P.108B serie 2 - Revision history

U44629479: Edits

2022-08-26T08:25:04Z

Edits

U3312106: /* Details */

2021-02-18T14:02:14Z

‎Details

U15720885: Changed number of aircraft in-game in the Pros that can carry 3 torpedoes, as the AM-1 can too.

2021-02-16T13:03:20Z

Changed number of aircraft in-game in the Pros that can carry 3 torpedoes, as the AM-1 can too.

U3312106: /* External links */

2021-01-23T17:02:08Z

‎External links

U38088265: Updated format

2020-12-31T12:22:39Z

Updated format

U36063762 at 12:01, 24 December 2020

2020-12-24T12:01:04Z

U44629479: /* See also */ Added vehicles

2020-12-01T12:36:12Z

‎See also: Added vehicles

U38088265: /* Usage in battles */

2020-12-01T11:35:52Z

‎Usage in battles

U44629479: /* Media */ Added skin + video

2020-12-01T09:28:19Z

‎Media: Added skin + video

U57926: /* Usage in battles */ Added. P51

2020-11-30T23:47:47Z

‎Usage in battles: Added. P51

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 The Piaggio P.108B serie 2 is a typical heavy bomber. It should always avoid enemy fighter aircraft if possible, the Piaggio P.108B serie 2 is a massive plane and it does not like taking hits especially in the wings where the plane carries its massive fuel load. If an enemy plane is going to attack you, do not go head-on as you have no gunners or any guns at all at the front of the plane. Always give them your tail so your gunners can shoot at them.
 The P.108B serie 2 is a heavy bomber with a heavy bomb load and relatively weak defensive armament. When delivering the bombs to the targets, high altitudes are a must. The preferred targets of this bomber are stationary objects like pillboxes or slow moving vehicles such as ships (if you can time it well) and of course the bomb targets and airfields. Should an enemy fighter catch up with you, it is certain doom as your defensive guns have a low chance to kill it. To survive attacks, use your gunners to ward off the enemy aircraft until help comes. Stay away from combat as much as you can and do your job as a bomber.
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 {{Specs-Economy}}
-# The first upgrade on this plane you should get is the MCSAP100 for access to the 100kg bombs. Afterwards you should get the radiator next and the 7.7 mm belts. Get the Fuselage repair last.
+# The first upgrade on this plane you should get is the MCSAP100 for access to the 100 kg bombs. Afterwards you should get the radiator next and the 7.7 mm belts. Get the Fuselage repair last.
-# At the 2nd tier modification, the torpedo is a must if you want to get the better bombs. Afterwards focus on getting the air frame (for better durability), and compressor (for better performance) and for last get the new 7.7 mm turret.
+# At the 2nd tier modification, the torpedo is a must if you want to get the better bombs. Afterwards focus on getting the airframe (for better durability), and compressor (for better performance) and for last get the new 7.7 mm turret.
 # Third tier modification, the 12.7 mm turret belts is a must for defensive firepower, afterwards the engine modification, then the wings repair, and finally the MCGP250KG.
-# Fourth Tier modification, get the MCRO500 which is the best bombs you can use, then the Engine Injection and new 12.7mm turrets and finally the cover.
+# Fourth Tier modification, get the MCRO500 which is the best bombs you can use, then the Engine Injection and new 12.7 mm turrets and finally the cover.
 == Armaments ==
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 * 7 x 250 kg GP 250 bombs (1,750 kg total)
 * 7 x 500 kg GP 500 bombs (3,500 kg total)
 === Defensive armament ===
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 * Turrets on the engines cannot face forwards
 * Poor manoeuvrability and climb rate
-* No nose mounted gun, susceptible to frontal attack/head-ons
+* No nose-mounted gun, susceptible to frontal attacks/head-ons
 * Prone to fuel tank fire due to tremendous fuel load
 * Massive size
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 Casiraghi's next attempt was a major redesign, this time using aluminium as the primary structure material. Now a low wing design, it had a larger fuselage, more defensive turrets, and more powerful engines resulting in the P.108. Because he was working in the US at the time the B-17 first flew and was likely well informed of aviation advances, it is possible Casiraghi took some inspiration from the Flying Fortress, but for sure this was an original design. The finished design was very robust and could carry a heavy load over long distances, but its non-turbocharged engine did not offer the altitude or speed of the B-17. The P.108 was also one of the first aircraft to offer hydraulically powered remote control turrets, located in each of the outboard engines with gunners sitting mid fuselage, and a retractable hydraulic powered turret predating the famed B-17's ventral ball turret (not the same as "dust bin" type that lowered under the aircraft, but the weapon was moved by hand).
-In 1941 the first P.108s were delivered to a single unit, the 274a ''Squadriglia'' (274th Squadron). Being far larger, heavier, and a little more troublesome than other Italian aircraft, a number of accidents ensued from inexperience with this beast of an aircraft. One casualty was the commander of the 274a ''Squadriglia'', Bruno Mussolini, son of ''Benito'' Mussolini. Bruno was considered a skilled and serious pilot thus likely earned his position as commander, so the cause of the 7 August 1941 accident is speculative.
+In 1941 the first P.108s were delivered to a single unit, the 274a Squadriglia (274th Squadron). Being far larger, heavier, and a little more troublesome than other Italian aircraft, a number of accidents ensued from inexperience with this beast of an aircraft. One casualty was the commander of the 274a Squadriglia, Bruno Mussolini, son of Benito Mussolini. Bruno was considered a skilled and serious pilot thus likely earned his position as commander, so the cause of the 7 August 1941 accident is speculative.
 During the war P.108's performed a number of long range missions in the Mediterranean with no notable success. It was an effective bomber, but the numbers where never sufficient to impact the Allies. Loses mounted changing tactics and removing weight. By the time Italy surrendered only 9 of the approximately 24 built P.108B's remained. An interesting footnote, over a dozen of the transport version, P.108T, were also built, most of those were confiscated by the Germans and used to evacuate troops on the Eastern Front.
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+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=p_108b_serie2 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 400 || 400 || 249 || ~3 || ~2
+| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 383 || 361 || 249 || ~3 || ~2
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 * 2 turrets are placed on the distant engines allowing for more guns to face backwards
 * Heavy payload available
-* One of two planes (the other being the P.108B Serie 1) in game that can carry 3 torpedoes
+* One of three planes (the others being the [[P.108B serie 1|P.108B Serie 1]] and [[AM-1]]) in game that can carry 3 torpedoes
 * As compared to the previous P.108B (the Serie 1) this one has fully armoured seats for the pilots as well as armoured plates for the wing gunners control positions
 * Extremely cheap repair costs (compared to other tier 4 bombers)
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 ;Related development
 * [[P.108A serie 2]]
 * [[P.108B serie 1]]
 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * [[Me 264]]
 * [[Pe-8]]

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 * ''other literature.'' -->
 * [[wikipedia:Piaggio_P.108|[Wikipedia] Piaggio P.108]]
 * [https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=815 <nowiki>[Military Factory]</nowiki> Piaggio P.108]

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 {{About
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 | usage = other versions
 | link = P.108 (Family)
 }}
 == Description ==
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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]].
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 === Modifications and economy ===
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 == Armaments ==
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 === Pros and cons ===

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 == General info ==
 === Flight performance ===
 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
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 === Survivability and armour ===
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 * 8 mm Steel - Ventral gunner position
 * 8 mm Steel - Wing gunners remote positions x 2
 == Armaments ==
 === Suspended armament ===
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 {{main|GP 50 (50 kg)|GP 100 (100 kg)|GP 250 (250 kg)|GP 500 (500 kg)|F200/450 (450 mm)}}
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 === Defensive armament ===
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 {{main|Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)}}

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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[P.108A serie 2]]  - An earlier variant of the P.108.
+;Related development
-* [[P.108B serie 1]] - An earlier variant of the P.108B.
+* [[P.108A serie 2]]
-* [[PB4Y-2 (France)|PB4Y-2]] - A French bomber in the same rank.
+* [[P.108B serie 1]]
-* [[Tu-2S-44 (China)|Tu-2S-44]] - A Chinese bomber in the same rank.
-* [[G5N1]] - A Japanese bomber in the same rank.
+;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
-* [[Lancaster B Mk I]] and [[Lancaster B Mk III|Mk III]] - British bombers in the same rank.
+* [[Me 264]]
-* [[Yer-2 (ACh-30B) (e)]] and [[Yer-2 (ACh-30B) (l)|(l)]] - Russian bombers in the same rank.
+* [[Pe-8]]
-* [[Do 217 K-1]] and [[Do 217 M-1|M-1]] - German bombers in the same rank.
+* [[Halifax B Mk IIIa]]
-* [[B-17G-60-VE]] - An American bomber in the same rank.
+* [[Stirling B Mk I]]
 == External links ==

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 == Usage in battles ==
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-Much like other heavy bombers in-game, one wants to unlock the heaviest loads ASAP and reach the strategic bomb point ASAP. The best defenses are the rear hemisphere, with wing turrets offering an exceptional area of coverage and solid firepower. With that in mind the best survival technique, if unable to climb above the enemy, is to fly close to the ground. Avoid letting enemies attack from directly below or in front.  In RB matches with tank columns on the road, the 34 x 100 kg bomb load is effective at destroying armored columns, laying a dense line along the road the convoy is on will score kills and possibly win the match.  Otherwise use the max load of 7 x 500 kg bombs for medium tanks and strategic targets.  When using torpedoes, load all 3, skim the surface of water and make use of islands as you stealthy approach target.  Spread the drop to increase chance of 1 torpedo hitting, unless point blank, then all can be rapidly dropped.
+Much like other heavy bombers in-game, one wants to unlock the heaviest loads ASAP and reach the strategic bomb point ASAP. The best defences are the rear hemisphere, with wing turrets offering an exceptional area of coverage and solid firepower. With that in mind the best survival technique, if unable to climb above the enemy, is to fly close to the ground. Avoid letting enemies attack from directly below or in front. In RB matches with tank columns on the road, the 34 x 100 kg bomb load is effective at destroying armoured columns, laying a dense line along the road the convoy is on will score kills and possibly win the match. Otherwise, use the max load of 7 x 500 kg bombs for medium tanks and strategic targets. When using torpedoes, load all 3, skim the surface of water and make use of islands as for a stealthy approach to the target. Spread the drop to increase the chance of 1 torpedo hitting, unless point blank, then all three can be rapidly dropped.
 === Manual Engine Control ===

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 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 == See also ==