Mirage 5F - Revision history

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U38088265: Edits. Removed plagiarism from https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/mirage-5/ , wikipedia:Dassault Mirage 5

2023-09-25T08:58:42Z

Edits. Removed plagiarism from https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/mirage-5/ , wikipedia:Dassault Mirage 5

U75601819: Fixed typo error made on section "Description"

2023-09-25T06:16:20Z

Fixed typo error made on section "Description"

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U75601819: Added a more detailed initial description to the aircraft, along with the missings "Survivability and Armour" and History section of the aircraft section. Also added a more detailed "Usage in Battle" section

2023-09-25T06:10:28Z

Added a more detailed initial description to the aircraft, along with the missings "Survivability and Armour" and History section of the aircraft section. Also added a more detailed "Usage in Battle" section

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The Mirage III was a true workhorse of the Israeli Air Force with considerably successful combat records, however, it still left much to be desired by the IAF. As a result, the IAF reached out to Dassault to request a new "refined" version of the Mirage III specifically for Middle Eastern combat, with the result of this program called the "Mirage 5". The Israelis suggested that radar and most of the related sensors and avionics from the standard Mirage IIIE should be removed to reduce cost, weight, and maintenance; and replacing them with more fuel storage for prolonged attack missions, since the radar and related sensors were deemed "unnecessary" in the clear and sunny skies of the Middle East. In September 1966, the Israelis placed an order for 50 of the new Mirage 5, but due to French President De Gaulle's arms embargo against israel shortly after in 1967, none of the Mirage 5s were delivered to Israel. In late 1969, the Israelis, who had pilots in France testing the aircraft, requested that the aircraft be transferred to Corsica, in theory to allow them to continue flight training in warm conditions during the French winter. The French government rejected the request when the Israelis also tried to obtain long-range fuel tanks, which seemed highly suspiscious to the French officials as Corsica was not far enough from the French mainland to warrant long-range fuel tanks. The Israelis finally gave up trying to acquire the aircraft after that and accepted a refund, but unbeknownst to the French, the Israelis had only accepted the refund because their espionage assets had successfuly stolen the Mirage 5's blueprints from Dassault, resulting in the indigenously built [[Nesher]] copy instead.
+The Mirage III was a true workhorse of the Israeli Air Force with considerably successful combat records, however, it still left much to be desired by the IAF. As a result, the IAF reached out to Dassault to request a new "refined" version of the Mirage III specifically for Middle Eastern combat, with the result of this program called the "Mirage 5". The Israelis suggested that radar and most of the related sensors and avionics from the standard Mirage IIIE should be removed to reduce cost, weight, and maintenance; and replacing them with more fuel storage for prolonged attack missions, since the radar and related sensors were deemed "unnecessary" in the clear and sunny skies of the Middle East. In September 1966, the Israelis placed an order for 50 of the new Mirage 5, but due to French President De Gaulle's arms embargo against Israel shortly after in 1967, none of the Mirage 5s were delivered to Israel. In late 1969, the Israelis, who had pilots in France testing the aircraft, requested that the aircraft be transferred to Corsica, in theory to allow them to continue flight training in warm conditions during the French winter. The French government rejected the request when the Israelis also tried to obtain long-range fuel tanks, which seemed highly suspicious to the French officials as Corsica was not far enough from the French mainland to warrant long-range fuel tanks. The Israelis finally gave up trying to acquire the aircraft after that and accepted a refund, but unbeknownst to the French, the Israelis had only accepted the refund because their espionage assets had successfully stolen the Mirage 5's blueprints from Dassault, resulting in the indigenously built [[Nesher]] copy instead.
-Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]], the Mirage 5F is completely identical to the [[Nesher]], minus its air-to-air missile loadout, with the French version equipping AIM-9Bs and the indigenous [[Matra R550 Magic 1|R.550 Magic 1]] missile instead of the Israeli [[Shafrir 2]] missile. The aircraft lacks radar and can only equip two on-par close range air-to-air missiles. The Mirage 5 is best equipped for frontline bomber roles, however it still struggles in this role due to the lack of countermeasures. The Mirage is best played defensively at all times, maintaining a distance from enemies (especially those with all aspect missiles) to bomb bases and pounce on unsuspecting targets using its great speed and short-tem dogfight performance.
+Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]], the Mirage 5F is completely identical to the [[Nesher]], minus its air-to-air missile loadout, with the French version equipping AIM-9Bs and the indigenous [[Matra R550 Magic 1|R.550 Magic 1]] missile instead of the Israeli [[Shafrir 2]] missile. The aircraft lacks radar and can only equip two on-par close range air-to-air missiles. The Mirage 5 is best equipped for frontline bomber roles, however it still struggles in this role due to the lack of countermeasures. The Mirage is best played defensively at all times, maintaining a distance from enemies (especially those with all aspect missiles) to bomb bases and pounce on unsuspecting targets using its great speed and short-term dogfight performance.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-Following the combat usage of the Mirage III by Israel, a new "refined" version for Middle Eastern combat was requested by the IAF. The result was called the "Mirage 5". Since the weather over the Middle East is clear and sunny most of the time, the Israelis suggested removing the radar and most of the related avionics, from the standard Mirage IIIE to reduce cost, weight, and maintenance; and replacing them with more fuel storage for attack missions. In September 1966, the Israelis placed an order for 50 of the new aircraft. However, due to the arms embargo in 1967, none of the Mirage 5s were delivered to Israel. In late 1969, the Israelis, who had pilots in France testing the aircraft, requested that the aircraft be transferred to Corsica, in theory to allow them to continue flight training during the winter. The French government became suspicious when the Israelis also tried to obtain long-range fuel tanks and rejected the request. The Israelis finally gave up trying to acquire the aircraft and accepted a refund. Unbeknownst to the French, the Israelis had only accepted the refund because their espionage assets had already stolen the Mirage 5's blueprints from Dassault, resulting in the indigenously built [[Nesher]] instead.
+The Mirage III was a true workhorse of the Israeli Air Force with considerably successful combat records, however, it still left much to be desired by the IAF. As a result, the IAF reached out to Dassault to request a new "refined" version of the Mirage III specifically for Middle Eastern combat, with the result of this program called the "Mirage 5". The Israelis suggested that radar and most of the related sensors and avionics from the standard Mirage IIIE should be removed to reduce cost, weight, and maintenance; and replacing them with more fuel storage for prolonged attack missions, since the radar and related sensors were deemed "unnecessary" in the clear and sunny skies of the Middle East. In September 1966, the Israelis placed an order for 50 of the new Mirage 5, but due to French President De Gaulle's arms embargo against israel shortly after in 1967, none of the Mirage 5s were delivered to Israel. In late 1969, the Israelis, who had pilots in France testing the aircraft, requested that the aircraft be transferred to Corsica, in theory to allow them to continue flight training in warm conditions during the French winter. The French government rejected the request when the Israelis also tried to obtain long-range fuel tanks, which seemed highly suspiscious to the French officials as Corsica was not far enough from the French mainland to warrant long-range fuel tanks. The Israelis finally gave up trying to acquire the aircraft after that and accepted a refund, but unbeknownst to the French, the Israelis had only accepted the refund because their espionage assets had successfuly stolen the Mirage 5's blueprints from Dassault, resulting in the indigenously built [[Nesher]] copy instead.
-Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]], the Mirage 5F is completely identical to the [[Nesher]], minus its air-to-air missile loadout, with the French version equipping AIM-9Bs and the indigenous [[Matra R550 Magic 1|R.550 Magic 1]] missile instead of the Israeli [[Shafrir 2]] missile. The aircraft lacks radar and can only equip two on-par close range air-to-air missiles. The Mirage 5 is best equipped for frontline bomber roles, however it still struggles in this role due to the lack of countermeasures. The Mirage is best played defensively at all times, maintaining a distance from enemies (especially those with all aspect missiles) to bomb bases and pounce on unsuspecting targets.
+Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]], the Mirage 5F is completely identical to the [[Nesher]], minus its air-to-air missile loadout, with the French version equipping AIM-9Bs and the indigenous [[Matra R550 Magic 1|R.550 Magic 1]] missile instead of the Israeli [[Shafrir 2]] missile. The aircraft lacks radar and can only equip two on-par close range air-to-air missiles. The Mirage 5 is best equipped for frontline bomber roles, however it still struggles in this role due to the lack of countermeasures. The Mirage is best played defensively at all times, maintaining a distance from enemies (especially those with all aspect missiles) to bomb bases and pounce on unsuspecting targets using its great speed and short-tem dogfight performance.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-Following the combat usage of the Mirage III by Israel, a new "refined" version for Middle Eastern combat was requested by the IAF. The result was called the "Mirage V". Since the weather over the Middle East is clear and sunny most of the time, the Israelis suggested removing the radar and most of the related avionics, from the standard Mirage IIIE to reduce cost, weight, and maintenance; and replacing them with more fuel storage for attack missions. In September 1966, the Israelis placed an order for 50 of the new aircraft. However, due to the arms embargo in 1967, none of the Mirage Vs were delivered to Israel. In late 1969, the Israelis, who had pilots in France testing the aircraft, requested that the aircraft be transferred to Corsica, in theory to allow them to continue flight training during the winter. The French government became suspicious when the Israelis also tried to obtain long-range fuel tanks and rejected the request. The Israelis finally gave up trying to acquire the aircraft and accepted a refund. Unknown to the French, the Israelis had only accepted the refund because their espionage assets had already stolen the Mirage V's blueprints from Dassault, resulting in the indeginous-built [[Nesher]] instead.
+Following the combat usage of the Mirage III by Israel, a new "refined" version for Middle Eastern combat was requested by the IAF. The result was called the "Mirage 5". Since the weather over the Middle East is clear and sunny most of the time, the Israelis suggested removing the radar and most of the related avionics, from the standard Mirage IIIE to reduce cost, weight, and maintenance; and replacing them with more fuel storage for attack missions. In September 1966, the Israelis placed an order for 50 of the new aircraft. However, due to the arms embargo in 1967, none of the Mirage 5s were delivered to Israel. In late 1969, the Israelis, who had pilots in France testing the aircraft, requested that the aircraft be transferred to Corsica, in theory to allow them to continue flight training during the winter. The French government became suspicious when the Israelis also tried to obtain long-range fuel tanks and rejected the request. The Israelis finally gave up trying to acquire the aircraft and accepted a refund. Unbeknownst to the French, the Israelis had only accepted the refund because their espionage assets had already stolen the Mirage 5's blueprints from Dassault, resulting in the indigenously built [[Nesher]] instead.
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}} introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]]. The aircraft is completely identical to the [[Nesher]], minus its air-to-air missile loadout, with the French version equipping AIM-9Bs and the indeginous [[Matra R550 Magic 1|R.550 Magic 1]] missile instead of the Israeli [[Shafrir 2]] Missile. The aircraft ingame is not particularly great, lacking radar and only equipping two on-par close range air to air missiles, the Mirage V is best equipped for frontline bomber roles, at which it even struggles ingame due to the lack of countermeasures. The Nesher is best played defensively at all times, maintaining a distance from enemies (especially those with all aspect missiles) to bomb bases and pounce on unsuspecting targets.
+Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]], the Mirage 5F is completely identical to the [[Nesher]], minus its air-to-air missile loadout, with the French version equipping AIM-9Bs and the indigenous [[Matra R550 Magic 1|R.550 Magic 1]] missile instead of the Israeli [[Shafrir 2]] missile. The aircraft lacks radar and can only equip two on-par close range air-to-air missiles. The Mirage 5 is best equipped for frontline bomber roles, however it still struggles in this role due to the lack of countermeasures. The Mirage is best played defensively at all times, maintaining a distance from enemies (especially those with all aspect missiles) to bomb bases and pounce on unsuspecting targets.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].
+Following the combat usage of the Mirage III by Israel, a new "refined" version for Middle Eastern combat was requested by the IAF. The result was called the "Mirage V". Since the weather over the Middle East is clear and sunny most of the time, the Israelis suggested removing the radar and most of the related avionics, from the standard Mirage IIIE to reduce cost, weight, and maintenance; and replacing them with more fuel storage for attack missions. In September 1966, the Israelis placed an order for 50 of the new aircraft. However, due to the arms embargo in 1967, none of the Mirage Vs were delivered to Israel. In late 1969, the Israelis, who had pilots in France testing the aircraft, requested that the aircraft be transferred to Corsica, in theory to allow them to continue flight training during the winter. The French government became suspicious when the Israelis also tried to obtain long-range fuel tanks and rejected the request. The Israelis finally gave up trying to acquire the aircraft and accepted a refund. Unknown to the French, the Israelis had only accepted the refund because their espionage assets had already stolen the Mirage V's blueprints from Dassault, resulting in the indeginous-built [[Nesher]] instead.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''Mirage 5F''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].
 == General info ==
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-The Mirage 5F has no armor and can be critically damaged with just one short burst of enemy fire. Even if the Mirage survives, it will be highly damaged and some major components like the elevator or aileron controls will likely be destroyed. The Mirage has self-sealing fuel tanks located in the rear, front part of the wings, and the forward fuselage.
+The Mirage 5F has no armour and can be critically damaged with just one short burst of enemy fire. Even if the Mirage survives, it will be highly damaged and some major components like the elevator or aileron controls will likely be destroyed. The Mirage has self-sealing fuel tanks located in the rear, front part of the wings, and the forward fuselage.
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-Comparable to the Mirage 3C in performance, the 5F lacks some of the electronics and missiles that make those jets very competitive in aggressive fights.
+Comparable to the [[Mirage IIIC]] in performance, the 5F lacks some of the electronics and missiles that make contemporary jets very competitive in aggressive fights.
-Because of that, and its lack of countermeasures, the Mirage 5F's most important asset is retaining its speed. Since is a very fast aircraft, it is better used in a support role or doing passes around the map at high speeds, launching the missiles at priority targets that might be a threat to the Nesher or to save an ally from death. This good use of its ammunition is extremely important since the Nesher can only carry a maximum of 2 AAMs, one on each wing. Be careful, though, as the 2 Magic 1's are very short in range, take a second to arm, and suffer from a lot of drag. Its guns, while great and easy to aim, have a low muzzle velocity and work better at low speeds when it is easier to point the nose of the aircraft in the desired direction. But since they are 30 mm cannons, they will destroy any aircraft with a small burst, making them very reliable.
+Because of that, and its lack of countermeasures, the Mirage 5F's most important asset is retaining its speed. Since is a very fast aircraft, it is better used in a support role or doing passes around the map at high speeds, launching the missiles at priority targets that might be a threat to the Mirage or to save an ally from death. This good use of its ammunition is extremely important since the Mirage can only carry a maximum of 2 AAMs, one on each wing. Be careful, though, as the 2 Magic 1's are very short in range, take a second to arm, and suffer from a lot of drag. Its guns, while great and easy to aim, have a low muzzle velocity and work better at low speeds when it is easier to point the nose of the aircraft in the desired direction. But since they are 30 mm cannons, they will destroy any aircraft with a small burst, making them very reliable.
-Going for ground bases is a good option in the Mirage 5F. The Mirage 5F is capable of carrying enough bombs to destroy a full base and still carry 2 missiles for air-to-air combat. When doing this, flying at medium altitudes and then diving to the bases is very important to stay alive, because when flying to close to the ground the enemy SPAA around the map can easily destroy or severely damage your aircraft. At the moment of approaching the base, it is important to go in a dive or lower your altitude closer to the ground because the Nesher has no ballistic computer at all. Once the bombs are dropped, the Nesher may be capable of playing aggressive in the middle of the match, since at that point most fights would have already started and enemies would be distracted. Thus climbing to high altitudes or playing too cautiously may result in a defeat, since your allies would need you helping in the fight.
+Going for ground bases is a good option in the Mirage 5F. The Mirage 5F is capable of carrying enough bombs to destroy a full base and still carry 2 missiles for air-to-air combat. When doing this, flying at medium altitudes and then diving to the bases is very important to stay alive, because when flying to close to the ground the enemy SPAA around the map can easily destroy or severely damage your aircraft. At the moment of approaching the base, it is important to go in a dive or lower your altitude closer to the ground because the Mirage has no ballistic computer at all. Once the bombs are dropped, the Mirage may be capable of playing aggressive in the middle of the match, since at that point most fights would have already started and enemies would be distracted. Thus climbing to high altitudes or playing too cautiously may result in a defeat, since your allies would need you helping in the fight.
-The 5F energy retention is decent at best, so be careful when dogfighting and choose your opponents wisely.
+The 5F's energy retention is decent at best, so be careful when dogfighting and choose your opponents wisely.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-The '''Mirage 5''' grew out of a request to Dassault from the Israeli Air Force. Since the weather over the Middle East is clear and sunny most of the time, the Israelis suggested removing avionics, normally located behind the cockpit, from the standard [[Mirage IIIE]] to reduce cost and maintenance, and replacing them with more fuel storage for attack missions. In September 1966, the Israelis placed an order for 50 units of the new aircraft.
+''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
 == Media ==
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-* ''[[Mirage 5 (Family)|Mirage 5 family]]''.
+* [[Mirage 5 (Family)|Mirage 5 family]].
 == External links ==