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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-During 1964, Cuba became one of the first export customers outside the Warsaw Pact of the [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17]] aircraft, having purchased the MiG-17AS variant to replace its aging [[MiG-15bis]] fleet in the frontline fighter role. The MiG-17AS, in addition to the more reliable engine, had the required wiring to mount and use the [[R-3S]] air-to-air missile. The aircraft would serve a long life with the Cuban Air Force before being phased out of service in favour of MiG-23s during the 80s. The MiG-17AS in Cuban service is most famous for the Homestead incident; on October 5, 1969, Cuban MiG-17AS #232 was flown by Lieutenant Eduardo Guerra Jimenez to defect to the United States, landing it in Homestead AFB, Florida, and sparking major controversy and reforms about American security almost instantly, as President Lyndon B. Johnson's Boeing 707 "Air Force One" was at the time also at the airbase used for the defection, and as the Cuban pilot's intentions were not known until after he landed (undetected), had his intentions been different, he could have easily not only destroyed Air Force One on the ground, but started a surprise attack on US soil.
+During 1964, Cuba became one of the first export customers of the [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17]] aircraft outside the Warsaw Pact, having purchased the MiG-17AS variant to replace its aging [[MiG-15bis]] fleet in the frontline fighter role. The MiG-17AS, in addition to the more reliable engine, had the required wiring to mount and use the [[R-3S]] air-to-air missile. The aircraft would serve a long life with the Cuban Air Force before being phased out of service in favour of MiG-23s during the 1980s. The MiG-17AS in Cuban service is most famous for the Homestead incident; on October 5, 1969, Cuban MiG-17AS #232 was flown by Lieutenant Eduardo Guerra Jimenez to defect to the United States, landing it in Homestead AFB, Florida, and sparking major controversy and reforms about American security almost instantly, as President Lyndon B. Johnson's Boeing 707 "Air Force One" was at the time also at the airbase used for the defection, and as the Cuban pilot's intentions were not known until after he landed (undetected). Had his intentions been different, he could have easily not only destroyed Air Force One on the ground, but started a surprise attack on US soil.
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] as a pack premium in the Gaijin store. Being a MiG-17 airframe, it has the same advantages and disadvantages of its tech tree brother, the [[MiG-17]]. The primary difference is that the MiG-17AS has access to the [[R-3S]] air to air missile, which the tech tree variant does not get. All in all, the MiG-17AS is a interesting premium, mostly reserved for collectors, as it does not have a major advantage over the tech tree equivalent,
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] as a pack premium in the Gaijin store. Being a MiG-17 airframe, it has the same advantages and disadvantages of its tech tree brother, the [[MiG-17]]. The primary difference is that the MiG-17AS has access to the [[R-3S]] air-to-air missile, which the tech tree variant does not get. All in all, the MiG-17AS is an interesting premium, mostly reserved for collectors, as it does not have a major advantage over the tech tree equivalent,
 The MiG-17AS was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. The {{PAGENAME}} has since been made temporarily available as a collector aircraft, returning briefly for certain historical events for purchase in-game using Golden Eagles {{GE}}. The aircraft would first return (temporarily) for purchase during the [[wt:en/news/8396-special-the-cuban-mig-17as-is-back-for-ge-and-a-russian-air-force-decal-en|2023 "Russian Air Force Day"]] mini-event.

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 == Description ==
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-During 1964, Cuba became one of the first export customers outside the Warsaw Pact of the [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17]] aircraft, having purchased the MiG-17AS variant to replace its aging [[MiG-15bis]] fleet in the frontline fighter role. The MiG-17AS, which in addition to the more reliable engine, had the required wiring to mount and use the [[R-3S]] air to air missile. The aircraft would serve a long life with the Cuban Air Force before being phased out of service in favor of MiG-23s during the 80s. The MiG-17AS in Cuban service is most famous for the Homestead incident; On October 5, 1969, Cuban MiG-17AS #232 was flown by Lieutenant Eduardo Guerra Jimenez to defect to the United States, landing it in Homestead AFB, Florida, and sparking major controversey and reforms about American security almost instantly, as President Lyndon B. Johnson's Boeing 707 "Air Force One" was at the time also at the airbase used for the defection, and as the Cuban pilot's intentions were not known until after he landed (undetected), had his intentions been different, he could have easily not only destroyed Air Force One on the ground, but started a surprise attack on US soil.
+During 1964, Cuba became one of the first export customers outside the Warsaw Pact of the [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17]] aircraft, having purchased the MiG-17AS variant to replace its aging [[MiG-15bis]] fleet in the frontline fighter role. The MiG-17AS, in addition to the more reliable engine, had the required wiring to mount and use the [[R-3S]] air-to-air missile. The aircraft would serve a long life with the Cuban Air Force before being phased out of service in favour of MiG-23s during the 80s. The MiG-17AS in Cuban service is most famous for the Homestead incident; on October 5, 1969, Cuban MiG-17AS #232 was flown by Lieutenant Eduardo Guerra Jimenez to defect to the United States, landing it in Homestead AFB, Florida, and sparking major controversy and reforms about American security almost instantly, as President Lyndon B. Johnson's Boeing 707 "Air Force One" was at the time also at the airbase used for the defection, and as the Cuban pilot's intentions were not known until after he landed (undetected), had his intentions been different, he could have easily not only destroyed Air Force One on the ground, but started a surprise attack on US soil.
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Cuban premium fighter in the Soviet tech tree. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] as a pack premium in the Gaijin store, and remained on sale until it was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. The {{PAGENAME}} has since been made temporarily available as a collector aircraft, returning briefly for certain historical events for purchase in-game using Golden Eagles {{GE}}. The aircraft would first return (temporarily) for purchase during the [[wt:en/news/8396-special-the-cuban-mig-17as-is-back-for-ge-and-a-russian-air-force-decal-en|2023 "Russian Air Force Day"]] mini-event. Being a MiG-17 airframe, it has the same advantages and disadvantages of its tech tree brother, the [[MiG-17]]. The primary difference is that the MiG-17AS has access to the [[R-3S]] air to air missile, which the tech tree variant does not get. All in all, the MiG-17AS is a interesting premium, mostly reserved for collectors, as it does not have a major advantage over the tech tree equivelant,
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] as a pack premium in the Gaijin store. Being a MiG-17 airframe, it has the same advantages and disadvantages of its tech tree brother, the [[MiG-17]]. The primary difference is that the MiG-17AS has access to the [[R-3S]] air to air missile, which the tech tree variant does not get. All in all, the MiG-17AS is a interesting premium, mostly reserved for collectors, as it does not have a major advantage over the tech tree equivalent,
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. The {{PAGENAME}} has since been made temporarily available for purchase in-game using Golden Eagles ({{GE}}) during the [[wt:en/news/8396-special-the-cuban-mig-17as-is-back-for-ge-and-a-russian-air-force-decal-en|2023 "Russian Air Force Day"]] mini-event.
+During 1964, Cuba became one of the first export customers outside the Warsaw Pact of the [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17]] aircraft, having purchased the MiG-17AS variant to replace its aging [[MiG-15bis]] fleet in the frontline fighter role. The MiG-17AS, which in addition to the more reliable engine, had the required wiring to mount and use the [[R-3S]] air to air missile. The aircraft would serve a long life with the Cuban Air Force before being phased out of service in favor of MiG-23s during the 80s. The MiG-17AS in Cuban service is most famous for the Homestead incident; On October 5, 1969, Cuban MiG-17AS #232 was flown by Lieutenant Eduardo Guerra Jimenez to defect to the United States, landing it in Homestead AFB, Florida, and sparking major controversey and reforms about American security almost instantly, as President Lyndon B. Johnson's Boeing 707 "Air Force One" was at the time also at the airbase used for the defection, and as the Cuban pilot's intentions were not known until after he landed (undetected), had his intentions been different, he could have easily not only destroyed Air Force One on the ground, but started a surprise attack on US soil.
-As a {{PAGENAME}} flying in Cuban colors, the plane represents a fighter-bomber version of the [[MiG-17]] series that was exported to Cuba in 1964.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Cuban premium fighter in the Soviet tech tree. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] as a pack premium in the Gaijin store, and remained on sale until it was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. The {{PAGENAME}} has since been made temporarily available as a collector aircraft, returning briefly for certain historical events for purchase in-game using Golden Eagles {{GE}}. The aircraft would first return (temporarily) for purchase during the [[wt:en/news/8396-special-the-cuban-mig-17as-is-back-for-ge-and-a-russian-air-force-decal-en|2023 "Russian Air Force Day"]] mini-event. Being a MiG-17 airframe, it has the same advantages and disadvantages of its tech tree brother, the [[MiG-17]]. The primary difference is that the MiG-17AS has access to the [[R-3S]] air to air missile, which the tech tree variant does not get. All in all, the MiG-17AS is a interesting premium, mostly reserved for collectors, as it does not have a major advantage over the tech tree equivelant,
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. The {{PAGENAME}} has since been made temporarily available for purchase in-game using Golden Eagles ({{GE}}) during the [[wt:en/news/8396-special-the-cuban-mig-17as-is-back-for-ge-and-a-russian-air-force-decal-en|2023 Russian Air Force Day]] mini-event.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. The {{PAGENAME}} has since been made temporarily available for purchase in-game using Golden Eagles ({{GE}}) during the [[wt:en/news/8396-special-the-cuban-mig-17as-is-back-for-ge-and-a-russian-air-force-decal-en|2023 "Russian Air Force Day"]] mini-event.
 As a {{PAGENAME}} flying in Cuban colors, the plane represents a fighter-bomber version of the [[MiG-17]] series that was exported to Cuba in 1964.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]] and is currently unobtainable in-game.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It was removed from the Gaijin store after the [[wt:en/news/7674-shop-may-sale-en|2022 May sale]]. The {{PAGENAME}} has since been made temporarily available for purchase in-game using Golden Eagles ({{GE}}) during the [[wt:en/news/8396-special-the-cuban-mig-17as-is-back-for-ge-and-a-russian-air-force-decal-en|2023 Russian Air Force Day]] mini-event.
 As a {{PAGENAME}} flying in Cuban colors, the plane represents a fighter-bomber version of the [[MiG-17]] series that was exported to Cuba in 1964.

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 The {{PAGENAME}} armour around the pilot is a bit more substantial than that seen on F-86 Sabres. With a large 10 mm steel plate in the nose, this armour protects both the pilot and the fuel tank from any glancing frontal shots from going through and causing damage. A 60 mm bullet proof glass is also present in front of the pilot, which may also offer some ballistic protection against machine gun rounds. However, the glass and steel armour are not substantial enough to take a head-on attack from a similar aircraft, so don't use these as a safety net from head-on attacks. 16 mm steel plates cover the pilot's seat, which will protect the pilot against any glancing shots approaching from the rear, but it does not protect the fuel tank.
-The {{PAGENAME}} structure overall is minimal, with the a lot of empty spaces in the fuselage and tail, but the control surfaces all over are still vulnerable to being cut and driving the {{PAGENAME}} out of control. Although there are two self-sealing fuel tanks on the {{PAGENAME}}, the largest one is seated right behind the pilot and so can be prone to being hit. This means an enemy that misses an attempt at a pilot snipe can still have a chance of hitting the fuel tank and igniting it, causing crippling damages to the overall {{PAGENAME}} structure.
+The {{PAGENAME}} structure overall is minimal, with a lot of empty spaces in the fuselage and tail, but the control surfaces all over are still vulnerable to being cut and driving the {{PAGENAME}} out of control. Although there are two self-sealing fuel tanks on the {{PAGENAME}}, the largest one is seated right behind the pilot and so can be prone to being hit. This means an enemy that misses an attempt at a pilot snipe can still have a chance of hitting the fuel tank and igniting it, causing crippling damages to the overall {{PAGENAME}} structure.
 Like the MiG-15 before it, if the tail vertical stabilizer gets knocked off the plane, so are the elevators, leaving the aircraft helpless if not already determined a victory by the score system to the offending enemy.
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 The Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23 was a 23 mm autocannon which was widely used on many Soviet aircraft. The NR-23 has a faster muzzle velocity over the N-37D by 200 m/s, firing them at the same time will not result in them landing in the same place as the N-37D will begin to drop sooner. Firing at around 900 rounds per minute, the NR-23 can unload a good amount of ammunition downrange, however, with a limited supply of only 80 rounds per gun, it is best to fire in small bursts when the pilot has a good gun solution. Firing in "hopes" to hit the target will result in many missed and wasted shots and may very well cause the {{PAGENAME}} to go dry just when those rounds are needed the most.
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 This vehicle performs much better in vertical manoeuvres than many other aircraft, and such manoeuvres may be employed to cause an enemy aircraft to stall, giving the player an easy kill. But make sure that there are no other enemies nearby before attempting a low-speed stall manoeuvre.
-The engine also gives this vehicle very good energy retention and a high climb rate. However, the plane begins to compress at high speeds, and aiming may become difficult. Watch out for this during diving attacks.
+The engine also gives this vehicle very good energy retention and a high climb rate. However, the plane begins to compress at high speeds, and aiming may become difficult. To avoid compression of the control surfaces, it is advisable to put the aircraft in a slight climb (~10°) when at higher speeds (>700 km/h ias) in order to build up an energy advantage while remaining manouverable.
 So, this plane is well-suited for medium-speed dogfights, where it can utilise its energy retention and good turn rate against enemy aircraft. In addition, luring enemies to slow speeds will allow the MiG-17AS's air-to-air missiles to better track and destroy them. (In practically all other cases, the poor-tracking missiles will struggle to keep up with a fast-moving, turning enemy.)
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 The MiG-17AS has the option to mount 2 x 250 kg bombs. However, these bombs considerably harm the vehicle's flight performance, and have quite low destructive power. Using them against armoured ground targets is often difficult.
-In most cases, a better option is to use the 2 x S-21 air-to-ground rockets available to this aircraft. These each contain a very good 9.95 kg of TNT, and may be fired separately. They also have quite respectable penetration, and will be able to penetrate the roof armour of many of the tanks that this vehicle might face in ground RB. They also have a decent velocity, and are easier to aim than bombs.
+In most cases, a better option is to use the 2 x S-21 air-to-ground rockets available to this aircraft. These each contain a very good 9.95 kg of TNT, and may be fired separately. They also have quite respectable penetration and will be able to penetrate the roof armour of many of the tanks that this vehicle might face in ground RB. They also have a decent velocity and are easier to aim than bombs.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Doesn't rip its wings easily
 * Good top speed, especially in a dive
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mig-17_cuba Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 * Guns tend to spark a lot (the N-37 in particular), especially with stock belts
 * Tail hangs very close to the ground. Along with the pelvic fin, this can make takeoff trickier if the pilot is careless.
-* Engine will begin to overheat when flying above 96% throttle, same as the MiG-17 in the techtree
+* Engine will begin to overheat when flying above 96% throttle, though rarely gets to dangerous levels if managed correctly
 == History ==

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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mig-17_cuba Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
-* [https://trade.gaijin.net/?n=ugcitem_1001121&viewitem=&a=1067 " MiG-17AS Kinel-Cherkassk Aviation Training Center" skin in the Gaijin Market]
+* [https://trade.gaijin.net/?n=ugcitem_1001121&viewitem=&a=1067 "MiG-17AS Kinel-Cherkassk Aviation Training Center" skin in the Gaijin Market]
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	* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mig-17_cuba Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]		* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mig-17_cuba Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
		+	* [https://trade.gaijin.net/?n=ugcitem_1001121&viewitem=&a=1067 " MiG-17AS Kinel-Cherkassk Aviation Training Center" skin in the Gaijin Market]

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