PTZ89 - Revision history

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (Chinese: PTZ89式坦克歼击车), known among Chinese military enthusiasts as the '''"Eastern Ferdinand" (东方费迪南)''' due to its shape and heavy firepower, was likely the last gun-based tank destroyer ever produced, part of the PLAGF modernization program in the late 1980s aimed at countering the menacing Soviet forces. The 120 mm smoothbore cannon can be traced back to the [[Object 122MT "MC"|Project 122]], which originated from the PLAGF's requirement for a high-calibre gun capable of neutralizing Soviet tanks in the Far East. Although previous attempts faced technological challenges and the introduction of NATO-calibre guns, Chinese engineers eventually developed a new 120 mm cannon as part of the [[ZTZ99 (Family)|WZ123 (ZTZ99)]] program. This was tested against a reverse-engineered 2A46M gun from an Object 172M-1 E-4 (T-72U or Type 64 六四型), with the latter being selected. In order to preserve their efforts and enhance firepower against waves of Soviet armoured units, the 120 mm gun was incorporated into a new mobile gun platform on the WZ321 chassis for the PLAGF. This platform, known as the PTZ89, featured an autoloader to maximize firepower during potential defensive operations. Although introduced at a time when it was already considered obsolete, the PTZ89 remained in service until 2015, its retirement officially marking the end of gun-based tank destroyers.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (Chinese: PTZ89式坦克歼击车), known among Chinese military enthusiasts as the "Eastern Ferdinand" (东方费迪南) due to its shape and heavy firepower, was likely the last gun-based tank destroyer ever produced, part of the PLAGF modernization program in the late 1980s aimed at countering the menacing Soviet forces. The 120 mm smoothbore cannon can be traced back to the [[Object 122MT "MC"|Project 122]], which originated from the PLAGF's requirement for a high-calibre gun capable of neutralizing Soviet tanks in the Far East. Although previous attempts faced technological challenges and the introduction of NATO-calibre guns, Chinese engineers eventually developed a new 120 mm cannon as part of the [[ZTZ99 (Family)|WZ123 (ZTZ99)]] program. This was tested against a reverse-engineered 2A46M gun from an Object 172M-1 E-4 (T-72U or Type 64 六四型), with the latter being selected. In order to preserve their efforts and enhance firepower against waves of Soviet armoured units, the 120 mm gun was incorporated into a new mobile gun platform on the WZ321 chassis for the PLAGF. This platform, known as the PTZ89, featured an autoloader to maximize firepower during potential defensive operations. Although introduced at a time when it was already considered obsolete, the PTZ89 remained in service until 2015, its retirement officially marking the end of gun-based tank destroyers.
 Introduced in [[Update "New Power"]], the PTZ89 is a purpose-built tank destroyer armed with a formidable 120 mm smoothbore gun, somewhat similar in layout and concept to the infamous Soviet [[Object 120]]. It is remarkable for having entered service in 1989; by then, the era of the main battle tank was well underway and gun-armed tank destroyers were out of fashion. This conundrum exists in War Thunder as well, where the PTZ89 faces agile and well-armed tanks like the [[Leopard A1A1]] while not being speedy or well-protected itself. Still, if the PTZ89 does one thing well, it's firepower. The marvellous cannon easily penetrates almost anything it meets and the assisted loader allows several targets to be destroyed in quick succession. This vehicle is all about its gun and a skilled gunner can make good use of it for sniping and ambushes.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (Chinese: PTZ89式坦克歼击车), known among Chinese military enthusiasts as the '''"Eastern Ferdinand" (东方费迪南)''', was likely the last gun-based tank destroyer ever produced, part of the PLAGF modernization program in the late 1980s aimed at countering the menacing Soviet forces. The 120 mm smoothbore cannon can be traced back to the [[Object 122MT "MC"|Project 122]], which originated from the PLAGF's requirement for a high-calibre gun capable of neutralizing Soviet tanks in the Far East. Although previous attempts faced technological challenges and the introduction of NATO-calibre guns, Chinese engineers eventually developed a new 120 mm cannon as part of the [[ZTZ99 (Family)|WZ123 (ZTZ99)]] program. This was tested against a reverse-engineered 2A46M gun from an Object 172M-1 E-4 (T-72U or Type 64 六四型), with the latter being selected. In order to preserve their efforts and enhance firepower against waves of Soviet armoured units, the 120 mm gun was incorporated into a new mobile gun platform on the WZ321 chassis for the PLAGF. This platform, known as the PTZ89, featured an autoloader to maximize firepower during potential defensive operations. Although introduced at a time when it was already considered obsolete, the PTZ89 remained in service until 2015, its retirement officially marking the end of gun-based tank destroyers.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (Chinese: PTZ89式坦克歼击车), known among Chinese military enthusiasts as the '''"Eastern Ferdinand" (东方费迪南)''' due to its shape and heavy firepower, was likely the last gun-based tank destroyer ever produced, part of the PLAGF modernization program in the late 1980s aimed at countering the menacing Soviet forces. The 120 mm smoothbore cannon can be traced back to the [[Object 122MT "MC"|Project 122]], which originated from the PLAGF's requirement for a high-calibre gun capable of neutralizing Soviet tanks in the Far East. Although previous attempts faced technological challenges and the introduction of NATO-calibre guns, Chinese engineers eventually developed a new 120 mm cannon as part of the [[ZTZ99 (Family)|WZ123 (ZTZ99)]] program. This was tested against a reverse-engineered 2A46M gun from an Object 172M-1 E-4 (T-72U or Type 64 六四型), with the latter being selected. In order to preserve their efforts and enhance firepower against waves of Soviet armoured units, the 120 mm gun was incorporated into a new mobile gun platform on the WZ321 chassis for the PLAGF. This platform, known as the PTZ89, featured an autoloader to maximize firepower during potential defensive operations. Although introduced at a time when it was already considered obsolete, the PTZ89 remained in service until 2015, its retirement officially marking the end of gun-based tank destroyers.
 Introduced in [[Update "New Power"]], the PTZ89 is a purpose-built tank destroyer armed with a formidable 120 mm smoothbore gun, somewhat similar in layout and concept to the infamous Soviet [[Object 120]]. It is remarkable for having entered service in 1989; by then, the era of the main battle tank was well underway and gun-armed tank destroyers were out of fashion. This conundrum exists in War Thunder as well, where the PTZ89 faces agile and well-armed tanks like the [[Leopard A1A1]] while not being speedy or well-protected itself. Still, if the PTZ89 does one thing well, it's firepower. The marvellous cannon easily penetrates almost anything it meets and the assisted loader allows several targets to be destroyed in quick succession. This vehicle is all about its gun and a skilled gunner can make good use of it for sniping and ambushes.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}'''(Chinese: PTZ89式坦克歼击车), more well-known in the Chinese military enthusiasts community as '''"the Eastern Ferdinand" (东方费迪南)''' due to its design philosophy, was perhaps the very last gun tank-destroyer ever built as part of the PLAGF modernization program to defend against the menacing Soviet forces by late 1980s. The plans for a 120 mm smoothbore cannon could traced back to the [[Object 122MT "MC"|Project 122]] where PLAGF demanded for a high-caliber gun to take-down Soviet tanks at Far East; although previous efforts were ditched due to technological problems and the introduction of NATO caliber gun, Chinese engineers eventually built a new 120 mm gun prepared for the WZ123 program against the reverse-engineered 2A46M gun from a Object 172M-1 E-4  (T-72U or Type 64 六四型) where the latter won. In order to preserve their efforts and having additional firepower against the waves of Soviet armored corps, the 120 mm gun was then reused on a new, mobile gun platform based on the WZ321 chassis for PLAGF with autoloader for the maximum firepower during possible defense operations as the PTZ89. Due to the end of Cold War and already been obsolete by the time of introduction, these PTZ89s were still used up until 2015 and officially marked the end of gunned tank destroyers.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (Chinese: PTZ89式坦克歼击车), known among Chinese military enthusiasts as the '''"Eastern Ferdinand" (东方费迪南)''', was likely the last gun-based tank destroyer ever produced, part of the PLAGF modernization program in the late 1980s aimed at countering the menacing Soviet forces. The 120 mm smoothbore cannon can be traced back to the [[Object 122MT "MC"|Project 122]], which originated from the PLAGF's requirement for a high-calibre gun capable of neutralizing Soviet tanks in the Far East. Although previous attempts faced technological challenges and the introduction of NATO-calibre guns, Chinese engineers eventually developed a new 120 mm cannon as part of the [[ZTZ99 (Family)|WZ123 (ZTZ99)]] program. This was tested against a reverse-engineered 2A46M gun from an Object 172M-1 E-4 (T-72U or Type 64 六四型), with the latter being selected. In order to preserve their efforts and enhance firepower against waves of Soviet armoured units, the 120 mm gun was incorporated into a new mobile gun platform on the WZ321 chassis for the PLAGF. This platform, known as the PTZ89, featured an autoloader to maximize firepower during potential defensive operations. Although introduced at a time when it was already considered obsolete, the PTZ89 remained in service until 2015, its retirement officially marking the end of gun-based tank destroyers.
 Introduced in [[Update "New Power"]], the PTZ89 is a purpose-built tank destroyer armed with a formidable 120 mm smoothbore gun, somewhat similar in layout and concept to the infamous Soviet [[Object 120]]. It is remarkable for having entered service in 1989; by then, the era of the main battle tank was well underway and gun-armed tank destroyers were out of fashion. This conundrum exists in War Thunder as well, where the PTZ89 faces agile and well-armed tanks like the [[Leopard A1A1]] while not being speedy or well-protected itself. Still, if the PTZ89 does one thing well, it's firepower. The marvellous cannon easily penetrates almost anything it meets and the assisted loader allows several targets to be destroyed in quick succession. This vehicle is all about its gun and a skilled gunner can make good use of it for sniping and ambushes.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}'''(Chinese: PTZ89式坦克歼击车), more well-known in the Chinese military enthusiasts community as '''"the Eastern Ferdinand" (东方费迪南)''' due to its design philosophy, was perhaps the very last gun tank-destroyer ever built as part of the PLAGF modernization program to defend against the menacing Soviet forces by late 1980s. The plans for a 120 mm smoothbore cannon could traced back to the [[Object 122MT "MC"|Project 122]] where PLAGF demanded for a high-caliber gun to take-down Soviet tanks at Far East; although previous efforts were ditched due to technological problems and the introduction of NATO caliber gun, Chinese engineers eventually built a new 120 mm gun prepared for the WZ123 program against the reverse-engineered 2A46M gun from a Object 172M-1 E-4  (T-72U or Type 64 六四型) where the latter won. In order to preserve their efforts and having additional firepower against the waves of Soviet armored corps, the 120 mm gun was then reused on a new, mobile gun platform based on the WZ321 chassis for PLAGF with autoloader for the maximum firepower during possible defense operations as the PTZ89. Due to the end of Cold War and already been obsolete by the time of introduction, these PTZ89s were still used up until 2015 and officially marked the end of gunned tank destroyers.
-The PTZ89 is a purpose-built tank destroyer armed with a formidable 120 mm smoothbore gun, somewhat similar in layout and concept to the infamous Soviet [[Object 120]]. It is remarkable for having entered service in 1989; by then, the era of the main battle tank was well underway and gun-armed tank destroyers were out of fashion. This conundrum exists in War Thunder as well, where the PTZ89 faces agile and well-armed tanks like the [[Leopard A1A1]] while not being speedy or well-protected itself. Still, if the PTZ89 does one thing well, it's firepower. The marvellous cannon easily penetrates almost anything it meets and the assisted loader allows several targets to be destroyed in quick succession. This vehicle is all about its gun and a skilled gunner can make good use of it for sniping and ambushes.
+Introduced in [[Update "New Power"]], the PTZ89 is a purpose-built tank destroyer armed with a formidable 120 mm smoothbore gun, somewhat similar in layout and concept to the infamous Soviet [[Object 120]]. It is remarkable for having entered service in 1989; by then, the era of the main battle tank was well underway and gun-armed tank destroyers were out of fashion. This conundrum exists in War Thunder as well, where the PTZ89 faces agile and well-armed tanks like the [[Leopard A1A1]] while not being speedy or well-protected itself. Still, if the PTZ89 does one thing well, it's firepower. The marvellous cannon easily penetrates almost anything it meets and the assisted loader allows several targets to be destroyed in quick succession. This vehicle is all about its gun and a skilled gunner can make good use of it for sniping and ambushes.
 == General info ==

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 {{main|PTZ89 (120 mm)}}
-The PTZ89 uses a domestic 120 mm smoothbore cannon. The turret is equipped with an assisted loader in the bustle that can hold up to 10 rounds at once. When the assisted loader still has ammunition, the gun only takes 5 seconds to reload, which is highly impressive for its rank. Refilling the assisted loader is done one round at a time and takes a while, so it's best to take a break from heated combat once the supplies start to run low. The turret rotation speed is 18 degree per second if fully upgraded; below average, but not agonizing like the [[ZTZ59D1]]. Gun depression and elevation levels are rather poor, so be careful on hilly terrain. 5 degrees of gun depression is better than the ZTZ59D1 but still far worse than the [[M60A3 TTS (China)|M60A3 TTS]].
+The PTZ89 uses a domestic 120 mm smoothbore cannon. The turret is equipped with an assisted loader in the bustle that can hold up to 10 rounds at once. When the assisted loader still has ammunition, the gun only takes 5 seconds to reload, which is highly impressive for its rank. Refilling the assisted loader is done one round at a time and takes a while, so it's best to take a break from heated combat once the supplies start to run low. The turret rotation speed is 18 degrees per second in RB with an ace crew, which is below average but not agonizing like the [[ZTZ59D1]]. Gun depression and elevation levels are rather poor, so be careful on hilly terrain. 5 degrees of gun depression is better than the ZTZ59D1 but still far worse than the [[M60A3 TTS (China)|M60A3 TTS]].
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-The PTZ89 has a slightly better power-to-weight than the contemporary [[ZTZ59D1]] and [[M60A3 TTS (China)|M60A3 TTS]], but not by much, and it is still unlikely to win any races versus Leopards or OF-40s. The 8 km/h reverse speed is poor but pretty typical for a Chinese vehicle. It is more concerning than usual on the PTZ89 since the chassis is very long and reversing into cover is not easy. However, since the turret is located at the rear of the vehicle, it often makes sense to peek out of cover using the reverse gear and quickly re-enter cover by driving forward.
+The PTZ89 has a better power-to-weight ratio than the contemporary [[ZTZ59D1]] and [[M60A3 TTS (China)|M60A3 TTS]], but not by much, and it is still unlikely to win any races versus Leopards or OF-40s. The 8 km/h reverse speed is poor but pretty typical for a Chinese vehicle. It is more concerning than usual on the PTZ89 since the chassis is very long and reversing into cover is not easy. However, since the turret is located at the rear of the vehicle, it often makes sense to peek out of cover using the reverse gear and quickly re-enter cover by driving forward.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=cn_ptz_89 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
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 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
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-! colspan="5" | [[PTZ89 (120 mm)|120 mm PTZ89]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[PTZ89 (120 mm)|120 mm PTZ89]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
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 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+! Autoloader
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+18° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 13.2 || 18.3 || 22.2 || 24.6 || 26.1 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
+| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+18° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 15.8 || 21.9 || 26.6 || 29.4 || 31.3 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
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 ! ''Realistic''
-| 8.9 || 10.5 || 12.8 || 14.1 || 15.0
+| 10.7 || 12.6 || 15.3 || 16.9 || 18.0
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Pintle || 600 (150) || 700 || -5°/+60° || ±180°
+| Pintle || 600 (150) || 600 || -6°/+85° || ±180°
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 ==== Ammunition ====
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+{{:PTZ89 (120 mm)/Ammunition|DYW1, DYS120}}
 The PTZ89 has two choices of ammunition. The stock DYW1 APFSDS should definitely be the round of choice: it has outstanding muzzle velocity and penetration, knocking all contemporary APFSDS rounds out of the park. The flat penetration of up to 443 mm is enough to penetrate the turret of the [[M1 Abrams]] and the angled penetration of up to 256 mm at 60 degrees is better than the top 3BM42 "Mango" APFSDS used by most top-tier Soviet tanks. It also has a good weight and produces more spalling than typical 105 mm APFSDS rounds, so one-shot kills are quite common when shooting at the center mass of enemy tanks. The only Western tanks the PTZ89 can meet that have some resistance to DYW1 are the British [[Chieftain Mk 10]] and [[Challenger Mk.2]]/[[Challenger Mk.3|Mk.3]]. The Chieftain has a very well armoured left turret cheek (right side from an attacker's perspective). The upper portion of the Challengers' turret cheeks and the sections immediately to the left and right of their gun barrels are impenetrable. These trolly turrets are only a complication if they are entirely hull-down since DYW1 will slice through their hull armour with ease. The various T-64s and T-72s have tough turrets as well, but they are typically not encountered often and a successful hull penetration will usually destroy them in one hit.