Nesher - Revision history

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

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‎Suspended armament: Updated

U44629479: Edits

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U120313908: Pros and Cons

2023-11-21T20:24:19Z

*Pros and Cons*

U28580205: /* Suspended armament */

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‎Suspended armament

U19352941: Correcting the wrong assumption that the Shafrir 2 has the performance of AIM9B, and that the AIM9D is far superior than Shafrir 2

2023-11-04T15:22:42Z

Correcting the wrong assumption that the Shafrir 2 has the performance of AIM9B, and that the AIM9D is far superior than Shafrir 2

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U120313908: /* Description /Added information / Flight Performance /Expanded / Usage in Battles */Added recommendations and other information

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‎Description: Added information ‎Flight Performance: Expanded ‎Usage in Battles: Added recommendations and other information

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U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2023-06-18T10:52:23Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U28580205: Undo revision 163426 by U50176945 (talk) Please do not take straight from Wikipedia

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-* Without load
+* 1 x 880 l drop tank
 * 2 x Shafrir 2 missiles
 * 2 x AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles

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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
 * [[wikipedia:IAI_Nesher|[Wikipedia] - IAI Nesher]]

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Upgraded engine to other Mirage variants
+* Upgraded engine over other Mirage variants
 * Good turn rate making it very manoeuvrable
 * Decent variety of ground ordnance
 * Able to carry 2 x 20 mm M61 Vulcan gunpods
-* Good speed and acceleration
+* Good speed and acceleration when upgraded
 '''Cons:'''
 * No countermeasures or RWR
 * Bleeds a lot of speed in turn fighting, or high angles of attack
 * Can only 2 AAMs
 * No ballistic computer
 == History ==
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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
-''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
+'''Sources:'''
-* ''topic on the official game forum;''
+* [[wikipedia:IAI_Nesher|[Wikipedia] - IAI Nesher]]
 {{AirManufacturer IAI}}
 {{Israel jet aircraft}}

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 '''Shafrir 2'''
-The Shafrir 2 is a missile comparable to AIM-9D, although having an uncaged seeker has can be used best at shorter ranges. When it comes to burn time, range, acceleration and G-tolerance, both missiles are comparable.
+The Shafrir 2 is a missile comparable to AIM-9D, although it has an uncaged seeker that can be used best at shorter ranges. When it comes to burn time, range, acceleration and G-tolerance, both missiles are comparable.
 '''AIM-9D'''
-The AIM-9D is a missile really almost identical to the Shafrir 2. However, it has a caged seeker, greatly narrowing the missile's cone of attack. Having a great range, it's best used at longer distances, 2,5km all the way up to 4km. It's best to keep in mind that poor flare resistance can be a detriment on higher BRs.
+The AIM-9D is a missile really almost identical to the Shafrir 2. However, it has a caged seeker, greatly narrowing the missile's cone of attack. Having a great range, it's best used at longer distances, 2.5 km all the way up to 4 km. It's best to keep in mind that poor flare resistance can be a detriment at higher BRs.
 '''AIM-9G'''

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 '''Shafrir 2'''
-The Shafrir 2 has short range and low G overload, similar to the Shafrir or AIM-9B. It is best used from behind enemy lines, against unaware and non-manoeuvring targets.
+The Shafrir 2 is a missile comparable to AIM-9D, although having an uncaged seeker has can be used best at shorter ranges. When it comes to burn time, range, acceleration and G-tolerance, both missiles are comparable.
 '''AIM-9D'''
-The AIM-9D is a much better missile compared to the Shafrir 2. Not only does it have much more range, it also turns better with a higher G overload, though it is still highly attracted to flares. Its improved capabilities allow it to be used a bit more aggressively compared to the Shafrir 2.
+The AIM-9D is a missile really almost identical to the Shafrir 2. However, it has a caged seeker, greatly narrowing the missile's cone of attack. Having a great range, it's best used at longer distances, 2,5km all the way up to 4km. It's best to keep in mind that poor flare resistance can be a detriment on higher BRs.
 '''AIM-9G'''

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 == Description ==
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-The "Nesher" was meant to replace the "[[Shahak]]" in the IAF. It started as a hidden project, basically as a copy of the French Mirage 5 to avoid the embargo imposed over Israel during the Six Days War. The aircraft started production in Israel in 1969, with a few changes to the design and electronics to suit Israeli needs more precisely. With the help of Dassault Aviation, different parts were smuggled into Israel. It featured Israeli made avionics, compatibility with [[Shafrir 2]] and [[AIM-9D Sidewinder|AIM-9D]] AAM, better range and an ejection seat. The aircraft showed good performance during the 1973 Yom Kipur War, and served with Israel until 1978. However, some of the single seat variants built of the Nesher found new owner in Argentina. Many were refurbished and then sold, serving in the Argentinian Air Force until 2015 by the codename "Dagger"
+The Nesher was meant to replace the [[Shahak]] in the IAF. It started as a hidden project, basically as a copy of the French Mirage 5 to avoid the embargo imposed over Israel during the Six-Day War. The aircraft started production in Israel in 1969, with a few changes to the design and electronics to suit Israeli needs more precisely. With the help of Dassault Aviation, different parts were smuggled into Israel. It featured Israeli-made avionics, compatibility with [[Shafrir 2]] and [[AIM-9D Sidewinder|AIM-9D]] AAMs, better range, and an ejection seat. The aircraft showed good performance during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and served with Israel until 1978. Some of the single seat variants of the Nesher found a new owner in Argentina. Many were refurbished and then sold, serving in the Argentinian Air Force until 2015 under the name "Dagger".
-Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]]. The Nesher flies like any other early Mirage in War Thunder. Is a fast plane with good AOA and agility as long as it has the enough speed. Compared to the Shahak, the Nesher is capable of carrying enough ground ordinance to destroy a full base, however CAS duties are not recommended since the aircraft lacks any sort of ballistics computer. It has two hard points for air to air missiles, being the AIM-9G the most capable at the end of the modifications tech tree. While the armament is nothing special for it's BR, it compensates most of it's flaws with a good flight performance. It features 2 x DEFA 30mm cannons that are very easy to aim, and when the missiles are used against enemies with no flares they are very hard to dodge. Most important thing about the Nesher is the speed, since it lacks flares, staying around mach 1 is crucial to stay alive, even more when fighting enemies like the A-10, Su-25 or Mig-21 SMT.
+Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]], the Nesher flies like any other early Mirage. It is a fast plane with good AOA and agility as long as it has enough speed. Compared to the Shahak, the Nesher is capable of carrying enough ground ordnance to destroy a full base, however CAS duties are not recommended since the aircraft lacks any sort of ballistic computer. It has two hardpoints for air-to-air missiles, the AIM-9G being the most capable option at the end of the modifications tree. While the armament is nothing special for its BR, it compensates most of its flaws with good flight performance. It features 2 x DEFA 30 mm cannons that are very easy to aim, and when the missiles are used against enemies with no flares they are very hard to dodge. The most important thing about the Nesher is the speed, since it lacks flares, staying around Mach 1 is crucial to staying alive, even more when fighting enemies like the A-10, Su-25, or MiG-21SMT.
 == General info ==
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-The Nesher is a very fast and agile aircraft like many other delta wing fighters. However, it lacks behind in terms of manoeuvrability compared to other jets of the Mirage family. But even with that, it has a good acceleration even when fully loaded when using the afterburner and is very fast at high altitudes, being capable of outmatching other fighters around it's BR with ease.
+The Nesher is a very fast and agile aircraft like many other delta wing fighters. However, it lags behind in terms of manoeuvrability compared to other jets of the Mirage family. But even with that, it has a good acceleration even when fully loaded when using the afterburner and is very fast at high altitudes, being capable of outmatching other fighters around its BR with ease.
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-The Nesher is a very interesting fighter in war thunder. It has a similar flight performance to the Mirage 5F and the Mirage III but lacks some of the electronics and missiles that make those jets very competitive in aggressive fights.
+The Nesher is a very interesting fighter. It has a similar flight performance to the Mirage 5F and the Mirage III but lacks some of the electronics and missiles that make those jets very competitive in aggressive fights.
-Because of that and it's lack of countermeasures the Neshers most important asset is retaining it's speed. Since is a very fast aircraft is better used in a support role or doing passes around the map at high speeds. Launching the missiles at priority targets that might be a threat to the Nesher or to save an ally from death. This good use of it's ammunition is extremely important since the Nesher can only carry a maximum of 2 AAM, one in each wing. It's guns, while great and easy to aim, have a low muzzle velocity and work better at low speeds when is easier to point the nose of the aircraft in the desired direction. But since they are 30mm cannons they will destroy any aircraft with a small burst, making them very reliable.
+Because of that, and its lack of countermeasures, the Nesher's most important asset is retaining its speed. Since is a very fast aircraft, it is better used in a support role or doing passes around the map at high speeds, launching the missiles at priority targets that might be a threat to the Nesher or to save an ally from death. This good use of its ammunition is extremely important since the Nesher can only carry a maximum of 2 AAMs, one on each wing. Its guns, while great and easy to aim, have a low muzzle velocity and work better at low speeds when it is easier to point the nose of the aircraft in the desired direction. But since they are 30 mm cannons, they will destroy any aircraft with a small burst, making them very reliable.
-Going for ground bases is a good option in the Nesher. Compared to the Shahak, the Nesher is capable of carrying enough bombs to destroy a full base and still carry 2 missiles for air to air kills. When doing this flying at medium altitudes and then diving to the bases is very important to stay alive, because when flying to close to the ground the enemy SPAA around the map can easily destroy or severely damage your aircraft. At the moment of approaching the base is important to go in a dive or low your altitude closer to the ground because the Nesher has no ballistics computers at all. Once the bombs are dropped the Nesher may be capable of playing aggressive in the middle of the match, since at that point most fights would have already started and enemies would be distracted. Thus climbing to high altitudes or playing to cautiously may result in a defeat, since your allies would need you helping in the fight.
+Going for ground bases is a good option in the Nesher. Compared to the Shahak, the Nesher is capable of carrying enough bombs to destroy a full base and still carry 2 missiles for air-to-air combat. When doing this, flying at medium altitudes and then diving to the bases is very important to stay alive, because when flying to close to the ground the enemy SPAA around the map can easily destroy or severely damage your aircraft. At the moment of approaching the base, it is important to go in a dive or lower your altitude closer to the ground because the Nesher has no ballistic computer at all. Once the bombs are dropped, the Nesher may be capable of playing aggressive in the middle of the match, since at that point most fights would have already started and enemies would be distracted. Thus climbing to high altitudes or playing too cautiously may result in a defeat, since your allies would need you helping in the fight.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Bleeds a lot of speed in turn fighting, or high angles of attack
 * Can only 2 AAMs
-* No ballistics computer
+* No ballistic computer
 == History ==

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-During the first two decades of its existence, the State of Israel developed a close technological alliance with the Republic of France. The primary expression of this alliance was the large-scale export of military aircraft from France to Israel, including the [[M.D.450B Ouragan (Israel)|Ouragan]], [[Vautour IIA (Israel)|Vautour]] and [[Mystere IVA (Israel)|Mystere]]. By 1965, France had helped turn the Israeli Air Force (IAF) from an improvised World War II-era operation into one of the most formidable, high-tech, jet-equipped air forces in the world. This cooperation reached its zenith in the early 1960s with the adoption of the [[Mirage IIICJ|Mirage III]] as Israel's primary fighter jet.
+During the first two decades of its existence, the State of Israel developed a close technological alliance with the Republic of France. The primary expression of this alliance was the large-scale export of military aircraft from France to Israel, including the [[M.D.450B Ouragan (Israel)|Ouragan]], [[Vautour IIA (Israel)|Vautour]] and [[Mystere IVA (Israel)|Mystere]]. By 1965, France had helped turn the Israeli Air Force (IAF) from an improvised World War II-era operation into one of the most formidable, high-tech, jet-equipped air forces in the world. This cooperation reached its zenith in the early 1960s with the adoption of the [[Shahak|Mirage III]] as Israel's primary fighter jet.
 Cooperation was so tight, in fact, that Israeli engineers were heavily involved in the development of an advanced successor to the Mirage III - the Dassault Mirage 5 - which was designed according to Israeli Air Force combat experience with the Mirage III and was tailored specifically to their requirements. Israel, still an economically-struggling nation at the time, nevertheless funded a large part of the project by purchasing 30 units of the Mirage 5 in advance of its production, with an option for 20 more.
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 The new model was named the ''Nesher'' ("Griffon Vulture"). Production started in 1969 on the first empty airframes. The weapons, electronics, seats and engines were smuggled from Dassault shortly afterwards. The first operational plane was delivered to the IAF in May 1971. Unlike the Mirage 5, the Nesher was fitted with Israeli-made avionics, improved range, an ejection seat, and additional hardpoints compatible with a wider range of AAMs including the American [[AIM-9D Sidewinder]] and the Israeli [[Shafrir 2]]. The avionics were made simpler to operate, making the plane more forgiving to rookie pilots.
-The Nesher was slightly less manoeuvrable than the [[Mirage IIICJ]] it was meant to replace, but it had a larger payload and longer range. The reduced manoeuvrability did not stop the Nesher from excelling during the Yom Kippur War of 1973, where it achieved an incredible kill-to-loss ratio of 111:3, primarily against [[MiG-19 (Family)|MiG-19s]] and [[MiG-21 (Family)|MiG-21s]].
+The Nesher was slightly less manoeuvrable than the [[Shahak]] it was meant to replace, but it had a larger payload and longer range. The reduced manoeuvrability did not stop the Nesher from excelling during the Yom Kippur War of 1973, where it achieved an incredible kill-to-loss ratio of 111:3, primarily against [[MiG-19 (Family)|MiG-19s]] and [[MiG-21 (Family)|MiG-21s]].
 Between 1971 and 1974, a total of 51 single-seat Neshers were built for combat operations, as well as 10 two-seat trainers. Production gradually stopped in 1974 as IAI factories switched over to the new Israeli Mirage variant - the [[Kfir C.7|Kfir]]. The Nesher was gradually retired from service starting in 1978. After a good lifetime serving the Israeli Air Force, many Neshers were refurbished and sold to Argentina's air force, where it was renamed the "Dagger". These aircraft retired from service as late as 2015.

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-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 == Usage in battles ==

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 The Nesher was slightly less manoeuvrable than the [[Mirage IIICJ]] it was meant to replace, but it had a larger payload and longer range. The reduced manoeuvrability did not stop the Nesher from excelling during the Yom Kippur War of 1973, where it achieved an incredible kill-to-loss ratio of 111:3, primarily against [[MiG-19 (Family)|MiG-19s]] and [[MiG-21 (Family)|MiG-21s]].
-Between 1971 and 1974, a total of 51 single-seat Neshers were built for combat operations, as well as 10 two-seat trainers. Production gradually stopped in 1974 as IAI factories switched over to the new Israeli Mirage variant - the [[Kfir C.7|Kfir]]. The Nesher was gradually retired from service starting in 1978.
+Between 1971 and 1974, a total of 51 single-seat Neshers were built for combat operations, as well as 10 two-seat trainers. Production gradually stopped in 1974 as IAI factories switched over to the new Israeli Mirage variant - the [[Kfir C.7|Kfir]]. The Nesher was gradually retired from service starting in 1978. After a good lifetime serving the Israeli Air Force, many Neshers were refurbished and sold to Argentina's air force, where it was renamed the "Dagger". These aircraft retired from service as late as 2015.
 == Media ==
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=nesher Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

Nesher - Revision history

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

U44629479: Edits

U120313908: *Pros and Cons*

U28580205: /* Suspended armament */

U19352941: Correcting the wrong assumption that the Shafrir 2 has the performance of AIM9B, and that the AIM9D is far superior than Shafrir 2

U38088265: Edits

U120313908: /* Description */Added information /* Flight Performance */Expanded /* Usage in Battles */Added recommendations and other information

U44629479: Edits

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

U28580205: Undo revision 163426 by U50176945 (talk) Please do not take straight from Wikipedia

U120313908: Pros and Cons

U120313908: /* Description /Added information / Flight Performance /Expanded / Usage in Battles */Added recommendations and other information