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U41331469: Updated guidance and train for primary armament.

2024-05-15T04:35:09Z

Updated guidance and train for primary armament.

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-03-05T22:13:08Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: Edits

2022-09-07T21:46:58Z

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U38088265: U38088265 moved page Elco 77 ft PT-59 to PT-59: Renamed in 2.7

2021-06-03T07:42:37Z

U38088265 moved page Elco 77 ft PT-59 to PT-59: Renamed in 2.7

U38088265: Edits

2021-05-18T12:14:40Z

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U38088265: Updated format

2021-01-15T12:00:23Z

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U36063762 at 12:05, 29 December 2020

2020-12-29T12:05:23Z

U38088265: /* Usage in battles */ Edits

2020-12-15T18:22:19Z

‎Usage in battles: Edits

U16423519: /* Usage in battles */ Helping a low tier destroyer

2020-12-11T18:49:39Z

‎Usage in battles: Helping a low tier destroyer

U102596129: /* Pros and cons */

2020-11-18T18:09:35Z

‎Pros and cons

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 The Bofors cannons take approximately 10 seconds to do a full 360-degree turn, The bow cannon is limited to a 190-degree range and the cannon at the aft is limited to 280 degrees, the cannons overheat after firing for 15 to 17 second consecutively, the cannons become almost ineffective at ranges above 2 km (1.25 mi, 6,560 ft).
 * '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}
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 The AN- M2 machine guns can fire until they run out of ammo, overall these are mostly used against smaller boats and planes, mostly ineffective at ranges above 1 km (0.62 mi, 3,280 ft).
 * '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|API-T|M20 armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|M1 incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=us_elco_77ft_pt59 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 The Bofors cannons take approximately 10 seconds to do a full 360-degree turn, The bow cannon is limited to a 190-degree range and the cannon at the aft is limited to 280 degrees, the cannons overheat after firing for 15 to 17 second consecutively, the cannons become almost ineffective at ranges above 2 km (1.25 mi, 6,560 ft).
-;Available Ammunition
+* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer}}
-* Universal: AP-T/HEFI-T/AP-T/HEFI-T (The Universal belt is the starting of ammunition, it's pretty much good against anything but it may not be too good against armoured gunboats.)
+{{:Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (40 mm)/Ammunition|HEFI-T, AP-T}}
 === Secondary armament ===
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 The AN- M2 machine guns can fire until they run out of ammo, overall these are mostly used against smaller boats and planes, mostly ineffective at ranges above 1 km (0.62 mi, 3,280 ft).
-;Available Ammunition
+* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|API-T|M20 armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|M1 incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|M2 armour-piercing}}
-* Universal: API-T/AP/I/AP
+{{:AN-M2 (12.7 mm)/Ammunition|AP, I, API-T}}
 == Usage in battles ==

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 {{main|Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (40 mm)}}
-The Bofors cannons take approximately 10 seconds to do a full 360-degree turn, The bow cannon is limited to a 190-degree range and the cannon at the aft is limited to 280 degrees, the cannons overheat after firing for 15 to 17 second consecutively, the cannons become almost ineffective at ranges above 2Km(1.25Mi, 6560ft).
+The Bofors cannons take approximately 10 seconds to do a full 360-degree turn, The bow cannon is limited to a 190-degree range and the cannon at the aft is limited to 280 degrees, the cannons overheat after firing for 15 to 17 second consecutively, the cannons become almost ineffective at ranges above 2 km (1.25 mi, 6,560 ft).
 ;Available Ammunition
 * Universal: AP-T/HEFI-T/AP-T/HEFI-T (The Universal belt is the starting of ammunition, it's pretty much good against anything but it may not be too good against armoured gunboats.)
-* 40mm HE clips: HEFI-T/HEFI-T/HEFI-T/AP-T (The HE clips is good against boats with little armour and planes.)
+* 40 mm HE clips: HEFI-T/HEFI-T/HEFI-T/AP-T (The HE clips is good against boats with little armour and planes.)
-* 40mm AP clips:  AP-T/HEFI-T/HEFI-T/HEFI-T (The AP clips is better suited to go against armoured gunboats and harassing destroyers since the ammo may not be enough to take down a destroyer.)
+* 40 mm AP clips:  AP-T/HEFI-T/HEFI-T/HEFI-T (The AP clips is better suited to go against armoured gunboats and harassing destroyers since the ammo may not be enough to take down a destroyer.)
 === Secondary armament ===
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 {{main|AN-M2 (12.7 mm)}}
-The AN- M2 machine guns can fire until they run out of ammo, overall these are mostly used against smaller boats and planes, mostly ineffective at ranges above 1 km (0.62 mi, 3280 ft).
+The AN- M2 machine guns can fire until they run out of ammo, overall these are mostly used against smaller boats and planes, mostly ineffective at ranges above 1 km (0.62 mi, 3,280 ft).
 ;Available Ammunition
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 There is of course danger in the attention brought by being too close to a destroyer and it may still be hard to avoid being exposed to fire.
-<big>'''Threats against this ship'''</big>
+'''Threats against this ship'''
 '''SF 40 Leichte'''
-The SF 40 Leichte is one of the most dangerous enemies against you. Armed with four 4 x 20 mm turrets and having very good survivability with spaced turrets. One salvo from this vessel and you will be sent back to the hangar. Since it has a battle rating of 2.7, it will be quite common to see these and most of the times you will be engaging this vessel at long range due to its poor speed. To combat this. There are 2 options: run or push with friendlies.
+The SF 40 Leichte is one of the most dangerous enemies against you. Armed with four 4 x 20 mm turrets and having very good survivability with spaced turrets. One salvo from this vessel and you will be sent back to the hangar. At its BR, it will be quite common to see these and most of the times you will be engaging this vessel at long range due to its poor speed. To combat this. There are 2 options: run or push with friendlies.
 Due to its poor speed, you can easily disengage or relocate to a better position to snipe at it with you 40 mm as your guns have better range and the SF 40 Leichte is quite a late target.
-The second option is to push with friendlies. This option is riskier but is a quick and effective way to do deal with it. If you are able to surprise it and catch it between reloads and disable the turrets or can be dispatched quickly. However, its superior firepower at close range will one-shot you with one salvo.
+The second option is to push with friendlies. This option is riskier but is a quick and effective way to do deal with it. If you are able to surprise it and catch it between reloads and disable the turrets or can be dispatched quickly. However, its superior firepower at close range will knock you out with one salvo.
 '''Kanonenboot K-2 (German) / Syonan (Japanese)'''
-These 2 vessels are quite similar, having two 120mm cannons and multiple smaller calibre guns, it can quickly dispatch you. Lacking torpedoes and your HE rounds having trouble penetrating the hull, this vessel can become quite a pain. Most of the time you friendlies will see this large vessel and may be able to damage it enough for you to get the final blow or for you to relocate to a new position. However, is the case that you are faced in a 1v1. Your best option is to try to outflank it. Running away will most likely result in your death as its two 120 mm guns will easily catch you, even at long distances. The first module to aim for when outflanking or the engine or the turrets, thus making it easier to outflank.
+These 2 vessels are quite similar, having two 120 mm cannons and multiple smaller calibre guns, it can quickly dispatch you. Lacking torpedoes and your HE rounds having trouble penetrating the hull, this vessel can become quite a pain. Most of the time you friendlies will see this large vessel and may be able to damage it enough for you to get the final blow or for you to relocate to a new position. However, is the case that you are faced in a 1v1. Your best option is to try to outflank it. Running away will most likely result in your death as its two 120 mm guns will easily catch you, even at long distances. The first module to aim for when outflanking or the engine or the turrets, thus making it easier to outflank.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 == See also ==
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 * ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[Elco 80 ft PT-565]]
 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''
 {{ShipManufacturer Elco}}
 {{USA boats}}

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 The boat's hull and superstructure are made of wood (40 mm and 15 mm respectively), the Bofors L/60 Mk 3 cannons have a 9.52 mm shield and the hull-mounted AN-M2 machine guns have a 12.7 mm shield, the elevated AN-M2s don't have any gun shield.
-Despite this lack of armour, the PT-59 has enough firepower to outmatch most boats at its Battle Rating(3.0), however engaging more than 2 boats at once without having friendly support isn't recommended, you should also be careful when going against armoured gunboats and boats with much bigger crews.
+Despite this lack of armour, the PT-59 has enough firepower to outmatch most boats at its battle rating, however engaging more than 2 boats at once without having friendly support isn't recommended, you should also be careful when going against armoured gunboats and boats with much bigger crews.
 === Mobility ===
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 <!-- ''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.'' -->
-The PT-59 is powered by 3 Packard V12 M2500 engines, It takes around 14 seconds to reach full speed (AB: 97 km/h, 60 mph)(RB: 72 km/h, 45 mph) and 18 seconds to stop, it takes 10 seconds to reach full speed in reverse (AB: -34 km/h, -21 mph)(RB -25 km/h, -16 mph), and a full 360 turn takes around 18 seconds in AB (around 24 seconds in RB).
+The PT-59 is powered by 3 Packard V12 M2500 engines, It takes around 14 seconds to reach full speed (AB: 97 km/h, 60 mph) (RB: 72 km/h, 45 mph) and 18 seconds to stop, it takes 10 seconds to reach full speed in reverse (AB: -34 km/h, -21 mph) (RB -25 km/h, -16 mph), and a full 360 turn takes around 18 seconds in AB (around 24 seconds in RB).
 {{NavalMobility}}
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 {{main|AN-M2 (12.7 mm)}}
-The AN- M2 machine guns can fire until they run out of ammo, overall these are mostly used against smaller boats and planes, mostly ineffective at ranges above 1Km (0.62Mi, 3280ft).
+The AN- M2 machine guns can fire until they run out of ammo, overall these are mostly used against smaller boats and planes, mostly ineffective at ranges above 1 km (0.62 mi, 3280 ft).
 ;Available Ammunition
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 '''Ambush tactics'''
-The strategy requires the player to use the mobility of the boat to get to a strategic position of the map before other enemies are able to reach that place. Typically this would be hiding behind an island or a static objects on the map. Position the boat perpendicular to the object in front of you. This allows you to have the full broadside of you 40 mm Bofors cannons and if needed, your .50 calibre machine guns. This takes advantage of your excellent speed and negates the lack of amour and poor survivability. Lots of unsuspecting players will not be able to outgun you, allowing for easy pickings.
+The strategy requires the player to use the mobility of the boat to get to a strategic position of the map before other enemies are able to reach that place. Typically this would be hiding behind an island or a static objects on the map. Position the boat perpendicular to the object in front of you. This allows you to have the full broadside of you 40 mm Bofors cannons and if needed, your .50 calibre machine guns. This takes advantage of your excellent speed and negates the lack of armour and poor survivability. Lots of unsuspecting players will not be able to outgun you, allowing for easy pickings.
 '''Speedy attacks'''

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-{{Specs-Card|code=us_elco_77ft_pt59}}
+{{Specs-Card
 == Description ==
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 == General info ==
 === Survivability and armour ===
 <!--Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.-->
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 === Mobility ===
 <!--Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.-->
 The PT-59 is powered by 3 Packard V12 M2500 engines, It takes around 14 seconds to reach full speed (AB: 97 km/h, 60 mph)(RB: 72 km/h, 45 mph) and 18 seconds to stop, it takes 10 seconds to reach full speed in reverse (AB: -34 km/h, -21 mph)(RB -25 km/h, -16 mph), and a full 360 turn takes around 18 seconds in AB (around 24 seconds in RB).
 == Armament ==
 === Primary armament ===
 <!--Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.-->
 {{Main|Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (40 mm)}}
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 === Secondary armament ===
 <!--Some ships are fitted with weapons of various calibres. Secondary armaments are defined as weapons chosen with the control <code>Select secondary weapon</code>. Evaluate the secondary armaments and give advice on how to use them. Describe the ammunition available for the secondary armament. Provide recommendations on how to use them and which ammunition to choose. Remember that any anti-air armament, even heavy calibre weapons, belong in the next section. If there is no secondary armament, remove this section.-->
 {{Main|AN-M2 (12.7 mm)}}
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 * .50 AP belt: API-T/AP/AP/AP
 * .50APIT belt: API-T/API-T/API-T/I
 == Usage in battles ==

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 == Usage in battles ==
-<!--Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don’t get try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).-->
+<!-- ''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 There are multiple ways to play this vehicle
 '''Ambush tactics'''
 The strategy requires the player to use the mobility of the boat to get to a strategic position of the map before other enemies are able to reach that place. Typically this would be hiding behind an island or a static objects on the map. Position the boat perpendicular to the object in front of you. This allows you to have the full broadside of you 40 mm Bofors cannons and if needed, your .50 calibre machine guns. This takes advantage of your excellent speed and negates the lack of amour and poor survivability. Lots of unsuspecting players will not be able to outgun you, allowing for easy pickings.
 '''Speedy attacks'''
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 This tactic is able to be employed by should only be used if needed, e.g. capturing a zone or harassing larger vessels. You will want to accelerate to full speed and zigzag your way through enemy fire, it is paramount that you do not slow down. When close to an enemy ship you can deploy your smoke, open your full broadside and fire into the enemy ship, then making a hasty retreat. When capturing a zone (this is not advisable) you want to deploy your smoke and try to conceal yourself, as soon as the zone is captured, like above making a hasty retreat.
 '''Destroyer's pet'''
-While it can be risky one thing which can potentially provide a certain mutual force modifier is teaming up with a lower tier destroyer. Maybe of the rank one destroyers have extremely limited amounts of weapons ideal for dealing with fast moving vessels or small aircraft at shorter range. Between this and their physical size it means that under the wrong circumstances these vessels can find themselves vulnerable to a quick dash by a diver bomber, small torpedo bomber or fast torpedo boat when the distances are short. Lightly armoured fast torpedo boats in particular can be fairly quickly taken out but your 40mm and .50cal fire and with some well placed shooting your weapons provide some protection against aircraft. Meanwhile the destroyer often can perform well against more difficult match ups for you, well armoured gun boats at a range your weapons must struggle with and weapons of kind and quantity of a threat to you are also often slow enough to make fine targets for their higher calibre, longer range weapons.
+While it can be risky, you may be able to benefit from teaming up with a lower tier destroyer. Many of the rank I destroyers have extremely limited amounts of weapons ideal for dealing with fast moving vessels or small aircraft at shorter range. Between this and their physical size it means that under the wrong circumstances these vessels can find themselves vulnerable to a quick dash by a dive bomber, small torpedo bomber, or fast torpedo boat when the distances are short. Lightly armoured fast torpedo boats in particular can be fairly quickly taken out by your 40 mm and .50cal fire and with some well placed shooting your weapons provide some protection against aircraft. Meanwhile the destroyer often can perform well against more difficult match ups for you, well-armoured gun boats and the longer-range opponents.
-There is of course danger in the attention brought by being too close to a destroyer and it may still be hard to avoid being exposed to fire power suitable to ripping your lightly armoured vessel apart while accompanying a destroyer.
+There is of course danger in the attention brought by being too close to a destroyer and it may still be hard to avoid being exposed to fire.
 <big>'''Threats against this ship'''</big>
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 '''SF 40 Leichte'''
-The SF 40 Leichte is one of the most dangerous enemies against you. Armed with four 4x20mm turrets and having very good survivability with spaced turrets. One salvo from this vessel and you will be sent back to the hangar. Since it has a battle rating of 2.7, it will be quite common to see these and most of the times you will be engaging this vessel at long range due to its poor speed. To combat this. There are 2 options: run or push with friendlies.
+The SF 40 Leichte is one of the most dangerous enemies against you. Armed with four 4 x 20 mm turrets and having very good survivability with spaced turrets. One salvo from this vessel and you will be sent back to the hangar. Since it has a battle rating of 2.7, it will be quite common to see these and most of the times you will be engaging this vessel at long range due to its poor speed. To combat this. There are 2 options: run or push with friendlies.
 Due to its poor speed, you can easily disengage or relocate to a better position to snipe at it with you 40 mm as your guns have better range and the SF 40 Leichte is quite a late target.
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 The second option is to push with friendlies. This option is riskier but is a quick and effective way to do deal with it. If you are able to surprise it and catch it between reloads and disable the turrets or can be dispatched quickly. However, its superior firepower at close range will one-shot you with one salvo.
-'''Kanonenboot K-2 （German)/ Syonan (Japanese)'''
+'''Kanonenboot K-2 （German) / Syonan (Japanese)'''
 These 2 vessels are quite similar, having two 120mm cannons and multiple smaller calibre guns, it can quickly dispatch you. Lacking torpedoes and your HE rounds having trouble penetrating the hull, this vessel can become quite a pain. Most of the time you friendlies will see this large vessel and may be able to damage it enough for you to get the final blow or for you to relocate to a new position. However, is the case that you are faced in a 1v1. Your best option is to try to outflank it. Running away will most likely result in your death as its two 120 mm guns will easily catch you, even at long distances. The first module to aim for when outflanking or the engine or the turrets, thus making it easier to outflank.
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 {| class="wikitable"
 ! Tier
-! colspan="1" | Seakeeping
+! Seakeeping
 ! colspan="2" | Unsinkability
 ! colspan="3" | Firepower
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 === Pros and cons ===
-<!--Summarize and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - they have a substitution in the form of softer "inadequate", "effective".-->
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
 * The ships 12.7 mm machine guns can easily destroy lightly armoured ships, and works as a great anti-aircraft armament for low flying aircraft

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	This tactic is able to be employed by should only be used if needed, e.g. capturing a zone or harassing larger vessels. You will want to accelerate to full speed and zigzag your way through enemy fire, it is paramount that you do not slow down. When close to an enemy ship you can deploy your smoke, open your full broadside and fire into the enemy ship, then making a hasty retreat. When capturing a zone (this is not advisable) you want to deploy your smoke and try to conceal yourself, as soon as the zone is captured, like above making a hasty retreat.		This tactic is able to be employed by should only be used if needed, e.g. capturing a zone or harassing larger vessels. You will want to accelerate to full speed and zigzag your way through enemy fire, it is paramount that you do not slow down. When close to an enemy ship you can deploy your smoke, open your full broadside and fire into the enemy ship, then making a hasty retreat. When capturing a zone (this is not advisable) you want to deploy your smoke and try to conceal yourself, as soon as the zone is captured, like above making a hasty retreat.
		+
		+	'''Destroyer's pet'''
		+
		+	While it can be risky one thing which can potentially provide a certain mutual force modifier is teaming up with a lower tier destroyer. Maybe of the rank one destroyers have extremely limited amounts of weapons ideal for dealing with fast moving vessels or small aircraft at shorter range. Between this and their physical size it means that under the wrong circumstances these vessels can find themselves vulnerable to a quick dash by a diver bomber, small torpedo bomber or fast torpedo boat when the distances are short. Lightly armoured fast torpedo boats in particular can be fairly quickly taken out but your 40mm and .50cal fire and with some well placed shooting your weapons provide some protection against aircraft. Meanwhile the destroyer often can perform well against more difficult match ups for you, well armoured gun boats at a range your weapons must struggle with and weapons of kind and quantity of a threat to you are also often slow enough to make fine targets for their higher calibre, longer range weapons.
		+
		+	There is of course danger in the attention brought by being too close to a destroyer and it may still be hard to avoid being exposed to fire power suitable to ripping your lightly armoured vessel apart while accompanying a destroyer.

	<big>'''Threats against this ship'''</big>		<big>'''Threats against this ship'''</big>