Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P - Revision history

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‎Pros and cons

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U38088265: /* Main armament */

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‎Main armament

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 ==== Ammunition ====
 * '''Pzgr. 39''' - Stick with this type of shell as it's the best. It will do incredible damage to any encountered tank, except SPAA, AA guns, or AI artillery. It may struggle with some heavier tanks like the IS-1, IS-2, or American heavy tanks at long ranges, but well-placed shots from close range or sides will do the job; all other medium and light tanks will be history as soon as this shell make a contact with them. This shell, however, will almost always over-penetrate all but the most armoured SPAA vehicles, so it is best to use HE or machine gun fire.
 * '''PzGr 40''' - As the APCR round for the gun, this will give the tank the greater edge needed to take out heavily protected tanks.
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 * Has APCR ammunition
 * Reverse speed is just as fast as forward drive
 '''Cons:'''
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_panzerbefelhswagen_VI_P Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Sights
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/post/675135/en/ RideR2's Realistic and semi-realistic gunsight reticles for German vehicles.]
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/post/1043715/en/ Caff_Gunner's (Germany) Historical and semi-historical gun reticles.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[Tiger I (Family)]]
 ** [[VK 45.01 (P)]]
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage2_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 ;Skins

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-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
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 ;Sights
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/post/675135/en/ RideR2's Realistic gunsight (TZF4a, TZF 5a/b/d/e/f/f2, TZF 9b/b1/c/d, TZF 12/a) for Pzkpfw II, Pzkpfw III, Pzkpfw IV, Pzkpfw V, Pzkpfw VI]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/post/675135/en/ RideR2's Realistic and semi-realistic gunsight reticles for German vehicles.]
 == See also ==

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 * '''Sprgr. L/4.5''' - The HE shell is completely ineffective against all but SPAA and the machine gun mounted on the Tiger has proven quite capable of dealing with these. Keep a small supply of this shell on hand if planning to flank the enemy and take out their SPAA or artillery, but avoid them for everything else.
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:KwK36 (88 mm)/Ammunition|PzGr 39, PzGr 40, Hl.Gr 39, Pzgr., Sprgr. L/4.5}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 Out of the five VK 45.01 (P) produced from its development to its rejection, only one saw service in World War II. The tank had the chassis number 150013 and was converted into a command tank, thus was designated the '''Panzerbefehlswagen VI (P)'''. As a command tank, the tank would have much more radios than usual to allow for command communication between tank units and headquarters. Another feature on the Panzerbefehlswagen VI (P) was that an extra 100 mm of armour was welded onto the front hull armour, bringing the original 100 mm hull armour to 200 mm effective in thickness. The tank was used by Hauptmann Grillenberg in turret number 003 and the tank saw service on the Eastern Front with the Ferdinand units, serving in Tank Destroyer Battalion 653. It was deployed in April 1944 but was then lost in July of the same year.
-=== In-game description ===
+{{break}}
 The Tiger Porsche heavy tanks built by Ferdinand Porsche (Nibelungen-Werke) were developed to compete with Erwin Aders's tanks (Henschel), but they essentially lost the competition. Most of the completed bodies equipped with track assembly and engines went toward the construction of the Ferdinand/Elefant tank destroyers.
 However, several (at least ten) bodies of the future Porsche tank were built in 1942 and equipped with Krupp turrets. Several of these prototypes underwent testing at the Dyullerskheym training ground in the summer/fall of 1942 and were even used by the 503rd tank battalion as training vehicles.
 == Media ==

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 Unlike the Henschel's [[Tiger H1]] and most other tanks, it is powered by a rather unusual combination of 2 hybrid gasoline-electric engines. This brings some unusual handling characteristics into play. For example, because it is driven by the electric engine, it can go backwards just as fast as forwards, so it has one of the highest reverse speed in the game. On the other hand, its top speed in both directions is limited (only 31 km/h, and it feels like it could go faster without the limit). It is also a little heavier than the Henschel, has narrower tracks, and its engine output is lower. Soft terrain isn't a friend of this vehicle.
-{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 684|rbMinHp= 469|<!--AoAweight=(optional) -->}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=807|rbMinHp=553}}
 === Modifications and economy ===

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 * '''PzGr 40''' - As the APCR round for the gun, this will give the tank the greater edge needed to take out heavily protected tanks.
 * '''Hl.Gr. 39''' - The HEAT shell is best avoided as it deals less damage than the APBC Shell and has a much lower muzzle velocity, meaning that the gun has to aim ridiculously high for sniping. It also offers less penetration than APBC at all ranges.
-* '''Pzgr.''' - This shell is best used in a 0.3 uptier or full down-tier (200 and 220 SP respectively). It has 168 g instead of the 64 g of explosive mass on the Pzgr 39. While its muzzle velocity is slightly higher (810 m/s) the penetration goes down to 153 mm (0m/0°). The additional explosive mass can help with taking out enemies in a single shot more often but the Pzgr. 39 is usually more than enough to destroy enemies and it offers slightly higher penetration too.
+* '''Pzgr.''' - This shell is best used in a 0.3 uptier or full down-tier (200 and 220 SP respectively). It has 168 g instead of the 64 g of explosive mass on the Pzgr 39. While its muzzle velocity is slightly higher (810 m/s) the penetration goes down to 153 mm (0 m/0°). The additional explosive mass can help with taking out enemies in a single shot more often but the Pzgr. 39 is usually more than enough to destroy enemies and it offers slightly higher penetration too.
 * '''Sprgr. L/4.5''' - The HE shell is completely ineffective against all but SPAA and the machine gun mounted on the Tiger has proven quite capable of dealing with these. Keep a small supply of this shell on hand if planning to flank the enemy and take out their SPAA or artillery, but avoid them for everything else.
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-With this tank, a calm and patient player will be able to rip apart lots of enemies, before being knocked out. The Tiger P can easily survive a duel with other Henschel Tigers, because its hull armour is much stronger, and they use the same turret, that is rather hard to be penned by Short 8.8cm guns they use.
+With this tank, a calm and patient player will be able to rip apart lots of enemies, before being knocked out. The Tiger I P can easily survive a duel with other Henschel Tigers, because its hull armour is much stronger, and they use the same turret, that is rather hard to be penetrated by Short 8.8cm guns they use.
 One of the flaws of its armour design is that it cannot be effectively angled AT ALL. Because of its front hull cheeks, that are only 82 mm thick, even the slightest angling makes them very vulnerable to all guns, and to make matters even worse, ammunition is stored right behind them on both sides (unless one carries less ammunition).
-The gameplay is very similar to the [[Tiger E]]. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground a lot better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outshoot the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown manoeuvre). Refrain from angling the armour, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 204 mm of front hull armour can defeat a lot of shells even completely un-angled, and even more at a high distance.
+The gameplay is very similar to the [[Tiger E]]. Avoid direct close range confrontations (although the Porsche can hold its ground a lot better there), where its weak spots can be targeted, or be flanked easily, and rather use its excellent accurate gun to outrange the opponents from afar while using the terrain and various obstacles as cover (Hulldown manoeuvre). Refrain from angling the armour, as opposed to Box-shaped Henschel Tigers, because of the vulnerable front hull cheeks and much thinner side armour. 204 mm of front hull armour can defeat a lot of shells even completely un-angled, and even more at a high distance.
 Remember about the high reverse speed (31 km/h), if the situation is becoming dire, try to retreat from it by reversing while still facing the opponents with 200 mm of front armour and dangerous gun.
-Lastly, remember that that the {{Specs|pseudonym}} BR is quite high, and it can meet opponents that are almost invulnerable to the 88 mm gun from the front (even when using APCR), and/or can still instantly destroy the {{PAGENAME}} with one well-aimed shot.
+Lastly, remember that that the Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P's BR is quite high, and it can meet opponents that are almost invulnerable to the 88 mm gun from the front (even when using APCR), and/or can still instantly destroy the Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P with one well-aimed shot.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[VK 45.01 (P)]]
+;Related development
 * [[Tiger I (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated:''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.9.0.62''' -->
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 === Main armament ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
-<!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{main|Name of the weapon}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
+<!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
 {{main|KwK36 (88 mm)}}
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 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 80 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 6.1 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 9.6 || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | 7.4
+| rowspan="2" | 80 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 6.1 || 8.4 || 10.2 || 11.3 || 12.0 || rowspan="2" | 9.62 || rowspan="2" | 8.51 || rowspan="2" | 7.84 || rowspan="2" | 7.40
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| 4.5 || 5.3 || __._ || __._ || 7.5
+| 4.5 || 5.3 || 6.4 || 7.0 || 7.5
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 |}
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 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
+! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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 | PzGr 40 || APCR || 930 || 7.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 66° || 70° || 72°
 |-
-| Hl.Gr 39 || HEAT || 600 || 7.64 || N0 || 0.3 || 1,100 || 62° || 69° || 73°
+| Hl.Gr 39 || HEAT || 600 || 7.64 || 0 || 0.3 || 1,100 || 62° || 69° || 73°
 |-
 | Pzgr. || APCBC || 810 || 9.5 || 1.2 || 14 || 285.6 || 48° || 63° || 71°
 |-
-| Sprgr. L/4.5 || HE || 820 || 9.0 || 0 || 0.1 || 698 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| Sprgr. L/4.5 || HE || 820 || 9 || 0 || 0.1 || 698 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
 |}
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 Right side empty: 33&nbsp;(+47)
-==== [[Optics]] ====
+<!-- ==== [[Optics]] ====
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 | colspan="2" | ___
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-|}
+|} -->
 === Machine guns ===
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 {{main|MG34 (7.92 mm)}}
-{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
 |-
 ! colspan="5" | [[MG34 (7.92 mm)|7.92 mm MG34]]
 |-
-! Mount
+! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
 | Coaxial || 1,800 (150) || 900 || N/A || N/A