Pbv 501 - Revision history

U44629479: Undo revision 191913 by U154342554 (talk)

2024-09-05T02:27:34Z

Undo revision 191913 by U154342554 (talk)

U154342554: /* Pros and cons */

2024-09-04T16:54:44Z

‎Pros and cons

U101628627: added armor values

2024-08-28T02:13:31Z

added armor values

U38088265: /* History */

2024-07-29T21:13:18Z

‎History

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U8209876: /* Usage: */

2024-07-23T13:42:48Z

‎Usage:

U8209876: /* Development: */

2024-07-23T13:30:46Z

‎Development:

U8209876: /* External links */

2024-07-23T13:03:13Z

‎External links

U8209876: /* History */

2024-07-23T13:01:11Z

‎History

U44629479: /* Media */ Added skins

2024-04-28T12:14:43Z

‎Media: Added skins

U91965995: Pbv 501 usage updated to reflect basic tactics derived from the BMP-1 playstyle

2024-01-28T02:50:12Z

Pbv 501 usage updated to reflect basic tactics derived from the BMP-1 playstyle

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 * No ATGMs unlike other [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1s]]
-* Thin armor
+* Thin armour
 * Lacking gun depression of -4 compared to the common -10 or more on other contemporary Swedish vehicles
 * Poor cannon ballistics

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 * No ATGMs unlike other [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1s]]
-* Thin armour
+* Thin armor
 * Lacking gun depression of -4 compared to the common -10 or more on other contemporary Swedish vehicles
 * Poor cannon ballistics

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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' <br> ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Hull || 7-12 mm (80°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 19 mm (56°) ''Lower glacis'' || 16 mm (3-18°) ''Top'' <br> 18 + 4 mm ''Bottom'' || 16 mm (12°) ''Top'' <br> 12 mm (48°) ''Bottom'' <br> 12 mm (8-51°) ''Doors'' || 6 mm <br> 5 mm ''Engine exhausts''
 |-
-| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Turret || 23 mm (0-53°) ''Turret front'' <br> 33 + 26 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 13-23 mm (24-37°) || 13 mm (23-26°) || 6 mm
 |-
-| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm
+| Cupola || 7 mm || 7 mm || 7 mm || 7 mm
 |-
 |}

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 * Land Warfare Centre (''Markstridsskolan)'' in Borensberg
-Furthermore, it was also discovered that when firing the 73mm cannon, a not insignificant amount of nitrocellulose would be discharged into the air, which was deemed potentially harmful to the crew. This seemed to have been an issue mostly with the PG-15V HEAT round. As such, Sweden did not purchase a stockpile of PG-15 HEAT ammunition, meaning that if Pbv 501 were ever to see combat, it would have practically no means at all to combat any form of enemy armour. On the plus side, the vehicle was considered mechanically very reliable. However, if an issue was to arise especially in the engine block, its removal and replacement was a tedious process that took about 10 times longer than on the [[Strf 9040B|Strf 9040]]. The radios were also found to be of poor quality, with inferior transmission quality and range compared to Swedish models. In 2005, the decision was taken to retire the Pbv 501. The entire fleet was sold back to a Czech company called EXCALIBUR (who now also owned repair workshop VOP-026) for 30 million SEK (6 Million USD). In 2015, EXCALIBUR found a buyer in the shape of Iraq with as many of 250 vehicles being estimated to have been bought by Iraq. In April 2022, the German government approved the resale of 56 Pbv 501 from Czechia to Ukraine.<ref />
+Furthermore, it was also discovered that when firing the 73mm cannon, a not insignificant amount of nitrocellulose would be discharged into the air, which was deemed potentially harmful to the crew. This seemed to have been an issue mostly with the PG-15V HEAT round. As such, Sweden did not purchase a stockpile of PG-15 HEAT ammunition, meaning that if Pbv 501 were ever to see combat, it would have practically no means at all to combat any form of enemy armour. On the plus side, the vehicle was considered mechanically very reliable. However, if an issue was to arise especially in the engine block, its removal and replacement was a tedious process that took about 10 times longer than on the [[Strf 9040B|Strf 9040]]. The radios were also found to be of poor quality, with inferior transmission quality and range compared to Swedish models. In 2005, the decision was taken to retire the Pbv 501. The entire fleet was sold back to a Czech company called EXCALIBUR (who now also owned repair workshop VOP-026) for 30 million SEK (6 Million USD). In 2015, EXCALIBUR found a buyer in the shape of Iraq with as many of 250 vehicles being estimated to have been bought by Iraq. In April 2022, the German government approved the resale of 56 Pbv 501 from Czechia to Ukraine.
 == Media ==
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 {{Sweden light tanks}}

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 == History ==
-=== '''Development:''' ===
+=== Development: ===
 As one of the most ubiquitous infantry fighting vehicles of the Cold War, the Soviet [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1]] remained in service with many ex-eastern bloc states after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact. Several of those ex-eastern bloc states approached the Western bloc, including their arsenals. Most notably, following the German reunification in 1990, the freshly unified Federal Republic of Germany inherited large weapon and vehicle stocks that used to belong to East Germany, the GDR. This included over a thousand Czechoslovakian-built BMP-1. A local upgrade programme was carried out to "westernise" those BMPs to NATO standards starting in December 1990. This resulted in the BMP-1A1 Ost, which forfeited its guided missile armament, had toxic asbestos removed from the vehicle, added standard German Army headlights, rear lights, wing mirrors and the typical ''Leitkreuz'' low-light identification markings. 580 BMP-1 were converted to BMP-1A1 Ost standard between 1991 and 1993. 500 of those were sold to Greece in 1994, but the 80 modernised as well as hundreds unmodernised ones remained in German stocks.
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 * Land Warfare Centre (''Markstridsskolan)'' in Borensberg
-Furthermore, it was also discovered that when firing the 73mm cannon, a not insignificant amount of nitrocellulose would be discharged into the air, which was deemed potentially harmful to the crew. This seemed to have been an issue mostly with the PG-15V HEAT round. As such, Sweden did not purchase a stockpile of PG-15 HEAT ammunition, meaning that if Pbv 501 were ever to see combat, it would have practically no means at all to combat any form of enemy armour. On the plus side, the vehicle was considered mechanically very reliable. However, if an issue was to arise especially in the engine block, its removal and replacement was a tedious process that took about 10 times longer than on the [[Strf 9040B|Strf 9040]]. The radios were also found to be of poor quality, with inferior transmission quality and range compared to Swedish models. In 2005, the decision was taken to retire the Pbv 501. The entire fleet was sold back to a Czech company called EXCALIBUR (who now also owned repair workshop VOP-026) for 30 million SEK (6 Million USD). In 2015, EXCALIBUR found a buyer in the shape of Iraq with as many of 250 vehicles being estimated to have been bought by Iraq. In April 2022, the German government approved the resale of 56 Pbv 501 from Czechia to Ukraine.
+Furthermore, it was also discovered that when firing the 73mm cannon, a not insignificant amount of nitrocellulose would be discharged into the air, which was deemed potentially harmful to the crew. This seemed to have been an issue mostly with the PG-15V HEAT round. As such, Sweden did not purchase a stockpile of PG-15 HEAT ammunition, meaning that if Pbv 501 were ever to see combat, it would have practically no means at all to combat any form of enemy armour. On the plus side, the vehicle was considered mechanically very reliable. However, if an issue was to arise especially in the engine block, its removal and replacement was a tedious process that took about 10 times longer than on the [[Strf 9040B|Strf 9040]]. The radios were also found to be of poor quality, with inferior transmission quality and range compared to Swedish models. In 2005, the decision was taken to retire the Pbv 501. The entire fleet was sold back to a Czech company called EXCALIBUR (who now also owned repair workshop VOP-026) for 30 million SEK (6 Million USD). In 2015, EXCALIBUR found a buyer in the shape of Iraq with as many of 250 vehicles being estimated to have been bought by Iraq. In April 2022, the German government approved the resale of 56 Pbv 501 from Czechia to Ukraine.<ref />
 == Media ==
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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
 * [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/pansarbandvagn-501/ (Pbv 501 on Tanks Encyclopedia.com)]
 {{Sweden light tanks}}

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 * Excels at urban brawling, something Swedish vehicles generally aren't suited for
 * Has access to scouting
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Poor cannon ballistics
 * Sometimes has inconsistent spalling
 == History ==
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+=== '''Development:''' ===
 == Media ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=sw_pbv_501 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 == See also ==

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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was the Swedish designation for the [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1]], acquired from Germany after the fall of the Soviet Union. In defense decisions 92, Sweden wanted to invest a portion of the military funding to mechanized infantry, during this decision they decided to buy 433 vehicles of different BMP-1 models. These {{PAGENAME}} were sent to the Czech Republic to be modified to Swedish standards and would be used until 2010, when the {{PAGENAME}} were sold to the Czech Republic which later sold them to Iraq.
-The {{PAGENAME}} was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]]. Compared to other [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1s]], it lacks the ATGMs most BMP vehicles are equipped with in-game, giving it a limited ability to counter heavier armoured vehicles at distance. However, it is still equipped with its 73 mm [[2A28 (73 mm)|2A28]] gun making it familiar weapon to use for those who are experienced with [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1]] vehicles. Having thin armour makes this vehicle an easy target for tank cannons but also autocannons and heavy machine guns, making it a vehicle better suited for ambush and supporting roles.
+The {{PAGENAME}} was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]]. Compared to other [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1s]], it lacks the ATGMs most BMP vehicles are equipped with in-game, decreasing the vehicle's effectiveness at long range. However, it is still equipped with its 73 mm [[2A28 (73 mm)|2A28]] gun, a familiar weapon for those who are experienced with the [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1]]. Its thin armor leaves much to be desired, but its autoloaded gun and good mobility make it a good brawler in close range engagements.
 == General info ==
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 {{main|2A28 (73 mm)}}
-Just like the BMP-1, the {{PAGENAME}} is armed with the 2A28 main cannon. However, it lacks any sort of ATGM systems compared to the BMP-1, which severely reduces its overall offensive capabilities.
+Just like the BMP-1, the {{PAGENAME}} is armed with the 2A28 main cannon. However, it lacks an ATGM launcher compared to the BMP-1, which decreases the vehicle's long range engagement capabilities.
-The PG-9 HEAT will primarily be your main shell in combat. Capable of penetrating up to 300 mm of armour, a well placed shot on the enemy tanks will usually result in most critical components being damaged. However, care must be taken as the {{PAGENAME}} lacks any sort of stabilizer, which severely reduces the chances of hitting a target while going full speed.
+The PG-9 HEAT will be your primary choice of ammunition in combat. Capable of penetrating up to 300 mm of armour, a well placed shot fired at the enemy tanks will usually result in most critical components being damaged if not destroyed. However, care must be taken as the {{PAGENAME}} lacks any sort of stabilizer, which severely reduces the chances of hitting a target while going full speed. The vehicle comes equipped with a cruise control setting of CC BATTLE, however, which keeps the gun stable albeit at a very low (around 3-4kph) moving speed - something that may let you get an accurate shot off in certain situations.
-The OG-9 HE is almost useless at this BR, as most tanks at this have closed rooftops. It should only be used for attacking lightly armoured targets, nothing more.
+The OG-9 HE is best left ignored. The PG-9 HEAT shell mentioned above has actual armor penetration while the OG-9 does not, and also overpressures light vehicles on a decently placed hit. As open top vehicles start becoming less and less common on the battlefield, OG-9 is simply irrelevant and there is very little reason to take the shell over its HEAT counterpart.
-The cannon is equipped with an auto loader, allowing for consistent 6 second reloads. As this tank lacks any ATGM systems, the turret speed has been improved over the base BMP-1 by a small margin. However, the cannon has a few flaws. First, the ballistic performance of the rounds is mediocre, at 665 m/s for the PG-9 HEAT and 290 m/s for the OG-9 HE, making long range shots all the more difficult to land. Second, the gun depression is limited to only -4°, similar to other Russian tanks in the Swedish Tech Tree. This will make a change of play-style necessary, as most Swedish tanks have good gun depression.
+The cannon is equipped with an autoloader, allowing for a consistent 6 second reload. As this tank lacks ATGMs, the turret speed compared to the BMP-1 has been slightly improved. However, the cannon has a few shortcomings that may necessitate some player compensation. First off, the ballistic performance of the rounds are fairly mediocre, at 665 m/s for the PG-9 HEAT and 290 m/s for the OG-9 HE, making long range shots a challenge if the player is inexperienced with the gun's ballistics. Second, the gun depression is limited to only -4°, similar to other Russian tanks in the Swedish Tech Tree. This will make a change of play-style necessary, as most Swedish tanks have good gun depression and can frequently use terrain features almost no other nations can utilize.
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+The {{PAGENAME}} is in essence a BMP-1 stripped of its ATGM armament. To some this may seem like an unacceptable downgrade - the 4 missiles the BMP-1 carries have good explosive mass, speed and let the vehicle engage far away targets effectively, and this is a valid point. However, the {{PAGENAME}} makes up for it by having a full 1 BR lower placement than the regular BMP-1, and still retains the 2A38 73mm cannon. The 2A38 is an acquired taste; To those who don't like the low velocity and sometimes middling damage, the gun is a lackluster weapon, while to those who know the ballistics it can be a surprisingly effective cannon with a good reload rate.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Low silhouette
-* HEAT ammunition
+* Punchy gun with an autoloader
 * High power-to-weight ratio and quick acceleration
+* Excels at urban brawling, something Swedish vehicles generally aren't suited for
 '''Cons:'''
 * No ATGMs unlike other [[BMP-1 (Family)|BMP-1s]]
 * Thin armour
+* Lacking gun depression of -4 compared to the common -10 or more on other contemporary Swedish vehicles
 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->