Object 685 - Revision history

U104930763: /* Main armament */ it has autoloader, table can be simplified

2024-01-06T12:27:13Z

‎Main armament: it has autoloader, table can be simplified

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-08-06T10:12:25Z

‎Description

U126556775: New description format

2023-08-05T23:24:20Z

New description format

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-28T18:13:20Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U47842170: Sharpening the comparison to the Obj. 906 by mentioning the missing reverse gearbox on the Obj. 685.

2022-09-23T08:53:53Z

Sharpening the comparison to the Obj. 906 by mentioning the missing reverse gearbox on the Obj. 685.

U47842170: /* Mobility */

2022-09-22T08:19:07Z

‎Mobility

U47842170: /* Mobility */

2022-09-22T08:16:14Z

‎Mobility

U38088265: /* Mobility */ Updated

2022-09-17T14:48:04Z

‎Mobility: Updated

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Updated

2021-09-13T14:00:47Z

‎Ammunition: Updated

U44629479: Edits

2021-07-16T21:18:00Z

Edits

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 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 40 || rowspan="2" | -4°/+17° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 19.0 || 26.4 || 32.0 || 35.4 || 37.7 || rowspan="2" | 6.00 || rowspan="2" | 6.00 || rowspan="2" | 6.00 || rowspan="2" | 6.00
+| rowspan="2" | 40 || rowspan="2" | -4°/+17° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 19.0 || 26.4 || 32.0 || 35.4 || 37.7 || rowspan="2" | 6.00
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a proposed replacement for the PT-76. It competed with two other designs, namely Object 788 and Object 934. The project's notable requirements were to develop a vehicle with a maximum combat weight of 15 tons, armed with a rifled 100-mm gun, an 9K111 "Fagot" anti-tank missile system, and a 12.7 mm machine gun. The project's protection predictions included anti-nuclear features like automatic sealing and air filtration capabilities, and the ability to withstand up to 23mm AP rounds. Object 788 was disqualified for not including the 9K111 "Fagot" anti-tank missile system, trench-digging equipment, and a water-jet propulsion system. However, both Object 934 and {{Specs|name}} managed to pass the initial design evaluation, suggesting that they showed promise despite lacking certain components. It is likely that these designs were later taken into consideration for modifications and improvements to incorporate the missing criteria. Nevertheless, the production was eventually abandoned because they were unable to garner enough interest to continue. Still, later Soviet AFV designs made extensive use of many of the components & design solutions found in Object 934 and {{Specs|name}}, showing that their potential was recognized and put to good use.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a proposed replacement for the PT-76. It competed with two other designs, namely Object 788 and Object 934. The project's notable requirements were to develop a vehicle with a maximum combat weight of 15 tons, armed with a rifled 100-mm gun, an 9K111 "Fagot" anti-tank missile system, and a 12.7 mm machine gun. The project's protection requirements included anti-nuclear features like automatic sealing and air filtration capabilities, and the ability to withstand up to 23 mm AP rounds. Object 788 was disqualified for not including the 9K111 "Fagot" anti-tank missile system, trench-digging equipment, and a water-jet propulsion system. However, both Object 934 and {{Specs|name}} managed to pass the initial design evaluation, suggesting that they showed promise despite lacking certain components. It is likely that these designs were later taken into consideration for modifications and improvements to incorporate the missing criteria. Nevertheless, the production was eventually abandoned because they were unable to garner enough interest to continue. Still, later Soviet AFV designs made extensive use of many of the components and design solutions found in Object 934 and {{Specs|name}}, showing that their potential was recognized and put to good use.
-The {{Specs|name}} was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It is a powerful and versatile vehicle that is well-suited for flanking. It features excellent forward mobility, a 6 second reload cannon, and a sufficient 3BM25 shell. However, its main drawbacks are its subpar survivability, lack of thermal sights, and poor gun depression. Even despite that, the {{Specs|name}} remains a good choice for players who prefer a more careful yet aggressive and fast-paced playstyle.
+The {{Specs|name}} was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It is a powerful and versatile vehicle that is well-suited for flanking. It features excellent forward mobility, a 6-second reload cannon, and a sufficient 3BM25 shell. However, its main drawbacks are its subpar survivability, lack of thermal sights, and poor gun depression. Even despite that, the {{Specs|name}} remains a good choice for players who prefer a more careful yet aggressive and fast-paced playstyle.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a proposed replacement for the PT-76. It competed with two other designs, namely Object 788 and Object 934. The project's notable requirements were to develop a vehicle with a maximum combat weight of 15 tons, armed with a rifled 100-mm gun, an 9K111 "Fagot" anti-tank missile system, and a 12.7 mm machine gun. The project's protection predictions included anti-nuclear features like automatic sealing and air filtration capabilities, and the ability to withstand up to 23mm AP rounds. Object 788 was disqualified for not including the 9K111 "Fagot" anti-tank missile system, trench-digging equipment, and a water-jet propulsion system. However, both Object 934 and {{Specs|name}} managed to pass the initial design evaluation, suggesting that they showed promise despite lacking certain components. It is likely that these designs were later taken into consideration for modifications and improvements to incorporate the missing criteria. Nevertheless, the production was eventually abandoned because they were unable to garner enough interest to continue. Still, later Soviet AFV designs made extensive use of many of the components & design solutions found in Object 934 and {{Specs|name}}, showing that their potential was recognized and put to good use.
 == General info ==

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:2A48 (100 mm)/Ammunition|3BK17M, 3D3, BR-412D, 3BM25, OF-412}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=705|rbMinHp=402}}
-Mobility wise, the Object 685 can be considered as a slightly heavier [[Object 906]] compensated by a noticeable stronger engine and a different gear box. It is not slow but is not the fastest light tank at the battle-rating. When downtiered, it is able to be faster than most tracked vehicles (most of them reach as most 65 km/h while this can reach more than 70 km/h) with exception of the [[Rooikat 105]], [[Rooikat Mk.1D]] and [[Radkampfwagen 90]]. It's suspension is a relatively soft suspension, meaning it will not damp as much in rough terrain but due to its thin tracks, the surface the tracks have on the floor make it be relatively slow on snow and sand (but faster than many tracked vehicles). It is fully amphibious which makes the Object 685 capable of crossing water bodies which can give an advantage (Eastern Europe river for example) but the speed while on water is lacklustre.
+Mobility wise, the Object 685 can be considered as a slightly heavier [[Object 906]] compensated by a noticeable stronger engine and a different gear box (note the missing reverse gearbox). It is not slow but is not the fastest light tank at the battle-rating. When downtiered, it is able to be faster than most tracked vehicles (most of them reach as most 65 km/h while this can reach more than 70 km/h) with exception of the [[Rooikat 105]], [[Rooikat Mk.1D]] and [[Radkampfwagen 90]]. It's suspension is a relatively soft suspension, meaning it will not damp as much in rough terrain but due to its thin tracks, the surface the tracks have on the floor make it be relatively slow on snow and sand (but faster than many tracked vehicles). It is fully amphibious which makes the Object 685 capable of crossing water bodies which can give an advantage (Eastern Europe river for example) but the speed while on water is lacklustre.
 === Modifications and economy ===

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 '''Notes:'''
 * Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick and tracks are 20 mm thick
 * The armour on the Object 685 is Alloy ABT-101. The armour values in the chart are displayed in rolled homogeneous armour equivalence.
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 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=705|rbMinHp=402}}
-Mobility wise, the Object 685 can be considered as a "heavier" [[Object 906]]. It is not slow but is not the fastest light tank at the battle-rating. When downtiered, it is able to be faster than most tracked vehicles (most of them reach as most 65 km/h while this can reach 75 km/h) with exception of the [[Rooikat 105]], [[Rooikat Mk.1D]] and [[Radkampfwagen 90]]. It's suspension is a relatively soft suspension, meaning it will not damp as much in rough terrain but due to its thin tracks, the surface the tracks have on the floor make it be relatively slow on snow and sand (but faster than many tracked vehicles). It is fully amphibious which makes the Object 685 capable of crossing water bodies which can give an advantage (Eastern Europe river for example) but the speed while on water is lacklustre.
+Mobility wise, the Object 685 can be considered as a slightly "heavier" [[Object 906]] compensated by a noticeable stronger engine. It is not slow but is not the fastest light tank at the battle-rating. When downtiered, it is able to be faster than most tracked vehicles (most of them reach as most 65 km/h while this can reach more than 70 km/h) with exception of the [[Rooikat 105]], [[Rooikat Mk.1D]] and [[Radkampfwagen 90]]. It's suspension is a relatively soft suspension, meaning it will not damp as much in rough terrain but due to its thin tracks, the surface the tracks have on the floor make it be relatively slow on snow and sand (but faster than many tracked vehicles). It is fully amphibious which makes the Object 685 capable of crossing water bodies which can give an advantage (Eastern Europe river for example) but the speed while on water is lacklustre.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ussr_object_685 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

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 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-{{tankMobility|abMinHp=620|rbMinHp=354}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=705|rbMinHp=402}}
-Mobility wise, the Object 685 can be considered as a "heavier" [[Object 906]]. It is not slow but is not the fastest light tank at the battle-rating. When downtiered, it is able to be faster than most tracked vehicles (most of them reach as most 65 kph while this can reach 75 kph) with exception of the [[Rooikat 105]], [[Rooikat Mk.1D]] and [[Radkampfwagen 90]]. It's suspension is a relatively soft suspension, meaning it will not damp as much in rough terrain but due to its thin tracks, the surface the tracks have on the floor make it be relatively slow on snow and sand (but faster than many tracked vehicles). It is fully amphibious which makes the Object 685 capable of crossing water bodies which can give an advantage (Eastern Europe river for example) but the speed while on water is lacklustre.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 ! Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 |-
-| 3D3 || 880 || 15.6 || 20 || 5 || 25 || 272
+| 3D3 || 880 || 15.6 || 20 || 5 || 25 || 50
 |-
 |}

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 {{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
-{{main|2A48 (100 mm)}}The Object 685 has the same ballistics as the [[D-10T2S (100 mm)|D-10T2S]] 100mm cannon even sharing the same ammunition. Thus, the use of the gun should be the same as the [[T-55A]]. At 8.7, the gun is capable of destroying all enemy vehicles from the front (with exception of the [[Maus]] glacis) with is powerful dart. Despite not having the most powerful dart at the battle-rating, the 6.0 second reload of the auto loader makes the Object 685 a formidable quick firing tank, capable of destroying multiple enemies with relative speed.
+{{main|2A48 (100 mm)}}
-'''Important: ''in order to let the auto loader load, the gunner must be alive'''''
+The Object 685 has the same ballistics as the [[D-10T2S (100 mm)|D-10T2S]] 100 mm cannon even sharing the same ammunition. Thus, the use of the gun should be the same as the [[T-55A]]. The gun is capable of destroying all enemy vehicles it faces from the front (with exception of the [[Maus]] glacis) with its powerful APFSDS shell. Despite not having the most powerful dart at the battle rating, the 6 second reload of the autoloader makes the Object 685 a formidable quick firing tank, capable of destroying multiple enemies with relative speed.
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
+! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 |-
 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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 | 3BK17M || HEATFS || 390 || 390 || 390 || 390 || 390 || 390
 |-
-| BR-412D || APCBC || 239 || 236 || 223 || 207 || 192 || 178
+| BR-412D || APCBC || 239 || 236 || 220 || 202 || 186 || 170
 |-
 | 3BM25 || APFSDS || 335 || 330 || 307 || 290 || 275 || 260

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 [[File:Obj685 xray.png|right|thumb|Object 685 X-ray view in hangar]]
-* The armour on the Object 685 is Alloy ABT-101. The armour values in the chart are displayed in rolled homogeneous armour equivalence.
+'''Armour type:'''
 {| class="wikitable"
 |-
-!''Armour''!!''Front (Slope angle)''!!''Sides''!!''Rear''!!''Roof''
+! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-|''Hull''||''54 mm''||16 mm||5 mm||6 mm
+| Hull || 54 mm || 16 mm || 5 mm || 6 mm
 |-
-|''Turret''||19 mm||16 mm||16 mm||8 mm
+| Turret || 19 mm || 16 mm || 16 mm || 8 mm
 |}
 The Object 685 is a very lightly armoured vehicle. The alloy may at first appear to be somewhat thick, but it is much less effective than rolled homogeneous armour at stopping rounds. The Object 685 can be killed by almost anything, with .50 calibre machine guns able to penetrate even parts of the front armour at close range. Additionally, the Object 685 is vulnerable to overpressure damage. The commander and gunner are somewhat far apart, but the Object has only 3 crew, so survivability is not particularly impressive. Generally, Object 685 drivers should not rely on their armour in any situation.
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 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-{{tankMobility|abMinHp=620|rbMinHp=354}}Mobility wise, the Object 685 can be considered as a "heavier" [[Object 906]]. It is not slow but is not the fastest light tank at the battle-rating. When downtiered, it is able to be faster than most tracked vehicles (most of them reach as most 65 kph while this can reach 75 kph) with exception of the [[Rooikat 105]], [[Rooikat Mk.1D]] and [[Radkampfwagen 90]]. It's suspension is a realatively soft suspension, meaning it will not damp as much in rough terrain but due to its thin tracks, the surface the tracks have on the floor make it be relatively slow on snow and sand (but faster than many tracked vehicles). It is fully amphibious which makes the Object 685 capable of crossing water bodies which can give an advantage (Eastern Europe river for example) but the speed while on water is lacklusture.
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=620|rbMinHp=354}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 |-
 |}
 * Racks 5 and 6 are first-stage ammo racks
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 '''Close Range Engagements:'''
-The Object 685 can fare well at close range due to the excellent gun handling and reload rate. Additionally, the mobility of the vehicle allows it to easily outmanoeuvre enemies at close range. However, the thin armour and hullbreak means that getting shot is usually a death sentence.
+The Object 685 can fare well at close range due to the excellent gun handling and reload rate. Additionally, the mobility of the vehicle allows it to easily outmanoeuvre enemies at close range.
 '''Long Range Engagements:'''
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 * Thin armour
 * Poor gun depression and elevation
-* Hullbreak
+* Vulnerable to overpressure
 * Lack of thermal sights
 * Small crew
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 ''- From [[wt:en/news/6332-development-object-685-return-of-the-river-mosquito-en|Devblog]]''
-In the 1970's, the Russian Ministry of Defense opted to create a replacement for the PT-76, the main to contestants being the PT-85 (also known as Object 906) and the Object 685. It was tested but did not enter service or combat. It featured components that were later used for multiple vehicles, this being the Object 688 (which ended being the BMP-2), BMD-3 and 2S25 Sprut-SD (based on BMD-3). It was made for airborne units to maintain the armoured section of airborne units, at the time those being PT-76, BMD-1 and ASU-85. It featured a greater weight than the PT-76 due to the size and main gun but feautred a more compact suspension due to being a telescopic hydraulic shock absorbers and suspension.
+In the 1970s, the Russian Ministry of Defense opted to create a replacement for the PT-76, the main to contestants being the PT-85 (also known as Object 906) and the Object 685. It was tested but did not enter service or combat. It featured components that were later used for multiple vehicles, this being the Object 688 (which ended being the BMP-2), BMD-3 and 2S25 Sprut-SD (based on BMD-3). It was made for airborne units to maintain the armoured section of airborne units, at the time those being PT-76, BMD-1 and ASU-85. It featured a greater weight than the PT-76 due to the size and main gun but featured a more compact suspension due to being a telescopic hydraulic shock absorbers and suspension.
 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 == See also ==