PBM-5A "Mariner" - Revision history

U44629479: Undo revision 194343 by U156980633 (talk)

2024-11-01T05:23:15Z

Undo revision 194343 by U156980633 (talk)

U156980633: pro and cons

2024-10-31T21:00:58Z

pro and cons

U173465928: Added more descriptions on flight performanec, payload, armaments and also the pros and cons

2024-10-22T11:59:59Z

Added more descriptions on flight performanec, payload, armaments and also the pros and cons

U44629479: Edits

2024-10-20T20:57:24Z

Edits

U138631783: the survivability was edited.

2024-10-19T18:53:10Z

the survivability was edited.

U8910148: Pros

2024-10-19T15:35:40Z

Pros

U38088265: Reverted edits by U103311480 (talk) to last revision by U47105246

2024-09-17T17:59:54Z

Reverted edits by U103311480 (talk) to last revision by U47105246

U103311480: I added the description of its historical development and equipment, later I will add its use in combat.

2024-09-17T07:08:11Z

I added the description of its historical development and equipment, later I will add its use in combat.

U47105246: /* History */

2024-09-17T03:40:49Z

‎History

U47105246: /* Details */

2024-09-17T03:37:21Z

‎Details

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 === Flight performance ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
-<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
+<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->The flight performance on this vehicle ( like every single PBM) is rather poor, with a really bad top speed, acceleration, climb rate, manouverability and speed limit, its almost a sitting duck on air battles, its only redeming quality is in terms of defensive armament, payload and insanely durable airframe. Turning and diving should be avoided, due to the amount of energy bleed, terrible dive performance, climb rate, compression and wing rip speed and also climbing is '''ESSENTIAL''' for the survival of the plane, even if the plane has a really bad climb rate. Even with its better engines, they dont make much diference on an airframe that big.
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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-The PBM-5A "Mariner" is not very survivable. The PBM-5A is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers.
+The PBM-5A "Mariner" is not very survivable. The PBM-5A is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers. To increase the chance of survival and making it tothe target, the PBM must side climb to the sides of the map, while doing some 5 degrees climbing when the plane is about 300kmh, even if it is slow and might take a while. If done so, the majority of the anemy team will be below, and by the time the vehicle gets to the bases, its altitude will be about 6000m depending on the map, making it almost untouchable and free to drop all the payload on the bases and also the airfield if possible.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 == Armaments ==
-{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
+{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}The PBM does not have any kind of offensive armament, making it only able to deal damage with its multiple turrets, which means that any kind of engagements with an enemy plane should me avoided.
 === Suspended armament ===
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 * 8 x Type A Mark I mines
 {{Navigation-End}}
-Note that equipping [[Mk.13-6 (2,216 lb)|Mk.13-6 torpedoes]] will block landing gear, and needs to be deployed or jettisoned in order to allow the landing gear to unfold.
+Note that equipping [[Mk.13-6 (2,216 lb)|Mk.13-6 torpedoes]] will block landing gear, and needs to be deployed or jettisoned in order to allow the landing gear to unfold. The best payload to outfit this plane are the Type A Mark I mines, because at its battle rating of 3.7, a singular bomb can take out a base, which means that its possible to wipe out 3 bases and an airfield with a single run (Its a big IF). With its amazing payload, a singular pbm is a force to be reckoned with if left alone close to the bases.
 === Defensive armament ===
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 * 2 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, tail turret (1,000 rpg = 2,000 total)
 * 1 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (420 rpg)
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+'''Realistic Battles:'''
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Can land on either land or water
-* Carry up to 8.000kg of bomb (x8 1.000kg bomb)
+* Gigantic payloads, removing almost the entire need to rearm
-* Great defense
+* Lots of defensive turrets
-* Access to radar
+* Extremely survivable at tha Battle Rating
 '''Cons:'''
--Poor climb rate
+* Extremely bad flight performance
+* Huge target and if not on a good altitude food for enemy fighters
--Low speed
+* No offensive armaments
+* Belly is vulnerable to enemy fighters
--weak armoured
+* Any kind of damage ruins its already bad flight performance
+*

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 === Flight performance ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
-<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->The flight performance on this vehicle ( like every single PBM) is rather poor, with a really bad top speed, acceleration, climb rate, manouverability and speed limit, its almost a sitting duck on air battles, its only redeming quality is in terms of defensive armament, payload and insanely durable airframe. Turning and diving should be avoided, due to the amount of energy bleed, terrible dive performance, climb rate, compression and wing rip speed and also climbing is '''ESSENTIAL''' for the survival of the plane, even if the plane has a really bad climb rate. Even with its better engines, they dont make much diference on an airframe that big.
+<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-The PBM-5A "Mariner" is not very survivable. The PBM-5A is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers. To increase the chance of survival and making it tothe target, the PBM must side climb to the sides of the map, while doing some 5 degrees climbing when the plane is about 300kmh, even if it is slow and might take a while. If done so, the majority of the anemy team will be below, and by the time the vehicle gets to the bases, its altitude will be about 6000m depending on the map, making it almost untouchable and free to drop all the payload on the bases and also the airfield if possible.
+The PBM-5A "Mariner" is not very survivable. The PBM-5A is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 == Armaments ==
-{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}The PBM does not have any kind of offensive armament, making it only able to deal damage with its multiple turrets, which means that any kind of engagements with an enemy plane should me avoided.
+{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 === Suspended armament ===
@@ Line 119: / Line 119: @@
 * 8 x Type A Mark I mines
 {{Navigation-End}}
-Note that equipping [[Mk.13-6 (2,216 lb)|Mk.13-6 torpedoes]] will block landing gear, and needs to be deployed or jettisoned in order to allow the landing gear to unfold. The best payload to outfit this plane are the Type A Mark I mines, because at its battle rating of 3.7, a singular bomb can take out a base, which means that its possible to wipe out 3 bases and an airfield with a single run (Its a big IF). With its amazing payload, a singular pbm is a force to be reckoned with if left alone close to the bases.
+Note that equipping [[Mk.13-6 (2,216 lb)|Mk.13-6 torpedoes]] will block landing gear, and needs to be deployed or jettisoned in order to allow the landing gear to unfold.
 === Defensive armament ===
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 * 2 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, tail turret (1,000 rpg = 2,000 total)
 * 1 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (420 rpg)
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-'''Realistic Battles:'''
+''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Can land on either land or water
-* Gigantic payloads, removing almost the entire need to rearm
+* Carry up to 8.000kg of bomb (x8 1.000kg bomb)
-* Lots of defensive turrets
+* Great defense
-* Extremely survivable at tha Battle Rating
+* Access to radar
 '''Cons:'''
-* Extremely bad flight performance
+-Poor climb rate
-* Huge target and if not on a good altitude food for enemy fighters
-* No offensive armaments
+-Low speed
-* Belly is vulnerable to enemy fighters
-* Any kind of damage ruins its already bad flight performance
+-weak armoured
+*

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 === Flight performance ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
-<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
+<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->The flight performance on this vehicle ( like every single PBM) is rather poor, with a really bad top speed, acceleration, climb rate, manouverability and speed limit, its almost a sitting duck on air battles, its only redeming quality is in terms of defensive armament, payload and insanely durable airframe. Turning and diving should be avoided, due to the amount of energy bleed, terrible dive performance, climb rate, compression and wing rip speed and also climbing is '''ESSENTIAL''' for the survival of the plane, even if the plane has a really bad climb rate. Even with its better engines, they dont make much diference on an airframe that big.
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
@@ Line 70: / Line 70: @@
 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-The PBM-5A "Mariner" is not very survivable. The PBM-5A is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers.
+The PBM-5A "Mariner" is not very survivable. The PBM-5A is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers. To increase the chance of survival and making it tothe target, the PBM must side climb to the sides of the map, while doing some 5 degrees climbing when the plane is about 300kmh, even if it is slow and might take a while. If done so, the majority of the anemy team will be below, and by the time the vehicle gets to the bases, its altitude will be about 6000m depending on the map, making it almost untouchable and free to drop all the payload on the bases and also the airfield if possible.
 === Modifications and economy ===
@@ Line 76: / Line 76: @@
 == Armaments ==
-{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
+{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}The PBM does not have any kind of offensive armament, making it only able to deal damage with its multiple turrets, which means that any kind of engagements with an enemy plane should me avoided.
 === Suspended armament ===
@@ Line 119: / Line 119: @@
 * 8 x Type A Mark I mines
 {{Navigation-End}}
-Note that equipping [[Mk.13-6 (2,216 lb)|Mk.13-6 torpedoes]] will block landing gear, and needs to be deployed or jettisoned in order to allow the landing gear to unfold.
+Note that equipping [[Mk.13-6 (2,216 lb)|Mk.13-6 torpedoes]] will block landing gear, and needs to be deployed or jettisoned in order to allow the landing gear to unfold. The best payload to outfit this plane are the Type A Mark I mines, because at its battle rating of 3.7, a singular bomb can take out a base, which means that its possible to wipe out 3 bases and an airfield with a single run (Its a big IF). With its amazing payload, a singular pbm is a force to be reckoned with if left alone close to the bases.
 === Defensive armament ===
@@ Line 132: / Line 134: @@
 * 2 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, tail turret (1,000 rpg = 2,000 total)
 * 1 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (420 rpg)
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+'''Realistic Battles:'''
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Can land on either land or water
 '''Cons:'''
+*

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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-The PBM 5A mariner is not very survivable. The PBM is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers.
+The PBM-5A "Mariner" is not very survivable. The PBM-5A is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers.
 === Modifications and economy ===

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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.''
+The PBM 5A mariner is not very survivable. The PBM is very slow,and cannot climb well, making it vulnerable to any sort of enemy fighter, or even other bombers.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 == Armaments ==
 {{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 === Suspended armament ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
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 * Can land on either land or water
 '''Cons:'''

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| 405 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || 450{{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 475 || 409 || 320 || ~3.9 || ~1.9
+| 405 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 405 || 405 || 320 || ~__ || ~__
 |-
 |}
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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 |-
-| < 260 || < 220 || < 230 || > 312
+| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || > ___
 |-
 |}
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 * Can land on either land or water
 '''Cons:'''
+*
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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-In 1944, the final version of the Mariner, the PBM-5, entered service. This model included upgraded radios, turrets, and radar, in addition to new R-2800 engines that were more reliable than the troublesome R-2600s installed on the PBM-3. One of the most innovative features of this version was the provision for Jet Assisted Takeoff (JATO) bottles. These were ideal for making short takeoffs in the heavy Pacific sea conditions frequently encountered on "Dumbo" rescue missions flown for B-29 crews that had to bail out or ditch.
+''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
 == Media ==