Mirage F1C-200 - Revision history

U38088265: /* Armaments */

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‎Armaments

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

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‎Suspended armament: Updated

U81008133: /* Pros and cons */

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‎Pros and cons

U38088265: /* Description */

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‎Description

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‎Description

U38088265: /* Details */

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‎Details

U38088265: /* Flight performance */

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‎Flight performance

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 ! colspan="5" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
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-! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs)
+! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs) !! EEGS
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-| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}}
+| {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Tick}} || {{Cross}}
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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* A choice between two presets:
+* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons, belly-mounted (135 rpg = 270 total)
-** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons, belly-mounted (135 rpg = 270 total)
+* 48 x large calibre countermeasures
-** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 553 cannons + 252 x countermeasures
+* 144 x countermeasures
 === Suspended armament ===

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-| rowspan="16" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_Mirage_F1C.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="17" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_Mirage_F1C.png]]</div>
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 ! [[DEFA 553 (30 mm)|30 mm DEFA 553]] cannons (180 rpg)
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 ! [[Matra Super 530F]] missiles
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 | colspan="8" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
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-* Without load
+* 3 x 1,200 l drop tanks
 * 72 x SNEB type 23 rockets
 * 144 x SNEB type 23 rockets

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 * 30 mm DEFA cannons have a steep learning curve, particularly against high-speed targets
 * The Matra R530s and Matra Super 530Fs are easily defeated by chaff, making them hard to use effectively
 == History ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The Mirage F1C was a result of an experiment, when a smaller swept wing design of the Mirage outfitted with the latest and more powerful SNECMA Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine garnered the interest of Dassault engineers as a possible future replacement to the existing Mirage III and Mirage 5 fighters. Thus the Mirage F1 was born, and it went into service with France in 1974. The Mirafe F1C-200 is very similar to the Mirage F1C, but it now has access to an air-refuelling probe also extended the length of the fuselage by 7 cm. Some Mirage F1C-200s also received a GPS in the 1990s. These F1C-200s were intended for long expeditionary missions and saw combat in places like Africa and the Middle East. During the early 1980s, Mirage F1C-200s provided air cover for SEPECAT Jaguars performing attack runs against the Libyan-backed insurgency in Chad. In the Middle East, the Iraqis took the refuelling probes from the Mirage F1C-200s they had acquired and fitted them on their MiG-23s.
+The Mirage F1C was a result of an experiment, when a smaller swept wing design of the Mirage outfitted with the latest and more powerful SNECMA Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine garnered the interest of Dassault engineers as a possible future replacement to the existing Mirage III and Mirage 5 fighters. Thus the Mirage F1 was born, and it went into service with France in 1974. The Mirage F1C-200 is very similar to the Mirage F1C, but it now has access to an air-refuelling probe also extended the length of the fuselage by 7 cm. Some Mirage F1C-200s also received a GPS in the 1990s. These F1C-200s were intended for long expeditionary missions and saw combat in places like Africa and the Middle East. During the early 1980s, Mirage F1C-200s provided air cover for SEPECAT Jaguars performing attack runs against the Libyan-backed insurgency in Chad. In the Middle East, the Iraqis took the refuelling probes from the Mirage F1C-200s they had acquired and fitted them on their MiG-23s.
-It was introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]]. The '''Mirage F1C-200''' plays just like the [[Mirage F1C]]. It is fairly capable as a support fighter but it lacks the armament or the flight performance to go and fight in the frontline like the Mig-21bis or Mig-23s, it also lacks the BVR capabilities of the F-4J/S and F-14A. However you still have access to 2 x Matra Magic 2 missiles that are excellent and very hard to flare since they use IRCCM for better guidance to the target. The rest of the missiles are mediocre but have very good range and are exceptional at high altitudes were their range is increased thanks to the thinner atmosphere. You also can carry a good payload, being able to destroy a full base and retain good air to air performance.
+It was introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]]. The '''Mirage F1C-200''' plays just like the [[Mirage F1C]]. It is fairly capable as a support fighter but it lacks the armament or the flight performance to go and fight in the frontline like the MiG-21bis or MiG-23s, it also lacks the BVR capabilities of the F-4J/S and F-14A. However you still have access to 2 x Matra Magic 2 missiles that are excellent and very hard to flare since they use IRCCM for better guidance to the target. The rest of the missiles are mediocre but have very good range and are exceptional at high altitudes were their range is increased thanks to the thinner atmosphere. You also can carry a good payload, being able to destroy a full base and retain good air to air performance.
 == General info ==
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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
 The Mirage F1C-200 does not have any armour on the aircraft. Most contemporary cannons such as the [[NR-30 (30 mm)|NR-30]], [[M61A1 (20 mm)|M61A1]], [[Type 30-1 (30 mm)|Type 30-1]] and [[GSh-30-1 (30 mm)|GSh-30-1]] on aircraft like the [[F-14 (Family)|F-14s]], [[F-16 (Family)|F-16s]] and [[MiG-29|MiG-29s]] hitting the aircraft will usually result in critical damage if not an instant death, as is normal at this BR.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 The best phrase that describes this plane would be aggressively mediocre. It lacks a strong suit and is essentially incapable of using its radar missiles in matches at a BR where almost everyone has access to some form of SARH or ARH air-to-air missiles. This may lead to some frustrations as the lack of radar missiles and middle-of-the-pack flight performance are going up against the best fighters the game has to offer, but the F1C will still pull through with some effort.
 While grinding, the Mirage F1C-200 can be used in two ways. Either as a support fighter with subpar but still adequate air-to-air missiles, or as a dedicated base bomber with 2 Matra Magic 2 missiles for self-defense. For the support fighter role, it is recommended to take 2 x Matra Magic 2 missiles as well as 3 x Matra R530Es, with 2 x 2,000 lb bombs if you want some extra points. You may choose to fly to the right side of the map on certain maps like Battle for Vietnam where there is sufficient terrain cover that lets you sneak past enemies or launch a Magic 2 at them as you fly away at Mach speeds, or stick with your team flying left, bomb a base and then join the fight with your Magic 2s and guns.
 Players coming from the [[Mirage IIIC]] and [[Mirage IIIE]] may be confused as to why the Matra R530s and Matra Super 530Fs are not recommended, as they offered a very handy front-aspect kill condition on both aircraft at 10.3. However, the problem is that the Mirage F1C-200 is at BR 11.3, not 10.3, and thus sees an entirely different subset of vehicles that usually all have chaff. The Mirages at a lower BR face aircraft which either lack a radar warning receiver to detect the incoming R530 or lack the flare capacity to carry chaff alongside flares, examples being aircraft like the [[Milan]] (in mixed battles), [[A-5C|A-5Cs]], [[J35A|J35As]], [[Saab J35XS|J35XSs]] among many, many others. Contrary to those aircraft, the Mirage F1C-200 regularly encounters top-tier aircraft alongside other premium aircraft of its BR bracket, most of which carry superior radar missiles and/or have much better overall flight performance (the [[F-4J Phantom II|F-4J]]/[[F-4S Phantom II|F-4S Phantom II]]S can carry 4-6 x [[AIM-7F Sparrow|AIM-7Fs]], the [[MiG-23MLA (Germany)|MiG-23MLA]]/[[MiG-23ML|ML]]/[[MiG-23MLD|MLD]] carry 2 x midrange [[R-24R]] radar-guided missiles and have a superior airframe for dogfighting, etc.) as well as having chaff readily available. People will often drop chaff when they are being locked - which against CW seeker missiles won't do much unless they're properly notching the radar - but as the Pulse seekers on the R530/Super 530F are susceptible to chaff they will instantly veer off course and miss their target. As such, it is generally a better idea to load 3 x R530Es - the IR variants of the R530s - which do not need a lock to fire and will generally be more reliable. It is to be noted however that the 530Es take a while to accelerate from launch, so keep this in mind when firing the missiles.
 When using the Mirage F1C-200 as a base bomber, it is recommended to load 3 x [[SAMP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)|2,000 lb SAMP Mk 84]] bombs alongside 2 x Matra Magic 2 air-to-air missiles, as the 3 x 2000 lb bombs can total a base and the Magic 2s being all aspect offer more firing solutions than the alternative Magic 1s equippable in the same slot. Ideal fuel loads are either 20 or 30 minutes, depending on map and preferred playstyle. If you wish to bring less fuel, get into a good position early and then switch to stage 1 afterburner (engaged on PC by scrolling the mouse wheel one tick over 100 or 101% to WEP, which provides additional thrust but does not consume as much fuel as full afterburner), 20 minutes should suffice - however, if you wish to use full afterburner more liberally or the match is an Enduring Confrontation (EC) match, 30 minutes will generally let you cruise around the battlefield with more freedom.
 Magic 2s will be your bread and butter in the Mirage F1C-200 very often - despite the drag changes adversely impacting their range, when launched within a 1.5-2 km (0.93-1.24 mi) or so bubble while gaining on an enemy they will usually have enough energy to connect to the target. Any launch beyond this is undesirable unless the target is turning or losing speed as the missile will quickly bleed its energy, failing to hit its target. In front-aspect launches, try to spool up the seeker from ~5 km if you know an enemy is inbound - and preferably try and stay behind terrain for as much as possible. This is because many other aircraft carry AAMs that can also front-aspect you be it IR or SARH, and if they decide to fire a missile before you do it can cause your missile to lock onto the in-the-moment hotter AAM, missing its target as their missile sends you back to the hangar. This makes it vital to lock and fire before the enemy has a chance to do the same to you, meaning a last minute firing is ideal. Firing from approximately 2 km away is ideal as it is much too close for the enemy to dodge effectively in time.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]].
+The Mirage F1C was a result of an experiment, when a smaller swept wing design of the Mirage outfitted with the latest and more powerful SNECMA Atar 9K-50 turbojet engine garnered the interest of Dassault engineers as a possible future replacement to the existing Mirage III and Mirage 5 fighters. Thus the Mirage F1 was born, and it went into service with France in 1974. The Mirafe F1C-200 is very similar to the Mirage F1C, but it now has access to an air-refuelling probe also extended the length of the fuselage by 7 cm. Some Mirage F1C-200s also received a GPS in the 1990s. These F1C-200s were intended for long expeditionary missions and saw combat in places like Africa and the Middle East. During the early 1980s, Mirage F1C-200s provided air cover for SEPECAT Jaguars performing attack runs against the Libyan-backed insurgency in Chad. In the Middle East, the Iraqis took the refuelling probes from the Mirage F1C-200s they had acquired and fitted them on their MiG-23s.
 == General info ==

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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-| 1,457 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 555 || 549 || 416 || ~__ || ~__
+| 1,457 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 575 || 549 || 416 || ~11 || ~5
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 | colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 9K-50 || 1
-| colspan="2" | 8,066 kg || colspan="3" | ___ kg/m<sup>2</sup>
+| colspan="2" | 8,066 kg || colspan="3" | 460 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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 ! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics

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 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
 ! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
-! colspan="2" | Max speed<br>(km/h at _,___ m)
+! colspan="2" | Max speed<br>(km/h at 12,000 m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 ! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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 ! Stock
-| ___ || ___ || rowspan="2" |16000|| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" |750
+| 2,179 || 2,150 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 28.2 || 28.7 || 126.5 || 120.0 || rowspan="2" | 750
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 ! Upgraded
-| ___ ||2228|| __._ ||27|| __._ ||155
+| 2,279 || 2,228 || 26.3 || 27.0 || 186.4 || 155.0
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 |}

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 ! Stock
-| ___ || ___ || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | ___
+| ___ || ___ || rowspan="2" |16000|| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" |750
 |-
 ! Upgraded
-| ___ || ___ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
+| ___ ||2228|| __._ ||27|| __._ ||155
 |-
 |}
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mirage_f1c_200 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[Mirage F1 (Family)]]

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 ;Related development
-;[[Mirage F1 (Family)]]
+* [[Mirage F1 (Family)]]
 == External links ==