PG87 (25 mm) - Revision history

U4656018: Adding the heritage of ZPT90 from PG87

2024-06-21T14:44:29Z

Adding the heritage of ZPT90 from PG87

U44629479: /* Available ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-02-05T18:10:49Z

‎Available ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U4656018: /* Description */ adding links to ZU-23, its ancestor

2022-08-05T22:08:08Z

‎Description: adding links to ZU-23, its ancestor

U38088265 at 08:28, 25 June 2022

2022-06-25T08:28:27Z

U4656018: /* Pros and cons */ revision on its reload rate

2022-06-25T03:55:22Z

‎Pros and cons: revision on its reload rate

U44629479: Edits

2022-03-16T11:50:01Z

Edits

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U4656018: The overall description and performance of PG87

2022-03-15T23:55:31Z

The overall description and performance of PG87

U38088265: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */ Updated

2021-06-05T12:02:09Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon: Updated

U38088265: Created page

2020-05-28T10:45:36Z

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== Description ==
''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|cn_zsd63_pg87}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''

=== Available ammunition ===
''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''
*

'''Cons:'''
*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
* ''other literature.''

{{China anti-aircraft guns}}

[[Category:Anti-aircraft guns]]

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-The '''25 mm PG87''' (PG87式25毫米双管高射炮) is a Chinese anti-aircraft gun. It is the enlarged version of the previous 23 mm PG85 anti-aircraft gun, the reverse-engineered version of the Soviet [[ZU-23 (23 mm)|ZU-23-2]].
+The '''25 mm PG87''' (PG87式25毫米双管高射炮) is a Chinese anti-aircraft gun. It is the enlarged version of the previous 23 mm PG85 anti-aircraft gun, the reverse-engineered version of the Soviet [[ZU-23 (23 mm)|ZU-23-2]]. The gun was also used as the basis of [[ZPT90 (25 mm)|ZPT90]] turret system for ZBD86-I and [[ZSL92]].
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 <!-- ''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.'' -->
 After the certification of the reverse-engineered PG85 23 mm anti-aircraft gun in 1985, an upgraded version of this gun with 25 mm calibre dubbed PG87 was then passed certification in 1987,in view of the Oerlikon KBA equipping some NATO countries. With new IR tracking gunsight, it served as an enhanced version of the PG85 and was used as field tow AA gun and on the later PGZ95/[[PGZ04A|04A]] SPAAG.
 == Media ==

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 * '''Type 87 AP:'''{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
-{| class="wikitable sortable"
+{{:{{PAGENAME}}/Ammunition|FI-T*, AP-T}}
 === Comparison with analogues ===

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-The '''25 mm PG87''' (PG87式25毫米双管高射炮) is a Chinese anti-aircraft gun. It is the enlarged version of the previous 23 mm PG85 anti-aircraft gun, the reverse-engineered version of the Soviet ZU-23-2.
+The '''25 mm PG87''' (PG87式25毫米双管高射炮) is a Chinese anti-aircraft gun. It is the enlarged version of the previous 23 mm PG85 anti-aircraft gun, the reverse-engineered version of the Soviet [[ZU-23 (23 mm)|ZU-23-2]].
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

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 The default belt itself has a balanced arrangement of shells of AP-T and FI-T, more than enough to gun down even the toughest aircraft at their tiers if it is careless enough to come into range. while Type 87 AP is still enough to gun down tanks with thinner sides, but it struggles to penetrate Soviet tanks with thicker sides.
-There is a major drawback for PG87: its reload time. For the towed gun version found on ZSD63, it takes up to 16 seconds to reload, which is very fatal in heated fight, so do conserve ammo and wait until the target is within 800 m: the target will have lesser chance to escape the short burst of 25 mm shells.
+There is a major drawback for PG87: its reload time. For the towed gun version found on ZSD63, it takes up to 17 seconds to reload, which is very fatal in heated fight, so do conserve ammo and wait until the target is within 800 m: the target will have lesser chance to escape the short burst of 25 mm shells.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Small ammo pool for the towed version
-* Relatively long reload time (at least 15 second before aced)
+* Relatively long reload time (up to 17 seconds)
 * Type 87 AP-T round still struggles to penetrate tanks with over 70 mm side armour

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 === Available ammunition ===
 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
 * '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|FI-T*|Fragmentation incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}
 * '''Type 87 HE:''' {{Annotation|FI-T*|Fragmentation incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}
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 The default belt itself has a balanced arrangement of shells of AP-T and FI-T, more than enough to gun down even the toughest aircraft at their tiers if it is careless enough to come into range. while Type 87 AP is still enough to gun down tanks with thinner sides, but it struggles to penetrate Soviet tanks with thicker sides.
-There is a major drawback for PG87: its reload time. For the towed gun version found on ZSD63, it takes up to 35 seconds to reload, which is very fatal in heated fight, so do conserve ammo and wait until the target is within 800 m: the target will have lesser chance to escape the short burst of 25 mm shells.
+There is a major drawback for PG87: its reload time. For the towed gun version found on ZSD63, it takes up to 16 seconds to reload, which is very fatal in heated fight, so do conserve ammo and wait until the target is within 800 m: the target will have lesser chance to escape the short burst of 25 mm shells.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Small ammo pool for the towed version
-* Very long reload time (takes up to 35 seconds to reload for the towed version)
+* Relatively long reload time (at least 15 second before aced)
 * Type 87 AP-T round still struggles to penetrate tanks with over 70 mm side armour
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
 * ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 == General info ==
 <!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
-The overall design of the PG87 is very similar to its reverse-engineered Soviet counterpart, the ZU-23-2 while being larger and used 25x183 mmB cartridge as its selected ammunition; giving it a straight ballistic and higher velocity (1,050 m/s;970-980 m/s) than ZU-23-2, comparable to the 25 mm Oerlikon KBA autocannon.
+The overall design of the PG87 is very similar to its reverse-engineered Soviet counterpart, the ZU-23-2. Based on a larger 25x183 mmB cartridge, it has a straight ballistic trajectory and a high muzzle velocity.
 === Available ammunition ===
 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
-* '''Default:''' AP-T · FI-T*
+* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|FI-T*|Fragmentation incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}
-* '''Type 87 HE:''' FI-T*
+* '''Type 87 HE:''' {{Annotation|FI-T*|Fragmentation incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}
-* '''Type 87 AP:''' AP-T
+* '''Type 87 AP:'''{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
 {| class="wikitable sortable"
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 | Type 87 AP || 63 || 60 || 47 || 35 || 26 || 19
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 |}
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 === Comparison with analogues ===
 <!-- ''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.'' -->
-Thanks to the overall larger calibre of 25 mm, the PG87 has a straighter trajectory compare to the Soviet ZU-23-2 and its quad-mount [[AZP-23 (23 mm)|AZP-23]] found on the [[ZSU-23-4]], although the lesser choice on ammunition might seem disappointing at first glance; the default penetration from Type 87 AP-T round can penetrates most NATO vehicles' sides, its rate of fire also helps it gunning down its targets.
+Thanks to the overall larger calibre of 25 mm, the PG87 has a straighter trajectory compare to the Soviet ZU-23-2 and its [[AZP-23 (23 mm)|AZP-23]] quad-mount found on the [[ZSU-23-4]], although the lesser choice on ammunition might seem disappointing at first glance; the default penetration from Type 87 AP-T round can penetrates most NATO vehicles' sides, its rate of fire also helps it gunning down its targets.
-While shared similar traits to [[Oerlikon KBA (25 mm)|Oerlikon KBA]], PG87 doesn't come with any type of APDS round (however, ZPT90 based on PG87 does), which could be a drawback against vehicles with thicker sides.
+It has a high muzzle velocity (1,050 m/s) than the ZU-23-2 (970 and 980 m/s), comparable to the 25 mm Oerlikon KBA autocannon. However, the Oerlikon cannon can fire APDS rounds at an even higher velocity. While it shares similar traits to the [[Oerlikon KBA (25 mm)|25 mm Oerlikon KBA]], the PG87 doesn't come with any type of APDS round.
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' -->
-At first glance, the gun does looks like a ZU-23-2 from Soviet Union, but its 25 mm calibre become the major difference between these two guns; it was aimed to be comparable to NATO's Oerlikon KBA, thus having a higher velocity and higher penetration than ZU-23-2. The default belt itself has a balanced arrangement of shells of AP-T and FI-T, more than enough to gun down even the toughest aircraft at their tiers if they are careless enough to enter its kill-zone.
+The default belt itself has a balanced arrangement of shells of AP-T and FI-T, more than enough to gun down even the toughest aircraft at their tiers if it is careless enough to come into range. while Type 87 AP is still enough to gun down tanks with thinner sides, but it struggles to penetrate Soviet tanks with thicker sides.
-While overall being better than its Soviet counterpart, there is a major drawback for PG87: its reload rate. For the towed gun version found on ZSD63, it takes up to 35 seconds to reload, which is very fatal in heated fight, so do conserve ammo and wait until the target is within 800 m- the target will have lesser chance to escape the short burst of 25 mm shells; it also doesn't compatible with ZPT90's 25 mm APDS shell found on IFVs, thus leading to a lower penetration than Oerlikon KBA (M791 with 91 mm penetration at point-blank); while Type 87 AP is still enough to gun down tanks with thinner sides, but it struggles to penetrate Soviet tanks with thicker sides.
+There is a major drawback for PG87: its reload time. For the towed gun version found on ZSD63, it takes up to 35 seconds to reload, which is very fatal in heated fight, so do conserve ammo and wait until the target is within 800 m: the target will have lesser chance to escape the short burst of 25 mm shells.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * High muzzle velocity and penetration
 * High rate of fire
-* Type 87 FI-T round has high explosive mass
+* The Type 87 FI-T round has high explosive mass
 '''Cons:'''
 * Small ammo pool for the towed version
-* Slow reload time (takes up to 35 seconds to reload for the towed version)
+* Very long reload time (takes up to 35 seconds to reload for the towed version)
 * Type 87 AP-T round still struggles to penetrate tanks with over 70 mm side armour
 == History ==
 <!-- ''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.'' -->
-After the certification of the reverse-engineered PG85 23 mm anti-aircraft gun in 1985, an upgraded version of this gun with 25 mm calibre in view of NATO's Oerlikon KBA, dubbed PG87 was then passed certification in 1987 with new IR tracking gunsight, serving as an enhanced version of PG85 and was used as field tow AA gun or as the composition of the later PGZ95/[[PGZ04A|04A]] SPAAG.
+After the certification of the reverse-engineered PG85 23 mm anti-aircraft gun in 1985, an upgraded version of this gun with 25 mm calibre dubbed PG87 was then passed certification in 1987,in view of the Oerlikon KBA equipping some NATO countries. With new IR tracking gunsight, it served as an enhanced version of the PG85 and was used as field tow AA gun and on the later PGZ95/[[PGZ04A|04A]] SPAAG.
 == Media ==

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