Rochev - Revision history

U9202753: Specs-Card ArtImage added.

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‎Description

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‎Media: Added skins

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U6741341: fix typo

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fix typo

U28580205 at 14:18, 28 January 2024

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U120313908: Expanded Description and Pros section of previous contribution

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Expanded Description and Pros section of previous contribution

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 |code=il_m109a1
-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
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 ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.''
-{{tankMobility}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=575|rbMinHp=358}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 === Machine guns ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Weapon|2}}
 <!-- ''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.'' -->
 {{main|M2HB (12.7 mm)|M1919A4 (7.62 mm)}}
-The machine guns in the Rochev consist of a 12.7mm M2HB and a 7.62mm M1919A4, this guns are not powerful enough to deal with ground targets and don't have enough power to deal with most aircrafts. However they can be used to some extent to destroy the tracks or tires of enemy vehicles.
+The machine guns in the Rochev consist of a 12.7 mm M2HB and a 7.62 mm M1919A4. These guns are not powerful enough to deal with ground targets and don't have enough power to deal with most aircraft; however, they can be used to some extent to destroy the tracks or tires of enemy vehicles.
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| || ___ (___) || ___ || __° || __°
+| Coaxial || 1,000 (200) || 575 || - || -
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| || ___ (___) || ___ || __° || __°
+| Pintle || 1,000 (250) || 500 || -10°/+30° || ±180°
 |-
 |}
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Rochev should be played like the regular M109. This means that, since it lacks the precision and the agility to be used as a frontline vehicle it works best in the back of your team and flanking under the cover of conventional main battle tanks.
+The Rochev should be played like the regular M109. This means that, since it lacks the precision and the agility to be used as a frontline vehicle, it works best in the back of your team and flanking under the cover of conventional main battle tanks.
-The HE shell in the Rochev is powerful enough to deal with most enemies, however this comes at the cost of precision. You dont have a laser rangefinder or a stabilizer in your cannon. Thus if you want to attack enemy positions, be aware of your surroundings and try to hear the engine sounds coming from enemy tanks. Getting to a good position at the middle of the map or in the sides that allows you to have a good field of view is an excellent tactic with this vehicle, alternatively you can also defend a certain capture point, helping your team while they deal with the main enemy force.
+The HE shell in the Rochev is powerful enough to deal with most enemies, however this comes at the cost of precision. You don't have a laser rangefinder or a stabilizer in your cannon. Thus, if you want to attack enemy positions, be aware of your surroundings and try to hear the engine sounds coming from enemy tanks. Getting to a good position at the middle of the map or in the sides that allows you to have a good field of view is an excellent tactic with this vehicle, alternatively you can also defend a certain capture point, helping your team while they deal with the main enemy force.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Crammed crew compartment, which translates to poor survivability
 * Low fire rate at less than 4 rounds per minute
-* No access to a stabilizer or dedicated anti tank shells
+* No access to a stabilizer or dedicated anti-tank shells
 == History ==

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''Rochev''' was the name given by the IDF to the M109 self-propelled howitzer. They received the M109 before the Yom Kippur War of 1973, and the nickname  was associated with the variants from M109 to M109A2. Most of differences between all of these variants were internal, especially regarding the shell loading system. While the early M109 was used during the Yom Kippur War and Lebanon War of 1982, by the 2006 Lebanon War, only the longer barrel M109 with the new M185 cannon was still in service, with some field modifications to improve quality of life and or survivability of the crew, like extra machine guns or outside storage compartments.
+The '''Rochev''' was the name given by the IDF to the M109 self-propelled howitzer. They received the M109 before the Yom Kippur War of 1973, and the nickname was associated with the variants from M109 to M109A2. Most of the differences between all of these variants were internal, especially regarding the shell loading system. While the early M109 was used during the Yom Kippur War and Lebanon War of 1982, by the 2006 Lebanon War, only the longer barrel M109 with the new M185 cannon was still in service, with some field modifications to improve quality of life and or survivability of the crew, like extra machine guns or outside storage compartments.
-Introduced in [[Update "Air Superiority"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is very similar to the normal M109 in the Israeli tech tree, acting as a direct, if slight, upgrade. It features a new M185 cannon of the same 155mm calibre as the regular M109 with the same shells. This means that while penetration is not improved, muzzle velocity is, making aiming and long range shots easier with this vehicle. An additional barrel-mounted 7.62mm machine gun helps moving down obstacles and some unarmored vehicles and can be used as a rangefinding help. The lack of significant armor and long reload time leads to poor survivability, however the high explosive shell is powerful enough to deal with most MBTs if aimed properly and lighter vehicles stand very little chance.
+Introduced in [[Update "Air Superiority"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is very similar to the normal [[M109 (Israel)|M109]] in the Israeli tech tree, acting as a direct, if slight, upgrade. It features a new M185 cannon of the same 155 mm calibre as the regular M109 with the same shells. This means that while penetration is not improved, muzzle velocity is, making aiming and long range shots easier with this vehicle. An additional barrel-mounted 7.62 mm machine gun helps in mowing down obstacles and some unarmoured vehicles and can be used as a rangefinding help. The lack of significant armour and long reload time leads to poor survivability, however the high explosive shell is powerful enough to deal with most MBTs if aimed properly and lighter vehicles stand very little chance.
 == General info ==
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 The Rochev should be played like the regular M109. This means that, since it lacks the precision and the agility to be used as a frontline vehicle it works best in the back of your team and flanking under the cover of conventional main battle tanks.
 The HE shell in the Rochev is powerful enough to deal with most enemies, however this comes at the cost of precision. You dont have a laser rangefinder or a stabilizer in your cannon. Thus if you want to attack enemy positions, be aware of your surroundings and try to hear the engine sounds coming from enemy tanks. Getting to a good position at the middle of the map or in the sides that allows you to have a good field of view is an excellent tactic with this vehicle, alternatively you can also defend a certain capture point, helping your team while they deal with the main enemy force.

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''Rochev''' was the name given by the IDF to the M109 self-propelled howitzer gun. They received the M109 before the Yom Kippur War of 1973, and the nickname  was associated with the variants from M109 to M109A2. Most of differences between all of these variants were internal and especially regarding the shell loading system. While the early M109 was used during the Yom Kippur War and Lebanon War of 1982, by the 2006 Lebanon War, only the longer barrel M109s with the new M185 cannon were still in service, with some field modifications to improve quality of life and or survivability of the crew, like extra machine guns or outside storage compartments.
+The '''Rochev''' was the name given by the IDF to the M109 self-propelled howitzer. They received the M109 before the Yom Kippur War of 1973, and the nickname  was associated with the variants from M109 to M109A2. Most of differences between all of these variants were internal, especially regarding the shell loading system. While the early M109 was used during the Yom Kippur War and Lebanon War of 1982, by the 2006 Lebanon War, only the longer barrel M109 with the new M185 cannon was still in service, with some field modifications to improve quality of life and or survivability of the crew, like extra machine guns or outside storage compartments.
-Introduced in [[Update "Air Superiority"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is very similar to the normal M109 in the Israeli tech tree. It features a new cannon specifically the M185 cannon that is of the same 155 mm calibre of the regular gun of the M109. This means that the penetration is not improved but the shows have actually a longer range and the higher speed so aiming is much easier with this vehicle. The addition of more machine guns increase the ability of this vehicle to deal with close air support and light attack planes like the P-51 and BF 109 that can be relatively easily destroyed with a precise shot of heavy machine gun. Still the tank has relatively poor survivability and the reload time is quite large, however the high explosive shell is powerful enough to deal with most MBTs if aimed properly. No need to mention that like tanks like the AML-90 and the AMX-13 stand very little chance against your high explosive shells since their lack of armour make them extremely vulnerable to this kind of projectiles.
+Introduced in [[Update "Air Superiority"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is very similar to the normal M109 in the Israeli tech tree, acting as a direct, if slight, upgrade. It features a new M185 cannon of the same 155mm calibre as the regular M109 with the same shells. This means that while penetration is not improved, muzzle velocity is, making aiming and long range shots easier with this vehicle. An additional barrel-mounted 7.62mm machine gun helps moving down obstacles and some unarmored vehicles and can be used as a rangefinding help. The lack of significant armor and long reload time leads to poor survivability, however the high explosive shell is powerful enough to deal with most MBTs if aimed properly and lighter vehicles stand very little chance.
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=il_m109a1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[M109 (Family)]]

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 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
+;Related development
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* [[M109 (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 The '''Rochev''' was the name given by the IDF to the M109 self-propelled howitzer gun. They received the M109 before the Yom Kippur War of 1973, and the nickname  was associated with the variants from M109 to M109A2. Most of differences between all of these variants were internal and especially regarding the shell loading system. While the early M109 was used during the Yom Kippur War and Lebanon War of 1982, by the 2006 Lebanon War, only the longer barrel M109s with the new M185 cannon were still in service, with some field modifications to improve quality of life and or survivability of the crew, like extra machine guns or outside storage compartments.
-Introduced in [[Update "Air Superiority"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is very similar to the normal M109 in the Israeli tech tree. It features a new cannon specifically the M185 cannon that is of the same 155 millimetre calibre of the regular gun of the M109. This means that the penetration is not improved but the shows have actually a longer range and the higher speed so aiming is much easier with this vehicle. The addition of more machine guns increase the ability of this vehicle to deal with close air support and light attack planes like the P-51 and BF 109 that can be relatively easily destroyed with a precise shot of heavy machine gun. Still the tank has relatively poor survivability and the reload time is quite large, however the high explosive shell is powerful enough to deal with most MBTs if aimed properly. No need to mention that like tanks like the AML-90 and the AMX-13 stand very little chance against your high explosive shells since their lack of farmer make them extremely vulnerable to this kind of projectiles.
+Introduced in [[Update "Air Superiority"]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is very similar to the normal M109 in the Israeli tech tree. It features a new cannon specifically the M185 cannon that is of the same 155 millimetre calibre of the regular gun of the M109. This means that the penetration is not improved but the shows have actually a longer range and the higher speed so aiming is much easier with this vehicle. The addition of more machine guns increase the ability of this vehicle to deal with close air support and light attack planes like the P-51 and BF 109 that can be relatively easily destroyed with a precise shot of heavy machine gun. Still the tank has relatively poor survivability and the reload time is quite large, however the high explosive shell is powerful enough to deal with most MBTs if aimed properly. No need to mention that like tanks like the AML-90 and the AMX-13 stand very little chance against your high explosive shells since their lack of armor make them extremely vulnerable to this kind of projectiles.
 == General info ==
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 '''Pros:'''
 * Powerful 155mm HE shell, capable of dealing with most tanks
 * Decent mobility for an SPG
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 '''Cons:'''
 * Very little armour against anything higher than 20 mm shots
 * Crammed crew compartment, which translates to poor survivability

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-It was introduced in [[Update "Air Superiority"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is very similar to the normal M109 in the Israeli tech tree. It features a new cannon specifically the M185 cannon that is of the same 155 millimetre calibre of the regular gun of the M109. This means that the penetration is not improved but the shows have actually a longer range and the higher speed so aiming is much easier with this vehicle. The addition of more HMG's and the like machine gun increases the ability of this vehicle to deal with close air support and light attack planes like the P51 and BF 109 that can be relatively easily destroyed with a precise shot of heavy machine gun. Still the tank has relatively poor survivability and the reload time is quite large however the high explosive shell is powerful enough to deal with most MBTs if aimed properly. No need to mention that like tanks like the AML-90 and the AMX-13 stand very little chance against your high explosive shells since their lack of farmer make them extremely vulnerable to this kind of projectiles.
+The '''Rochev''' was the name given by the IDF to the M109 self-propelled howitzer gun. They received the M109 before the Yom Kippur War of 1973, and the nickname  was associated with the variants from M109 to M109A2. Most of differences between all of these variants were internal and especially regarding the shell loading system. While the early M109 was used during the Yom Kippur War and Lebanon War of 1982, by the 2006 Lebanon War, only the longer barrel M109s with the new M185 cannon were still in service, with some field modifications to improve quality of life and or survivability of the crew, like extra machine guns or outside storage compartments.
 == General info ==
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || 32 mm (74°) ''upper glacis''
+| Hull || 32 mm (74°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 32 mm (19°) ''Transmission''|| 32 mm  || 32 mm  || 32 mm
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 | Turret || 32 mm (24°) ''Turret front'' <br> 32 mm (4°-11°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 32 mm || 32 mm || 32 mm
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 === Pros and cons ===
-<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->'''Pros:'''
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 * Powerful 155mm HE shell, capable of dealing with most tanks
-* Decent mobility for an SPAG
+* Decent mobility for an SPG
 * Access to smoke shells and a long range, useful to create smoke screens in the middle of the map
 * More machine guns compared to the previous M109
 * Longer range and thus easier aim, compared to the smaller barrel M109s
 '''Cons:'''
+* Very little armour against anything higher than 20 mm shots
 * Crammed crew compartment, which translates to poor survivability
 * Low fire rate at less than 4 rounds per minute
 * No access to a stabilizer or dedicated anti tank shells
 == History ==