MiG-21bis-SAU (Germany) - Revision history

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 ! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
-! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 13,000 m)
+! colspan="2" | Max speed<br>(km/h at 13,000 m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 ! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)

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 * 3 x 490 l drop tanks
-* 2 x R-13M1 missiles
+* 2 x R-60MK missiles
 * 4 x R-3S missiles
 * 4 x R-3R missiles

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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 * 1 x 23 mm GSh-23L cannon, belly-mounted (250 rpg)
 The GSh-23L cannon will be familiar to pilots which have already flown the [[MiG-21MF (Germany)|MiG-21MF]].
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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
-* Without load
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 * 2 x R-13M1 missiles
 * 4 x R-3S missiles
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 * 2 x 500 kg FAB-500M-62 bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 2 x ZB-500 incendiary bombs
 The MiG-21bis-SAU can be outfitted with a variety of air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons. The R-3S and R-3R missiles are very basic missiles, both pulling a maximum of 10Gs and with very limited range. The R-3S is the IR version, while the R-3R is the SARH (Radar) version. The R-3S has very a negligible use case, as the MiG-21Bis-SAU comes with two R-13M stock. It can be used if the pilot simply wishes for two extra missiles however. The R-3R is more useful for pilots that wish to have the capability to engage enemy air targets at a further range headon, though compared to other SARH missiles of the rank, such as the [[R-24R]] or [[AIM-7F Sparrow|AIM-7F]], it lacks the potency to reliably dispatch manoeuvring targets. The next missile carried is the R-13M1, which is the missile carried stock and one of the two recommended for use. It has greater range than the R-60MK, especially at high altitude, though it is a less manoeuvrable missile. The R-60MK is the final missile carried by the MiG-21bis-SAU. It is a highly manoeuvrable, all aspect missile perfect for use in close in dogfights. It lacks the range of contemporary missiles such as the [[AIM-9G Sidewinder|AIM-9G]] or the previously mentioned R-13M1, however it is highly manoeuvrable and will begin quickly pulling off the rail, hitting most targets within around a 2 km area in front of the aircraft. The recommended loadout for most missions will be either 6 of the R-60MK, or two R-13M and 4 R-60MK using the custom loadout feature to give a mix of ranged weapons and more manoeuvrable, dogfight missiles.
 Although the primary focus of the MiG-21bis-SAU is for air combat, it is also able to carry a limited selection of anti-ground ordnance. This includes a selection of 100, 250, and 500 kg bombs, along with the ZB-500 Incendiary bombs. As for rockets, it carries the S-5K and S-24 rockets. If pilots wish to use the MiG-21bis-SAU for ground strike, the S-24 rockets are a good choice as the plane also has CCIP for the rockets.
 == Usage in battles ==

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->By the prime of the 1970s, the East German Airforce started recieving the [[MiG-21bis]] to update their fighter-interceptor fleet from the aging [[MiG-21MF (Germany)|MiG-21MF]]<nowiki/>s and PFMs. East Germany would recieve exactly 46 of the type, with 14 of them being the "Fishbed-L" variant, equipped with the Lazur-M GCI (Ground Controlled Intercept) guidance system. The other 32 would be the "Fishbed-N" variant, equipped with the Polyot-OI guidance system instead. To diffrenciate the two variants, the aircraft recieved unique names in East German service, being called the '''[[MiG-21 "Lazur-M" (Germany)|MiG-21bis Lazur-M]]''' and the '''MiG-21bis-SAU''' respectively. The only way to visually tell apart the two aircraft is by a single antenna under the forward fuselage, which is missing on one of the variants due to its different guidance system.
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
 == General info ==
 === Flight performance ===
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 * Rudder lock above 700 km/h can be frustrating when trying to get guns on target
 * Doesn't respond well to wing damage
 * Can overspeed easily at sea level due to tremendous acceleration and has a low top speed compared to any contemporaries
 * Low muzzle velocity for the GSh-23L cannon.
 * Despite having all-aspect missiles, the armament still extremely limited to short range and both R-60MK and R-13M1 have zero flare resistance

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->By the prime of the 1970s, the East German Airforce started recieving the [[MiG-21bis]] to update their fighter-interceptor fleet from the aging [[MiG-21MF (Germany)|MiG-21MF]]<nowiki/>s and PFMs. East Germany would recieve exactly 46 of the type, with 14 of them being the "Fishbed-L" variant, equipped with the Lazur-M GCI (Ground Controlled Intercept) guidance system. The other 32 would be the "Fishbed-N" variant, equipped with the Polyot-OI guidance system instead. To diffrenciate the two variants, the aircraft recieved unique names in East German service, being called the '''[[MiG-21 "Lazur-M" (Germany)|MiG-21bis Lazur-M]]''' and the '''MiG-21bis-SAU''' respectively. The only way to visually tell apart the two aircraft is by a single antenna under the forward fuselag, which is missing on one of the variants due to its different guidance system.
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->By the prime of the 1970s, the East German Airforce started recieving the [[MiG-21bis]] to update their fighter-interceptor fleet from the aging [[MiG-21MF (Germany)|MiG-21MF]]<nowiki/>s and PFMs. East Germany would recieve exactly 46 of the type, with 14 of them being the "Fishbed-L" variant, equipped with the Lazur-M GCI (Ground Controlled Intercept) guidance system. The other 32 would be the "Fishbed-N" variant, equipped with the Polyot-OI guidance system instead. To diffrenciate the two variants, the aircraft recieved unique names in East German service, being called the '''[[MiG-21 "Lazur-M" (Germany)|MiG-21bis Lazur-M]]''' and the '''MiG-21bis-SAU''' respectively. The only way to visually tell apart the two aircraft is by a single antenna under the forward fuselage, which is missing on one of the variants due to its different guidance system.
 Introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"|Update "Ground Breaking"]] as the latest East German top tier fighter in the German tech tree at the time, the '''{{Specs|name}}''' builds upon the playstyle of the previous [[MiG-21MF (Germany)|MiG-21MF]] in the tree, relying alot more on its incredible flight performance to utilize hit-and-run tactics against unsuspecting enemies, and to dogfight its way out of most trouble it finds its way in. The MiG-21bis may have great flight performance and engine power, but lacks in most other departments. Being a delta wing, its energy retention is abysmal, although that problem is slightly mitigated by the very powerful engine, which can quickly regain speed if the aircraft safely disengages and flies in a straight line. The aircraft's avionics and suspended weaponry is where the largest let-down is. While other aircraft at your battle rating will have pulse-doppler radars, powerful missiles, and very informative RWR systems, the MiG-21bis has none of that. Instead, you get what is easily one of the worst dedicated radar sets at this battle rating, subpar missiles, a complete lack of BVR capability, and the weak SPO-10 RWR system. All in all, the MiG-21bis falls under the same loop of the late Fishbed family, relying alot more on the skill of the pilot due to its strong flight performance and weak systems. It is truly a hard plane to learn, but a very rewarding one if mastered correctly.

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 * Rudder lock above 700 km/h can be frustrating when trying to get guns on target
 * Doesn't respond well to wing damage
-* Can overspeed easy at sea level due to tremendous acceleration.
+* Can overspeed easily at sea level due to tremendous acceleration and has a low top speed vs any contemporary
 * Low muzzle velocity for the GSh-23L cannon.
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mig-21_bis_sau Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[MiG-21 (Family)]]

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (NATO Code: Fishbed-N) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Ground Breaking"]].
 The MiG-21bis-SAU is an export version of the Soviet [[MiG-21bis]] for the DDR. It is a second-generation jet fighter with small upgrades over the original MiG-21bis found in the Soviet tree.