Q-5 early - Revision history

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Reformatted

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‎Suspended armament: Reformatted

U17577377: /* Description */

2023-12-05T12:51:18Z

‎Description

U4656018: Updated and rearranged description

2023-11-21T13:59:33Z

Updated and rearranged description

U44629479: Edits

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U79942984: /* Offensive armament */ Updated gun description.

2022-11-28T08:12:20Z

‎Offensive armament: Updated gun description.

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ Invalid armor thickness

2022-11-12T00:04:17Z

‎Survivability and armour: Invalid armor thickness

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2022-10-28T22:24:05Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U38088265: /* Offensive armament */

2022-09-17T14:56:16Z

‎Offensive armament

U44629479: Edits

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U31139476: Edits

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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-! 250 kg Type 250-2 bombs
+! [[Type 250-2 (250 kg)|250 kg Type 250-2]] bombs
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-! Type 90-1 rockets
+! [[Type 90-1]] rockets
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 The Q-5 early's suspended armaments are an improvement over the J-6A, but nothing spectacular. It can carry four 250 kg bombs, two mounted on fuselage hardpoints and two mounted in the internal bomb bay. These are small for the Q-5's battle rating and four of them is not enough to destroy a single base. In mixed battles, they require more precision against ground targets than the typical 1,000 lb/500 kg bombs used for CAS.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (强-5型强击机; unified NATO codename: Fantan), project name known as the '''Eagle 302 (雄鹰302)''', was the LRIP and first series of Q-5 attackers from 1969. After the capture of coastal islands which were controlled by remnants of National forces, PLAAF Command saw the extensive use of IL-10 a good example of air-land operations when dealing with strongholds, but propeller attackers were already obsolete by the late 1950s where PLAAF has already acquired supersonic jets like MiG-19 and its production license (as J-6). Soon after the introduction of MiG-19 series, PLAAF Command approved for a design during the Great Leap Forward which resembled a MiG-19 but now featured a side intake known as the Dongfeng 106, due to the worsening economy, it would take the engineers another five year to finalize the aerodynamic design and yet another five years for structural redesign. By 1969, the redesigned Q-5 was finally approved by PLAAF and certified as the base model to be produced until 1979 with 515 of them built when Q-5A (Q-5I) overtook the production since 1983.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (强-5型强击机; NATO codename: Fantan), also known as the {{Annotation|Eagle 302|雄鹰302}} project, was the first series of [[Q-5 (Family)|Q-5]] attackers produced from 1969. It was developed after the PLAAF captured some coastal islands from the Nationalist forces and observed the effectiveness of the [[IL-10 (1946) (China)|IL-10]] attackers in air-land operations. However, the propeller-driven IL-10 was outdated by the late 1950s, when the PLAAF had acquired supersonic jets like the MiG-19 and its license-built version, the J-6. The PLAAF approved a design for a jet attacker based on the MiG-19, but with a side intake, called the Dongfeng 106. The design process was delayed by the economic difficulties during the Great Leap Forward and took ten years to complete. The final Q-5 model was accepted by the PLAAF in 1969 and remained in production until 1979, with 515 units built. The [[Q-5A]] variant replaced it in 1983.
-Introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]] as the first Chinese supersonic striker, Q-5 early could be said as a development of the [[J-6A|J-6]]/[[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], the Nanchang Q-5 is the first jet aircraft in the Chinese tech tree of indigenous design. Its wings and rear fuselage still closely resemble the MiG-19 but the new forward fuselage with side-mounted air intakes and a pointed nose give it a distinctive sleek appearance. Designed as an attacker, this early version of the Q-5 has better ground attack ordnance than the J-6A with access to 90 mm rocket pods and up to four 250 kg bombs. It also works well in the air-to-air role, having toned-down flight characteristics and armament compared to the J-6A at a lower battle rating in Realistic Battles. The Q-5 is not the most beginner friendly of aircraft but skilled pilots can still enjoy this iconic piece of Chinese aviation history.
+Introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]] as the first Chinese supersonic striker, the Q-5 early is the first jet aircraft of indigenous design in the Chinese tech tree. It is derived from the [[J-6A|J-6]]/[[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], but it has a new forward fuselage with side-mounted air intakes and a pointed nose, giving it a sleek appearance. It is designed as an attacker, and it has better ground attack ordnance than the J-6A, including 90 mm rocket pods and up to four 250 kg bombs. It can also perform well in air-to-air combat, as it has similar flight characteristics and armament to the J-6A, but at a lower battle rating in Realistic Battles. The Q-5 is not very easy to fly, but skilled pilots can appreciate this iconic piece of Chinese aviation history.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese strike aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (强-5型强击机; unified NATO codename: Fantan), project name known as the '''Eagle 302 (雄鹰302)''', was the LRIP and first series of Q-5 attackers from 1969. After the capture of coastal islands which were controlled by remnants of National forces, PLAAF Command saw the extensive use of IL-10 a good example of air-land operations when dealing with strongholds, but propeller attackers were already obsolete by the late 1950s where PLAAF has already acquired supersonic jets like MiG-19 and its production license (as J-6). Soon after the introduction of MiG-19 series, PLAAF Command approved for a design during the Great Leap Forward which resembled a MiG-19 but now featured a side intake known as the Dongfeng 106, due to the worsening economy, it would take the engineers another five year to finalize the aerodynamic design and yet another five years for structural redesign. By 1969, the redesigned Q-5 was finally approved by PLAAF and certified as the base model to be produced until 1979 with 515 of them built when Q-5A (Q-5I) overtook the production since 1983.
-A development of the [[J-6A|J-6]]/[[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], the Nanchang Q-5 is the first jet aircraft in the Chinese tech tree of indigenous design. Its wings and rear fuselage still closely resemble the MiG-19 but the new forward fuselage with side-mounted air intakes and a pointed nose give it a distinctive sleek appearance. Designed as an attacker, this early version of the Q-5 has better ground attack ordnance than the J-6A with access to 90 mm rocket pods and up to four 250 kg bombs. It also works well in the air-to-air role, having toned-down flight characteristics and armament compared to the J-6A at a lower battle rating in Realistic Battles. The Q-5 is not the most beginner friendly of aircraft but skilled pilots can still enjoy this iconic piece of Chinese aviation history.
+Introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]] as the first Chinese supersonic striker, Q-5 early could be said as a development of the [[J-6A|J-6]]/[[MiG-19PT|MiG-19]], the Nanchang Q-5 is the first jet aircraft in the Chinese tech tree of indigenous design. Its wings and rear fuselage still closely resemble the MiG-19 but the new forward fuselage with side-mounted air intakes and a pointed nose give it a distinctive sleek appearance. Designed as an attacker, this early version of the Q-5 has better ground attack ordnance than the J-6A with access to 90 mm rocket pods and up to four 250 kg bombs. It also works well in the air-to-air role, having toned-down flight characteristics and armament compared to the J-6A at a lower battle rating in Realistic Battles. The Q-5 is not the most beginner friendly of aircraft but skilled pilots can still enjoy this iconic piece of Chinese aviation history.
 Succeeding the Q-5 early is the improved [[Q-5A]], which boasts countermeasures, stronger rockets, and additional engine power.
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 ;Related development
 * [[Q-5 (Family)]]

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 * 2 x 23 mm Type 23-2K cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)
-The original 30 mm [[Type 30-1 (30 mm)|Type 30]]/[[NR-30 (30 mm)|NR-30]] cannons, known for their fearsome firepower, have been replaced with short-barreled 23 mm cannons. The Type 23-2Ks are licensed copies of the Soviet AM-23, which was originally used as a defensive weapon for bombers like the famous Tu-95 "Bear". Compared to the [[NR-23 (23 mm)|NR-23]] seen on earlier Soviet fighters, they have a 28% higher rate of fire. Although they are less powerful than the NR-30 and more difficult to aim, they can still do good work with a bit of luck. Using them against ground targets should not be a priority since their penetration is not much higher than a heavy machine gun and the ammo supply is limited.
+The original 30 mm [[Type 30-1 (30 mm)|Type 30]]/[[NR-30 (30 mm)|NR-30]] cannons, known for their fearsome firepower, have been replaced with short-barreled 23 mm cannons. The Type 23-2K is a licensed copy of the Soviet AM-23, which was originally used as a defensive weapon for bombers like the famous Tu-95 "Bear". Compared to the [[NR-23 (23 mm)|NR-23]] seen on earlier Soviet fighters, it has a 28% higher rate of fire. Although it is less powerful than the NR-30 and more difficult to aim, it can still do good work with a bit of luck. Using the Type 23-2K cannons against ground targets should not be a priority since their penetration is not much higher than a heavy machine gun and the ammo supply is limited.
 The default belt has an even mix of FI-T and AP-I rounds and should be satisfactory from the start. Gun convergence is not a major issue since the cannons are mounted close to the centerline of the aircraft in the wing roots, and is up to personal preference.
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-The Q-5 early's suspended armaments are an improvement over the J-6A, but nothing spectacular. It can carry four 250 kg bombs, two mounted on fuselage hardpoints and two mounted in the internal bomb bay. These are small for the Q-5's battle rating and four of them is not enough to destroy a single base. In mixed battles, they require more precision against ground targets than the typical 1000 lb/500 kg bombs used for CAS.
+The Q-5 early's suspended armaments are an improvement over the J-6A, but nothing spectacular. It can carry four 250 kg bombs, two mounted on fuselage hardpoints and two mounted in the internal bomb bay. These are small for the Q-5's battle rating and four of them is not enough to destroy a single base. In mixed battles, they require more precision against ground targets than the typical 1,000 lb/500 kg bombs used for CAS.
 In addition to the bombs, it can carry a pair of 90 mm rocket pods with seven rockets each. The Type 90-1 rockets are better than the anemic S-5 rockets used by typical Soviet jets and can penetrate 280 mm of armour with 1.03 kg of TNT equivalent, but their capacity is very limited; the contemporary [[A-4E Early]] can carry 171 comparable FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets.
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 Although it was historically an attack aircraft, the Q-5 is not a first-rate ground attacker in Air RB since its ordnance is rather anemic compared to other jets at its battle rating. It cannot destroy a base with its four 250 kg bombs, but this is still an option for supplementary research points when grinding: stay at low altitude, loop around to a side base, drop the bombs, then head towards the center of the map to join the furball. Going after AI ground vehicles with the bombs and rockets can also be successful provided that other jets do not arrive quickly to crash the party.
-When fighting subsonic aircraft, try to enter engagements with a speed advantage. The Q-5 accelerates well and has a high top speed at sea level, so it's not difficult to make a pass and escape afterwards while dodging some fire. If an enemy is catching up to you or is getting too close for comfort, pull them into a climbing spiral or other vertical maneuvers; the Q-5 has enough of the MiG-19's climb and thrust-to-weight to energy fight in a similar manner and a stalled-out target is easier to gun down. Against supersonic aircraft, the Q-5's speed advantage is lessened and it needs to utilize its turn rate and acceleration more.
+When fighting subsonic aircraft, try to enter engagements with a speed advantage. The Q-5 accelerates well and has a high top speed at sea level, so it's not difficult to make a pass and escape afterwards while dodging some fire. If an enemy is catching up to you or is getting too close for comfort, pull them into a climbing spiral or other vertical manoeuvres; the Q-5 has enough of the MiG-19's climb and thrust-to-weight to energy fight in a similar manner and a stalled-out target is easier to gun down. Against supersonic aircraft, the Q-5's speed advantage is lessened and it needs to utilize its turn rate and acceleration more.
 The lack of missiles is a significant drawback since the Q-5 has a difficult time forcing escaping enemies to dodge or shooting down stall-climbing opponents. It also has no countermeasures, so if a [[Harrier GR.1]] with SRAAMs manages to get close on the Q-5's tail, the situation is unlikely to end well. The main selling point of this aircraft in air-to-air combat is its performance as opposed to its weapons or defenses; good situational awareness and judgement are necessary to make the most out of it.
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 Having started production of the Shenyang J-6 - the Chinese version of the Soviet MiG-19 - in 1958, the PLA issued an order to develop a ground attack version of the aircraft in August of the same year. By 1960, design work on the aircraft had concluded, but political turmoil in the country at the time caused prototype construction and further development to be delayed until the mid 1960's.
-In June 1965, the prototype of the aircraft that would become known as the Nanchang Q-5,  first took to the skies for its maiden flight. Following further testing, the decision to put the aircraft into production was made in 1969, while first deliveries began being made in 1970.
+In June 1965, the prototype of the aircraft that would become known as the Nanchang Q-5, first took to the skies for its maiden flight. Following further testing, the decision to put the aircraft into production was made in 1969, while first deliveries began being made in 1970.
 The Q-5 officially entered service with the Chinese Air Force in 1970. Around 100 aircraft of the early versions were built out of a total of around 1,300 aircraft of all variants. However, later models continued service with Chinese forces well into the 2000's. Apart from the PLA, the Q-5 also saw service with Bangladesh, Pakistan, Myanmar, North Korea and Sudan.
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 == See also ==
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
-* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
+;Related development
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* [[Q-5 (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 * 2 x 23 mm Type 23-2K cannons, wing-mounted (120 rpg = 240 total)
-The original 30 mm [[Type 30-1 (30 mm)|Type 30]]/[[NR-30 (30 mm)|NR-30]] cannons, known for their fearsome firepower, have been replaced with 23 mm cannons identical to the [[NR-23 (23 mm)|NR-23]] cannons found on earlier Soviet jets like the [[J-4]]/[[MiG-17]]. These are significantly less powerful due to their lower explosive content, kinetic damage, and muzzle velocity. They typically require a solid burst of hits to destroy a target instead of dismembering enemy fighters with a brief touch. On the bright side, they have more ammunition with about 8 seconds of firing time and the Q-5 early's opponents tend to be slower than the J-6A's. Lead generously and try to get close to your opponent before unloading. Using them against ground targets should not be a priority since their penetration is no higher than a heavy machine gun and the ammo supply is not plentiful, all things considered.
+The original 30 mm [[Type 30-1 (30 mm)|Type 30]]/[[NR-30 (30 mm)|NR-30]] cannons, known for their fearsome firepower, have been replaced with short-barreled 23 mm cannons. The Type 23-2Ks are licensed copies of the Soviet AM-23, which was originally used as a defensive weapon for bombers like the famous Tu-95 "Bear". Compared to the [[NR-23 (23 mm)|NR-23]] seen on earlier Soviet fighters, they have a 28% higher rate of fire. Although they are less powerful than the NR-30 and more difficult to aim, they can still do good work with a bit of luck. Using them against ground targets should not be a priority since their penetration is not much higher than a heavy machine gun and the ammo supply is limited.
 The default belt has an even mix of FI-T and AP-I rounds and should be satisfactory from the start. Gun convergence is not a major issue since the cannons are mounted close to the centerline of the aircraft in the wing roots, and is up to personal preference.

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 * 10 mm steel plate behind nose cone
-* 60 mm bulletproof glass in cockpit front
+* 4.5 + 8 mm bulletproof glass in front of the cockpit
 * 8 mm steel plate underneath cockpit
-* 25 mm steel armoured pilot's seat
+* 16 mm steel armoured pilot's seat
-* 10 + 16 mm steel armoured pilot's headrest
+* 10 + 25 mm steel armoured pilot's headrest
 * Self-sealing fuel tanks behind cockpit and underneath engines in rear fuselage

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 {{main|Type 250-2 (250 kg)|Type 90-1}}
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
 * Without load
 * 4 x 250 kg Type 250-2 bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 14 x Type 90-1 rockets
-* 4 x 250 kg Type 250-2 bombs + 14 x Type 90-1 rockets (1,000 kg total)
 The Q-5 early's suspended armaments are an improvement over the J-6A, but nothing spectacular. It can carry four 250 kg bombs, two mounted on fuselage hardpoints and two mounted in the internal bomb bay. These are small for the Q-5's battle rating and four of them is not enough to destroy a single base. In mixed battles, they require more precision against ground targets than the typical 1000 lb/500 kg bombs used for CAS.

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 * Less powerful ordnance than contemporaries like the [[Su-7B]] or [[F-100D]]
 * Limited fuel capacity
-* No Air-Air Missiles
+* No air-to-air missiles
 == History ==