile
-* Has weak defensive armament
+* Can only carry relatively small bombs
 * Floats create more drag, making the B-17BS slower than the [[B17B]] and the [[B17A]]
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+'''Related development'''
-* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
+'''Aircraft of similar configuration or role'''
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 == External links ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The original aircraft was known as SAAB 17 and was based on land and not on water. It was the first all-metal stressed skin aircraft developed in Sweden and it was introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the B17B, it was designed for reconnaissance and it featured photographic equipment, it replaced the landing gear with floats and the original engine by a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The land-based SAAB 17 was the first all-metal stressed-skin aircraft developed in Sweden, introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the [[B17B]], it was designed for reconnaissance and it featured photographic equipment, it replaced the landing gear with floats and the original engine by a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
-It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}'''is a slow and very junky bomber. It has access to 2 x forward mounting machine guns, which are an adequate armament for its BR. It is more capable at ground attack however, with access to 9 x 50KG bombs. It has also access to a bomb sight, which means that dropping bombs with precision shouldn't be an issue. In air battles the bombs are particularly useful against light fortifications and vehicle columns.
+It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a slow and sluggish bomber. It has access to 2 x forward mounting machine guns, which are an adequate armament for its BR. It is more capable at ground attack however, with access to 9 x 50 kg bombs. It has also access to a bomb sight, which means that dropping bombs with precision shouldn't be an issue. In air battles, the bombs are particularly useful against light fortifications and vehicle columns.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The original aircraft was known as SAAB 17 and was based on land and not on water. It was the first all-metal stressed skin aircraft developed in Sweden and it was introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the B17B, it was designed for reconnaissance and it featured photographic equipment, it replaced the landing gear with floats and the original engine by a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
 == General info ==

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-While seeming unimposing, the ''[https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=saab_b17bs {{PAGENAME}}]'' is not a bad plane. It has two forward facing machine guns, allowing you to dispatch lone enemies or lightly armoured ground targets. With the option to load 9 50 kg bombs, the [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=saab_b17bs ''{{PAGENAME}}''] becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's maneuverability or speed. It is a slow and methodical plane that requires to gear down from faster and more potently armed planes. In arcade battles, the bombs allow for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly armoured vehicles. Having a bomb sight means you can stay relatively high without endangering yourself. Should an enemy attempt an attack on you, dive away as quickly as possible. You do not have the turn speed nor the firepower for head-on attacks. The rear gunner, especially if armed with armour piercing bullets, might prove enough of a deterrent for fabric biplanes. If the attacker persists his desire to shoot down the [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=saab_b17bs ''{{PAGENAME}}''], wiggle around. The plane has a sturdy enough construction to resist low calibre rifle rounds and has the strength to withstand a few poorly placed 20 mm cannon shots. When the [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=saab_b17bs ''{{PAGENAME}}''] comes under enemy fire, it isn't unusual to lose the two water landing pontoons, which actually benefits the flight characteristics of the plane. Overall, the plane is a serviceable 1.3 light attacker.
+The B17BS has two forward facing machine guns, allowing you to dispatch lone enemies or lightly armoured ground targets. With the option to load 9 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's manoeuvrability or speed. It is a slow and methodical plane that requires to gear down from faster and more potently armed planes. In arcade battles, the bombs allow for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bomb sight means you can stay relatively high without endangering yourself. Should an enemy attempt an attack on you, dive away as quickly as possible. You do not have the turn speed nor the firepower for head-on attacks. The rear gunner, especially if armed with armour-piercing bullets, might prove enough of a deterrent for fabric biplanes. If the enemy plane persists in its desire to shoot down the B17BS, evade the shots by wiggling around. The plane has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and has the strength to withstand a few poorly placed 20 mm cannon shots. Overall, the plane is a serviceable light attacker.
 === Manual Engine Control ===

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-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=sweden&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=bomber&vehicle=saab_b17bs Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=saab_b17bs Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 * Can land/float on water, unlike its [[B17 (Family)|brothers]]
 * Great for bombing anti-aircraft vehicles and light pillboxes
-* Although floats create more drag, it can easily be removed by over-speeding
+* The 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs perform well in Ground RB
 '''Cons:'''
 * Slow and large target profile
-* Mediocre manoeuvrability
+* Poor manoeuvrability
 * Small bomb load
 * Has weak defensive armament
-* Floats create more drag; consequently, slower than the [[B17B]] and the [[B17A]]
+* Floats create more drag, making the B-17BS slower than the [[B17B]] and the [[B17A]]
 == History ==
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 == Media ==
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-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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