QF 17-pounder (76 mm) - Revision history

U31139476 at 01:24, 25 February 2024

2024-02-25T01:24:44Z

U39063658: I found this page still in its autogenerated, detail-less state and this made me sad because this gun is very based.

2024-02-23T07:04:24Z

I found this page still in its autogenerated, detail-less state and this made me sad because this gun is very based.

U44629479: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */ Added Centurion Mk.2

2023-05-15T17:32:56Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon: Added Centurion Mk.2

U44629479: Edits

2023-03-20T17:00:25Z

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U128413528: /* Pros and cons */

2023-03-20T15:17:24Z

‎Pros and cons

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U80031109: Added much more to pros and cons

2020-08-04T17:07:13Z

Added much more to pros and cons

U38088265: Updated for 1.99

2020-05-28T13:56:24Z

Updated for 1.99

U38088265: Edits

2020-04-10T16:45:11Z

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U38088265: U38088265 moved page Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm) to QF 17-pounder (76 mm): Renamed to match in-game name

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U38088265 moved page Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm) to QF 17-pounder (76 mm): Renamed to match in-game name

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 The British '''Quickfire 17-pounder (76mm)''' is the British army's salvation from the woefully weak [[QF 2-pounder (40 mm)]] guns found on most early British tanks. The QF 17pdr is one of the most powerful rifled tank cannons in the entire game, and its presence as the main gun across 4 full battle ratings of vehicles (from Tank Destroyers to Medium Tanks) demonstrates how formidable it is, remaining viable and competitive even at battle ratings where HEAT-FS rounds begin to become prevalent.
-At the lower BRs where it first appears, the gun's AP and APCBC shots can cause so much spalling on penetration that the destructive effects can often feel similar to APHE rounds, completely obliterating vehicle hulls and turrets. However, as battle ratings rise and armor becomes thicker, the gun's limitation to only firing firing solid AP rounds (minus the one HE shell used mostly against SPAAs) becomes more apparent: effective performance requires much more precise than other guns. As such, when using vehicles with this gun, and ''especially'' when using the SV Mk.1 APDS round, scoring kills on enemy vehicles often requires either multiple shots (disabling first the Gunner or Gun Breech, and then other crew members), or requires a precisely aimed shot on the enemy's ammunition rack. Studying the internal layout of enemy vehicles is highly recommended.
+At the lower BRs where it first appears, the gun's AP and APCBC shots can cause so much spalling on penetration that the destructive effects can often feel similar to APHE rounds, completely obliterating vehicle hulls and turrets. However, as battle ratings rise and armour becomes thicker, the gun's limitation to only firing solid AP rounds (minus the one HE shell used mostly against SPAAs) becomes more apparent: effective performance requires much more precision than other guns. As such, when using vehicles with this gun, and <nowiki>''</nowiki>especially<nowiki>''</nowiki> when using the SV Mk.1 APDS round, scoring kills on enemy vehicles often requires either multiple shots (disabling first the Gunner or Gun Breech, and then other crew members), or requires a precisely aimed shot on the enemy's ammunition rack. Studying the internal layout of enemy vehicles is highly recommended.
-The Shot SV Mk.1 APDS deserves special attention among the gun's available ammo types. 269mm penetration at point-blank is one of the highest penetration values of any rifled gun using non-fin-stabilized or non-chemical ammunition. And unlike lower-tier APCR shot, which struggles to inflict damage even after a penetration, SV Mk.1 APDS rounds are able to, with extreme consistency, destroy any single component they hit. And with the shot's high ricochet angle of 75-80°, while many heavy tanks ''frontal'' armor can still be too thick to penetrate, their ''side'' armor can be punched through even from a fairly steep angle.
+The Shot SV Mk.1 APDS deserves special attention among the gun's available ammo types. 269mm penetration at point-blank is one of the highest penetration values of any rifled gun using non-fin-stabilized or non-chemical ammunition. And unlike lower-tier APCR shot, which struggles to inflict damage even after a penetration, SV Mk.1 APDS rounds can, with extreme consistency, destroy any single component they hit. And with the shot's high ricochet angle of 75-80°, while many heavy tanks <nowiki>''</nowiki>frontal<nowiki>''</nowiki> armour can still be too thick to penetrate, their <nowiki>''</nowiki>side<nowiki>''</nowiki> armour can be punched through even from a fairly steep angle.
 === Available ammunition ===
 {{:QF 17-pounder (76 mm)/Ammunition|Shot Mk.6, Shell Mk.1, Shot Mk.4, Shot Mk.8, Shot SV Mk.1, 17pdr Shell SS Mk.1}}
 * '''Shot Mk.6:''' {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} - Standard penetrating round, use until better rounds are unlocked.
-* '''Shell Mk.1:''' {{Annotation|HE|High-explosive}} - High-explosive shell ideal for destroying SPAA and lightly armoured or open-turret tanks, but useless against any armor.
+* '''Shell Mk.1:''' {{Annotation|HE|High-explosive}} - High-explosive shell ideal for destroying SPAA and lightly armoured or open-turret tanks, but useless against any armour.
 * '''Shot Mk.4:''' {{Annotation|APC|Armour-piercing capped}} - Cap for better grip against sloped armour.
 * '''Shot Mk.8:''' {{Annotation|APCBC|Armour-piercing capped ballistic capped}} - Like Shot Mk.4 but with a ballistic cap for improved flight path, as well as better penetration.
-* '''Shot SV Mk.1''' {{Annotation|APDS|Armor-piercing discarding sabot}} - Sacrifices some of the Shot Mk.8's post-penetration damage in exchange for higher velocity and extremely high armor penetration. Not available on vehicles lower than BR 6.0/Tier 4.
+* '''Shot SV Mk.1''' {{Annotation|APDS|Armor-piercing discarding sabot}} - Sacrifices some of the Shot Mk.8's post-penetration damage in exchange for higher velocity and extremely high armour  penetration. Not available on vehicles lower than BR 6.0/Tier 4.
 * '''17pdr Shell SS Mk.1''' {{Annotation|Smoke|Smoke shell}} - Smokescreen shell, for line of sight denial
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 == Usage in battles ==
-This gun is ''the'' defining gun of the British tech tree from BR 3.7 up to 6.7, outside of the high-caliber HE rounds found on the BR 6.3 tank destroyers. As such this advice applies both to this gun, and to playing mid-tier British tanks in general.
+This gun is <nowiki>''</nowiki>the<nowiki>''</nowiki> defining gun of the British tech tree from BR 3.7 up to 6.7, outside of the high-calibre HE rounds found on the BR 6.3 tank destroyers. As such this advice applies both to this gun and to playing mid-tier British tanks in general.
 * At lower tiers when it's first available, you'll be using the very hard-hitting AP and APCBC rounds. These rounds have high penetration and cause massive spalling, but cannot go straight through the front of a heavy tank's turret. (A medium tank though? Very likely.) All of the vehicles that have this gun have at least ''reasonably'' good mobility though; use this to line up shots on the sides of enemies, and blast their entire turret crew in a single hit.
 * At middle tiers you'll start to encounter tanks with 5-shot First-Stage Ammo Racks. This means that you can engage one or more enemies but you only get about 5 shots; after those your reload time roughly doubles. Keep this limitation in mind and know that you'll need to take advantage of that aforementioned mobility to take cover and reposition in between engagements, allowing your first-stage rack to refill.
-* At higher tiers where APDS is available and necessary, this gun changes from a hammer to a scalpel. You ''can'' pen enemy tanks even at angles, but you must pen ''the right spot.'' As noted above, the relative lack of spalling caused by the thin Sabot round means that a single shot will likely only disable 1-3 internal components at best. Learn where ammo racks are, or failing that, learn critical crew positions. On ''most'' vehicles, the gunner is on the right side of the turret (relative to your view head-on). If you can't line up an ammo rack shot, at least be sure to knock out the enemy's gunner, ensuring you have the chance to fire a second shot. If you don't kill the enemy with the 2nd shot, ''move''. Crewmate repositioning time to replace a knocked out gunner is only slightly longer than the time fired to reload and take that second shot; meaning that the enemy's gun will come back online before you can fire a 3rd shot. Don't be in their crosshairs when that happens.
+* At higher tiers where APDS is available and necessary, this gun changes from a hammer to a scalpel. You ''can'' pen enemy tanks even at angles, but you must pen ''the right spot.'' As noted above, the relative lack of spalling caused by the thin Sabot round means that a single shot will likely only disable 1-3 internal components at best. Learn where ammo racks are, or failing that, learn critical crew positions. On ''most'' vehicles, the gunner is on the right side of the turret (relative to your view head-on). If you can't line up an ammo rack shot, at least be sure to knock out the enemy's gunner, ensuring you have the chance to fire a second shot. If you don't kill the enemy with the 2nd shot, ''move''. Crewmate repositioning time to replace a knocked-out gunner is only slightly longer than the time fired to reload and take that second shot; meaning that the enemy's gun will come back online before you can fire a 3rd shot. Don't be in their crosshairs when that happens.
-* Against completely unarmored vehicles like the [[8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl.|8.8 Flak truck]] or most SPAAs, your AP and APDS rounds will prove almost completely ineffective; armor piercing rounds rely on spalling and densely-packed crew, and unarmored vehicles have spaced-out crew and don't have enough metal on them to spall. For this reason, always carry 3-4 Mk.1 HE Shells, and if there's an SPAA or 8.8 Flak lurking around, load an HE shell and flatten them. (Since this gun is mounted to British vehicles, you don't usually have the might of an American 12.7mm machinegun to back you up here.)
+* Against completely unarmored vehicles like the [[8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl.|8.8 Flak truck]] or most SPAAs, your AP and APDS rounds will prove almost completely ineffective; armour-piercing rounds rely on spalling and densely-packed crew, and unarmored vehicles have a spaced-out crew and don't have enough metal on them to spall. For this reason, always carry 3-4 Mk.1 HE Shells, and if there's an SPAA or 8.8 Flak lurking around, load an HE shell and flatten them. (Since this gun is mounted to British vehicles, you don't usually have the might of an American 12.7mm machine gun to back you up here.)
-One of the most favored targets of this gun is the entire German Tiger line. Tigers have fairly thick frontal armor, but this gun was built to kill Tigers and its rounds will go right through their hulls. As a result, this gun makes for an excellent way of testing of how skilled an opposing Tiger commander is: Aim for the right-front flat plate of hull armor. If the enemy commander is smart, you'll likely just knock out his gunner. If the commander is not smart though (and brought too much ammo), you'll slam right into their front ammo rack and detonate it immediately.
+One of the most favoured targets of this gun is the entire German Tiger line. Tigers have fairly thick frontal armour, but this gun was built to kill Tigers and its rounds will go right through their hulls. As a result, this gun makes for an excellent way of testing how skilled an opposing Tiger commander is: Aim for the right-front flat plate of hull armour. If the enemy commander is smart, you'll likely just knock out his gunner. If the commander is not smart though (and brought too much ammo), you'll slam right into their front ammo rack and detonate it immediately.
-Two of the least favorite targets of this gun are the USSR T25, and American M4A3E2 Jumbo Sherman. Both of these tanks have massive plates of frontal armor which even your APDS rounds cannot penetrate; if you find yourself in the sights of either of these tanks you are likely going to die.
+Two of the least favorite targets of this gun are the USSR T25 and American M4A3E2 Jumbo Sherman. Both of these tanks have massive plates of frontal armor which even your APDS rounds cannot penetrate; if you find yourself in the sights of either of these tanks you are likely going to die.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 == General info ==
-''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''
+The British '''Quickfire 17-pounder (76mm)''' is the British army's salvation from the woefully weak [[QF 2-pounder (40 mm)]] guns found on most early British tanks. The QF 17pdr is one of the most powerful rifled tank cannons in the entire game, and its presence as the main gun across 4 full battle ratings of vehicles (from Tank Destroyers to Medium Tanks) demonstrates how formidable it is, remaining viable and competitive even at battle ratings where HEAT-FS rounds begin to become prevalent.
 === Available ammunition ===
-''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''
+{{:QF 17-pounder (76 mm)/Ammunition|Shot Mk.6, Shell Mk.1, Shot Mk.4, Shot Mk.8, Shot SV Mk.1, 17pdr Shell SS Mk.1}}
 === Comparison with analogues ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
-''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''
+This gun is ''the'' defining gun of the British tech tree from BR 3.7 up to 6.7, outside of the high-caliber HE rounds found on the BR 6.3 tank destroyers. As such this advice applies both to this gun, and to playing mid-tier British tanks in general.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 * High penetration on most rounds
 * Average reload
-* Lack of spread
+* Small dispersion
 * Very powerful APDS round
 '''Cons:'''
-* Lack of APHE
+* Lack of APHE rounds
-* Longer barrel makes it poorly suited to close encounters
+* Long barrel makes it poorly suited to close encounters
 == History ==
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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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-''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
 * ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''

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 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 {{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}
-{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Medium tanks'''}}{{Specs-Link|uk_ac4_thunderbolt}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_centurion_mk_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_a30_challenger}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_sherman_ic_firefly}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_sherman_vc_firefly}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|it_sherman_VII}}
+{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Medium tanks'''}}{{Specs-Link|uk_ac4_thunderbolt}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_centurion_mk_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_a30_challenger}}
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 == Media ==
-''An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
+''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 == Description ==
-''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Make an air or ground vehicles list on which this weapon is installed in our game.''
+''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 {{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Achilles}}{{Specs-Link|uk_17_pdr_m10_achilles}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_17_pdr_m10_achilles_norfolk_yeomanry}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Sherman}}{{Specs-Link|uk_sherman_ic_firefly}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_sherman_vc_firefly}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|it_sherman_VII}}
+{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Medium tanks'''}}{{Specs-Link|uk_ac4_thunderbolt}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_centurion_mk_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_a30_challenger}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_sherman_ic_firefly}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_sherman_vc_firefly}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|it_sherman_VII}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Other}}{{Specs-Link|uk_sp_17_pdr_valentine}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_a30_challenger}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_a30_sp_avenger}}
-{{Navigation-Line|}}{{Specs-Link|uk_ac4_thunderbolt}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_a_43_black_prince}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|uk_centurion_mk_1}}
+{{Navigation-Line|'''Heavy tanks'''}}{{Specs-Link|uk_a_43_black_prince}}
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 ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''
-=== Available shells ===
+=== Available ammunition ===
-''Describe the shells that are available for the cannon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''
+''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''
 === Comparison with analogues ===
-''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns, that have firepower equal to these type of weapons.''
+''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.''
 == Usage in battles ==
-''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against the main opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''
+''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''
 === Pros and cons ===
-''Summarize and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''
+''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''
 '''Pros:'''
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 == History ==
-''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of this weapon. If the historical reference turns out to be too big, take it to a separate article, taking a link to an article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article.''
+''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
 == Media ==
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 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
-* ''encyclopedia page on weapon;''
+* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
 * ''other literature.''
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 [[Category:Tank cannons]]

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