Panzer IV/70(V) - Revision history

U136146036: Changes to armor information and additionally classified the M36 as an enemy worth noting, primarily due to the 90 mm M3.

2024-07-27T15:44:44Z

Changes to armor information and additionally classified the M36 as an enemy worth noting, primarily due to the 90 mm M3.

U136146036: The phrasing "commander machine gun" may confuse some players as the machine gun appears to be operated by the loader and isn't pintle mounted.

2024-07-27T15:19:56Z

The phrasing "commander machine gun" may confuse some players as the machine gun appears to be operated by the loader and isn't pintle mounted.

U74396666: Minor updates

2023-11-22T09:39:20Z

Minor updates

U74396666: New Description Project - Germany Priority: Panzer IV/70(V)

2023-11-22T09:32:29Z

New Description Project - Germany Priority: Panzer IV/70(V)

U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-24T22:56:11Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: /* Media */ Removed dead video

2023-01-10T21:35:05Z

‎Media: Removed dead video

U44629479: /* Ammo racks */ Updated section

2023-01-10T16:37:46Z

‎Ammo racks: Updated section

U23893211: /* Ammo racks */

2023-01-10T16:07:44Z

‎Ammo racks

U23116653: /* History */

2022-12-20T11:57:46Z

‎History

U17577377 at 19:01, 6 November 2022

2022-11-06T19:01:54Z

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 * Tracks (20 mm thick) are used as add-on armour on the casemate.
-Befitting of the German casemate destroyer line, the frontal armour on the {{PAGENAME}} is one to be feared. It features a mighty frontal plate of 80 mm sloped at 50°, resulting in an awesome 120 mm of protection. The gun mantlet also is very well protected, and has over 150 mm in some areas. The amazing armour is made better when the player unlocks the "add-on armour" modification, applying tracks to the front and sides of the tank, and results in over 185 mm of protection in some areas. Even with this amazing armour, it is best to use the {{PAGENAME}} at longer ranges, as this allows you to make use of your amazing gun and turns you from a difficult target to a nigh impenetrable one.
+Befitting of the German casemate destroyer line, the frontal armour on the {{PAGENAME}} is one to be feared. It features a mighty frontal plate of 80 mm sloped at 50° compared to the Panther's 55º. This results in a slight reduction of useful armor, and is especially prominent against certain shells fired by the Soviet 85 mm gun that can be commonly found at this BR. The gun mantlet is also very well protected due to its volumetric armor. However, the bottom of the mantlet creates a shot trap that may destroy your vehicle. The armour is improved even further when the player unlocks the "Add-on Armour" modification, applying tracks to the front and sides of the tank, and results in over 185 mm of protection in the critical region where 3 of 4 crew members sit in a row, which helps significantly against BR-365 fired by the Soviet 85 mm gun.. Even with this amazing armour, it is best to use the {{PAGENAME}} at longer ranges, as this allows you to make use of the Panzer IV/70's high velocity gun and turns you from a difficult target to a nigh impenetrable one.
-However, the side armour is very weak and is able to be penetrated by most things at your BR, so the player should be careful and look out for flankers.
+However, the side armour is very weak and is able to be penetrated by most things at your BR, so the player should be careful and look out for flankers. It should also be noted that in an uptier, it is common to face the American 90 mm or Soviet 122 mm guns, which will make short work of the vehicle frontally.
 === Mobility ===
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 * [[IS-2]], [[ISU-122]], [[SU-152]]/[[ISU-152]]: The Pz IV/70 relies on its frontal armour a lot to survive, so the biggest threats are generally the vehicles with high penetration. These machines with high-calibre guns pose the biggest threat, as their APHEBC shells will slice through the Pz IV/70's frontal armour like butter, and their damage is more than enough to kill all the crew inside. Try and finish them off first before they see you. If they do, quickly go to a nearby cover and either call for help, or wait until they fire / are distracted.
 * [[ARL-44]]: the ARL 44's 90 mm SA45 gun can cut through the Pz IV/70's armour with no effort from almost any practical combat range. Its upper frontal plate is completely immune to your shells, and its lower plate also has a habit of causing ricochets. Fortunately, its turret armour is easily penetrated by your gun, resulting in most or all of the turret crew being knocked out or even the ammunition at the back of the turret being detonated.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Lacks a turret which limits its combat potential and makes it vulnerable to flankers
 * Closely packed crew meaning a penetration from any angle will likely to destroy the tank
-* Poor side armour, extremely weak against APBCs like the Soviet 85 mm
+* Poor side armour, extremely weak against most guns found at the BR
 * The downward side of the gun mantlet is prone to shot traps (shell ricocheting down into the hull roof) which is lethal
 * Although frontal armour is thick, it can still get knocked out with a single shot by the [[IS-2 (Family)|IS-2]] regardless the angle and distance

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 {{main|MG42 (7.92 mm)}}
-The tank has a MG42 commander machine gun with a high fire rate. It is able to quickly finish off the exposed crews of some vehicles. However, its traverse angles are very limited meaning a lot of the time the whole tank has to be moved to get the MG on target. Also the maximum penetration of 13 mm makes it useless against those not-so-lightly-armoured vehicles, like the [[BTR-152A]], the [[M18 GMC]], etc.
+The tank has a MG42 bow machine gun with a high fire rate. It is able to quickly finish off the exposed crews of some vehicles. However, its traverse angles are very limited meaning a lot of the time the whole tank has to be moved to get the MG on target. Also the maximum penetration of 13 mm makes it useless against those not-so-lightly-armoured vehicles, like the [[BTR-152A]], the [[M18 GMC]], etc.
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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''Panzer IV/70(V)''' is the third variant of the Panzer IV medium tank-based tank destroyer family. The initial (V) represents the designer, Vomag. Approximately 930 to 940 units of this variant were built between August 1944 and April 1945, making it the most produced variant. The Panzer IV/70(V) was a formidable opponent, armed with the powerful, long-range 75 mm Panzerjägerkanone 42 L/70 tank gun that could outrange most opposing Allied tank guns.
+The '''Panzer IV/70(V)''' ([[Abbreviations#.28DE.29 Sd.Kfz. Index|Sd.Kfz. Index:]] '''Sd.Kfz. 162/1''') is the third variant of the Panzer IV medium tank-based tank destroyer family. The initial (V) represents the designer, Vomag. Approximately 930 to 940 units of this variant were built between August 1944 and April 1945, making it the most produced variant. The Panzer IV/70(V) was a formidable opponent, armed with the powerful, long-range 75 mm Panzerjägerkanone 42 L/70 tank gun that could outrange most opposing Allied tank guns.
 Introduced in the Closed Beta Test for Ground Forces before Update 1.41, the Panzer IV/70(V) offers much better protection than its rival design, the [[Panzer IV/70(A)]]. However, it should only be used in defensive roles. Even with the 42 L/70 tank gun and 75 mm Panzerjägerkanone mounted on it, it was still a casemate tank destroyer. Maintain a safe distance from the adversary and utilize its powerful penetration and muzzle velocity to take out targets at a distance. Avoid direct engagements and let the other players take care of the fighting so the player can decide when and how to engage.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' ([[Abbreviations#.28DE.29_Sd.Kfz._Index|German armoury designation:]] '''Sd.Kfz. 162/1''') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during the Closed Beta Test for Ground Forces before Update 1.41.
+The '''Panzer IV/70(V)''' is the third variant of the Panzer IV medium tank-based tank destroyer family. The initial (V) represents the designer, Vomag. Approximately 930 to 940 units of this variant were built between August 1944 and April 1945, making it the most produced variant. The Panzer IV/70(V) was a formidable opponent, armed with the powerful, long-range 75 mm Panzerjägerkanone 42 L/70 tank gun that could outrange most opposing Allied tank guns.
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_pz_IV_L70 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:KwK42 (75 mm)/Ammunition|PzGr 39/42, Sprgr. 42, PzGr 40/42}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_pz_IV_L70 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|z-TzXyvePmc|'''Panzer IV/70(V) - A Desireable Experience''' - ''Napalmratte''|xF4-TcnyWw0|'''Best tank destroyers''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 7:10 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|yHuUGzezChI|'''Best after-party picks''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:09 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|7abBh-EIPCk|'''Panzer IV/70(V) Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|z-TzXyvePmc|'''Panzer IV/70(V) - A Desireable Experience''' - ''Napalmratte''|xF4-TcnyWw0|'''Best tank destroyers''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 7:10 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|yHuUGzezChI|'''Best after-party picks''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:09 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
 == See also ==

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_Panzer_IV-70(V).png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated:''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.23.0.42''' -->
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 '''Notes''':
 * Racks disappear after you've fired all shells in the rack.
-* Packing 16 (+39) shells will keep the sides of the casemate empty.
+* Packing 16&nbsp;''(+39)'' shells will keep the sides of the casemate empty.
 === Machine guns ===

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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| '''55''' || 46&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 36&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 26 ''(+29)'' || 16&nbsp;''(+39)'' || 12&nbsp;''(+43)'' || 4&nbsp;''(+51)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+54)'' || No
+| '''55''' || 46&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 36&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 26 ''(+29)'' || 16&nbsp;''(+39)'' || 8&nbsp;''(+47)'' || 4&nbsp;''(+51)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+54)'' || No
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 '''Notes''':
 * Racks disappear after you've fired all shells in the rack.
-* Large sides empty: 16 (+39) shells.
+* Packing 16 (+39) shells will keep the sides of the casemate empty.
 === Machine guns ===

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 This variant of the anti-tank gun was developed in two different versions by the companies Vomag AG and Alkett. Though similar in combat power and armour protection, these machines were significantly different in appearance.
-In August 1944, Vomag began producing its own Panzer IV/70 (V) variant with a 75 mm gun. The gun itself was positioned slightly to the right of the tank's longitudinal axis to allow better use of the vehicle's internal space. Due to the great length of the guns, they were held with a special bracket during non-combat movement. The destroyer's weight was increased to 26 tons. The great length of the barrel and the forward-weighted armour (80 mm) made the vehicle unbalanced, giving it low cross-country ability. Because of this, it was nicknamed "Guderian's duck" by the troops. The front pair of road wheels were made entirely of metal. This tank destroyer had Schürzen side skirts which protected the lower sides of the tank from anti-tank and hollow-charge projectiles. Vomag made a total of 930 of these tank destroyers.
+In August 1944, Vomag began producing its own Panzer IV/70 (V) variant with a 75 mm gun. The gun itself was positioned slightly to the right of the tank's longitudinal axis to allow better use of the vehicle's internal space. Due to the great length of the guns, they were held with a special bracket during non-combat movement. The destroyer's weight was increased to 26 tons. The great length of the barrel and the forward-weighted armour (80 mm) made the vehicle unbalanced, giving it low cross-country ability. Because of this, it was nicknamed "Guderian's duck" by the troops. The front pair of road wheels were made entirely of metal. This tank destroyer had "Schürzen" side skirts which protected the lower sides of the tank from anti-tank and hollow-charge projectiles. Vomag made a total of 930 of these tank destroyers.
 The Panzer IV, Panzer IV/70 (A), and Panzer IV/70 (V) also had a commander's version produced, with a crew of five men, reduced ammunition, and an additional radio station.
-The powerful armament of these vehicles made them quite popular with the Wehrmacht's anti-tank divisions. These self-propelled guns were widely used in combat operations during the final part of the war.
+The powerful armament of these vehicles made them quite popular with the Wehrmacht's anti-tank divisions. These self-propelled guns were widely used in combat operations during the final part of the war, including: the battle of Normandy and the Battle of the Bulge as well as on the Eastern Front. It was very successful as a tank destroyer due to its low profile, accurate gun and good armour protection, but performed poorly when used out of role as a substitute for tanks or assault guns to support infantry. This was increasingly necessary in the later stages of the war from late 1944 to 1945, because there was often nothing else available to the badly depleted German armoured units.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_pz_IV_L70 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[Jagdpanzer IV]]
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[SU-85M]]