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 == Usage in battles ==
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-=== '''Air Battles''' ===
+;Air Battles
-As with the other [[P-47 (Family)|P-47]]<nowiki/>s, it is highly recommended to primarily use [[Boom & Zoom]] (BnZ) tactics for this aircraft. You may need to side climb in order to get into a viable position, given that many Allied aircraft, especially P-47s have similar or better climb rates and can gain an altitude advantage on you a good amount of the time.
 It is highly recommended to not try and turn with the aircraft you are tailing, as doing so will quickly bleed energy and cause the P-47D-16-RE (Germany) to become easy pickings. Due to the relatively heavy weight of the aircraft, it will usually maneuver slower than enemy aircraft turnfights. Instead, using Boom and Zoom tactics, after your first pass initiate a relatively steep climb. This will allow you to once again take the altitude advantage on the enemy, which will give more opportunities for BnZing. When climbing back up, however, it is advisable to pay attention to what enemy aircraft may be around. Not being vigilant during the climb out can allow enemies to get into killing positions and destroy you before you can react.
-=== '''Ground Battles''' ===
+;Ground Battles
 The P-47D-16-RE (Germany) does not offer any secondary payload options, so its capabilities in the [[Close Air Support]] (CAS) role is reduced compared to Allied P-47 variants.
-=== '''Simulator/EC''' ===
+;Simulator/EC
 In Simulator/Enduring Confrontation, bulkier planes that may struggle in AB & RB can shine. Sitting at BR 3.7, the lowest BR for Rank 3 EC, it can respawn infinitely which makes it a great learning platform for new EC players. In Sim, the P-47D-16-RE (Germany) has very stable control handling and fast speed. However, as mentioned above, this aircraft has no suspended armaments, relegating its use to traditional BnZ fighting, light ground pounding and bomber hunting.
-====== Bomber Hunting ======
+''Bomber Hunting''
-It is recommended to be careful when hunting bombers, since with the Sim control (whether using mouse joystick or a real stick) will cause the plane will manoeuvre much more gently than other gamemode's controls, making itself an easier target for the bomber's gunners. Following behind a bomber's tail with active gunners will likely ensure your destruction. The large radial engine of the P-47D-16-RE (Germany) will often get damaged when taking fire from the front.
 Instead of launching an attack directly behind the bomber, it is recommended to gain an altitude advantage over the bomber by flying around 2 km above it. The most advantageous position for an attack is above and behind the bomber so that you can adjust for lead easier and retain speed for maneuverability. To maximise damage it is recommended to aim for a bomber's wings and engines, as the fuselage usually soaks up large amounts of bullets without taking critical damage. Although the window for attack might seem inadequate, the 8x [[M2 Browning (12.7 mm)|M2 Browning]] heavy machine guns on the P-47D-16-RE (Germany) are quite destructive. Sometimes, it only takes one bullet to set critical components of the target aflame.
-====== Dogfighting ======
+''Dogfighting''
-As for dogfighting, because almost all aerial battles in Sim occurs at or below 3,000 m, the P-47D-16-RE (Germany) can easily climb to this altitude and gather plenty of speed before engaging. Most dogfighting tactic are similar to the tactics mentioned above.
 If, unfortunately, you find yourself being chased and you are unfamiliar with defensive manoeuvres, you can do a large, smooth turn towards the nearest friendly airfield. Following this turn, you can go into a shallow dive towards the airfield. The P-47D-16-RE (Germany) can easily outrun opponents like the [[I-16 (Family)|I-16]] or [[IL-2 (Family)|IL-2]], but might struggle to outrun faster aircraft such as the [[P-51 (Family)|P-51]], [[P-38 (Family)|P-38]] or other [[P-47 (Family)|P-47]]<nowiki/>s.
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 Another way of disengaging from a dogfight is to do a sudden split-S turn to dodge under the pursuer. Average Sim players will generally try to look for you in the direction of the initial turn. If performed quickly enough, they may immediately lose track of you. After successfully breaking away, you can then either run for your airfield or initiate a shallow climb to set up an attack.
-====== Ground Attack ======
+''Ground Attack''
 For ground pounding, you can dive at a shallow angle to approach the target. This will allow you to get as close as possible to the target without crashing into the ground. The M2 Browning machine guns are very good for killing unarmored trucks, AA guns and artillery pieces. However, while attacking ground targets it is recommended to be on high alert for enemies, especially ones in your blind spots behind and above you.
-'''Enemies worth noting:'''
+;Enemies worth noting
 *[[Me 264]]: This giant is one of the few bombers who get air spawns in Sim, so it usually flies at very high altitudes. On top of this, the Me 264 is armed with large calibre machine guns and cannons covering almost all angles. Therefore, tailing an Me 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the Me 264 almost like a [[B-17 (Family)|B-17]] or [[B-29A-BN|B-29]] as they are similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is highly recommended to attack the Me 264 in a head-on, as you can easily knock out the pilots due to the Me 264's unarmored cockpit while also taking minimal risk of damage. Another thing to note is that the Me 264 lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below. However, be wary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm [[MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 151]] cannon near the tail. As mentioned above, the most recommended way to attack this bomber is from a higher altitude, diving at an oblique angle and focusing fire on the wings and nose. It is inadvisable to attack this bomber if you have no altitude advantage.
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 * Large ammo capacity
 * Tough airframe that can take significant damage
-* Can confuse Allied players in Sim battles due to being a captured P-47
+* Can confuse Allied players in Simulator battles due to being a captured P-47
-* Bright yellow underbelly and large German roundels can alert friendly units to your alliance
+* Bright yellow underbelly and large German roundels can notify friendly units to your alliance
 '''Cons:'''
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 At least two other captured P-47s saw service in the German ranks, being used for reconnaissance, testing and propaganda.
+{{break}}
 == Media ==
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 == Media ==
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-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 == History ==
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-There are a few instances of captured P-47's having been used by the Luftwaffe. On November 7, 1943 a P-47 piloted by U.S. 2nd Lt. William E. Roach made an emergency landing on a German airfield. The pilot was made prisoner and the Thunderbolt was given German markings T9+LK, presumably having been used for reconnaissance over England before D-Day. This plane was recaptured later by the Americans when they took the airfield it was based at. At least two other captured P-47's saw service under the Germans, being used for recon, testing and propaganda.
+There are a few instances of captured P-47s having been used by the Luftwaffe. On 7 November 1943, a P-47 piloted by U.S. 2nd Lt. William E. Roach made an emergency landing on a German airfield. The pilot was made prisoner and the Thunderbolt was given German markings T9+LK, presumably having been used for reconnaissance over England before D-Day. This plane was recaptured later by the Americans when they took the airfield it was based at. At least two other captured P-47s saw service in the German ranks, being used for reconnaissance, testing and propaganda.
 == Media ==

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 == History ==
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-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
+There are a few instances of captured P-47's having been used by the Luftwaffe. On November 7, 1943 a P-47 piloted by U.S. 2nd Lt. William E. Roach made an emergency landing on a German airfield. The pilot was made prisoner and the Thunderbolt was given German markings T9+LK, presumably having been used for reconnaissance over England before D-Day. This plane was recaptured later by the Americans when they took the airfield it was based at. At least two other captured P-47's saw service under the Germans, being used for recon, testing and propaganda.
 == Media ==

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 The pilot and fuel tanks have decent armour protection from the front, but the engine is vulnerable from the front. The pilot has no armour protection from the rear, leaving him vulnerable.
-* 38 mm Bulletproof Glass - Windshield
+* 38 mm Bulletproof glass - Windshield
-* 9.5 mm Steel - Below Windshield
+* 9.5 mm Steel - Below windshield
-* 9.5 mm Steel - Behind Engine, In Front of Fuel Tanks and Pilot
+* 9.5 mm Steel - Behind engine, in front of fuel tanks and pilot
-* Self-Sealing fuel tanks (1 under pilot, in front of pilot's legs)
+* Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 under pilot, in front of pilot's legs)
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 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-*[[Me 264]] (mixed battle): This giant is one of the few bombers who get air spawns in Sim, so it usually flies higher than you think. On top of this, the Me 264 is armed with large calibre machine guns and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be weary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage.
+*[[Me 264]] (mixed battle): This giant is one of the few bombers who get air spawns in Sim, so it usually flies higher than you think. On top of this, the Me 264 is armed with large calibre machine guns and cannons all over it, therefore tailing a 264 is basically suicide unless all of their gunners are knocked out. You can treat the 264 almost like a B-29 or B-17 as they are very similar in both design and defensive capabilities. It is best to head-on the 264 if you can as you can easily knock out the pilots due to its glazed nose while also taking minimal damage. However the bomber lacks a ventral turret on its belly, making it easy to deal damage from below, but be wary of the downwards facing rear 20 mm cannon near the tail. The safest way to attack is from a higher altitude, dive at an oblique angle and focus fire on the wings and nose. Never engage if you have no altitude advantage.
 *[[Bf 110 (Family)|Bf 110]], [[Ki-45 (Family)|Ki-45]], [[A-26 (Family)|A-26]]: As mentioned before, those twin engine aircraft are a big threat since their lack of manoeuvrability comparing to single engine fighters are minimised in Sim. They are usually armed with heavy guns & cannons in the nose, so an accurate burst will tear any plane apart, including the P-47. The P-47 manoeuvres rather sluggishly and you might get out-turned from even those heavy fighters, so engage them with either altitude or speed advantage to avoid being targeted. If they are not manoeuvring aggressively, aim for their wings or engines. If the fight is intense and you cannot smooth the aim, just burst anywhere as long as you hit them, the 12.7 mm bullets will damage their flight models quite a bit.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]], replacing the [[P-47D (Germany)|Previous version]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]], replacing the [[P-47D (Germany)]].
 == General info ==