MiG-17 - Revision history

U44629479: Edits

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U81436767: /* Description */ New Description Project

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U44629479: Edits

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U8745385: Updated MiG-17 cockpit (needs annotation!)

2022-10-13T11:33:20Z

Updated MiG-17 cockpit (needs annotation!)

U28580205 at 15:25, 28 March 2022

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U105247809: /* Survivability and armour */

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‎Survivability and armour

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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-;[[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17 (Family)]]
+;Related development
-* [[MiG-17AS]]
+* [[MiG-17 (Family)]]
 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-;[[MiG-17 (Family)|Related development]]
+;[[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17 (Family)]]
 * [[MiG-17AS]]
 * [[J-4]]
 * [[Shenyang F-5]]

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-Almost immediately after the MiG-15 entered service, the developement of a successor was already underway. Initially called the MiG-15bis-45, the new aircraft was to rectify one major flaw in the MiG-15 design: The severe vibrations and near-loss of controls when approaching Mach 1. To fix these problems, a new wing shape, airfoil form, and tailplane design were introduced. The results of heavy wind tunnel testing and prototyping by {{Annotation|TsAGI|Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute of Moscow}} resulted in the aforementioned changes exceeding all expectations, and as a result, the MiG-17 would establish itself in history as one of, if not the most, successful transsonic fighter aircraft until the advent of true supersonic airframes such as the [[MiG-19 (Family)|MiG-19]] and [[F-100 (Family)|F-100]]. The MiG-17 was given a trial by fire during the Vietnam war, where it was faced against the far more advanced and newer American fighter-bombers, such as the [[F-4 Phantom II (Family)|F-4 Phantom II]] and the [[F-105D|F-105 Thunderchief]], which to everyone's surprise, were regularly beaten by the MiG-17 in dogfights due to the latter's incredible agility and small size making it hard to hit, and also because early variants of the F4 Phantom II deployed in Vietnam lacked any form of internal guns, an issue the MiG-17 did not suffer from. The MiG-17 became one of the most widely serving fighter aircraft in the world at the time, and as such, garnered many famous nicknames from around the world; with a NATO reporting name of ''Fresco,'' but also affectionately called "''én bạc"'' (Silver Swallow) in North Vietnam, and "''Barmil''" (Barrel) among some Egyptian pilots, in addition to its standardized names from the license produced variants, [[J-4|''Shenyang J-5 (歼-5)'']] in China, ''S-104'' in Czechoslovakia, and the ''[[Lim-5P (Germany)|PZL-Mielec Lim-5]]'' in Poland.
+Almost immediately after the MiG-15 entered service, the developement of a successor was already underway. Initially called the MiG-15bis-45, the new aircraft was to rectify one major flaw in the MiG-15 design: The severe vibrations and near-loss of controls when approaching Mach 1. To fix these problems, a new wing shape, airfoil form, and tailplane design were introduced. The results of heavy wind tunnel testing and prototyping by {{Annotation|TsAGI|Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute of Moscow}} resulted in the aforementioned changes exceeding all expectations, and as a result, the MiG-17 would establish itself in history as one of, if not the most, successful transsonic fighter aircraft until the advent of true supersonic airframes such as the [[MiG-19 (Family)|MiG-19]] and [[F-100 (Family)|F-100]]. The MiG-17 was given a trial by fire during the Vietnam War, where it was faced against the far more advanced and newer American fighter-bombers, such as the [[F-4 Phantom II (Family)|F-4 Phantom II]] and the [[F-105D|F-105 Thunderchief]], which to everyone's surprise, were regularly beaten by the MiG-17 in dogfights due to the latter's incredible agility and small size making it hard to hit, and also because early variants of the F4 Phantom II deployed in Vietnam lacked any form of internal guns, an issue the MiG-17 did not suffer from. The MiG-17 became one of the most widely serving fighter aircraft in the world at the time, and as such, garnered many famous nicknames from around the world; with a NATO reporting name of ''Fresco,'' but also affectionately called "''én bạc"'' (Silver Swallow) in North Vietnam, and "''Barmil''" (Barrel) among some Egyptian pilots, in addition to its standardized names from the license produced variants, [[J-4|''Shenyang J-5 (歼-5)'']] in China, ''S-104'' in Czechoslovakia, and the ''[[Lim-5P (Germany)|PZL-Mielec Lim-5]]'' in Poland.
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]], is a direct upgrade in developement over the previous [[MiG-15 (Family)|MiG-15]]. The MiG-17 does not upgrade much (if at all) in the energy fighting, top speed, or manouvering departments. However, the new wing and tailplane design rectify one of the biggest issues in the older MiG-15: the terrible compression nearing transsonic speeds. The MiG-17 still has compression issues at high speeds, although the compression ceiling has been lifted far higher than its predecessor, allowing it to engage in faster combat manouvers than the MiG-15. One however must be very wary of advanced air-to-air missiles when flying this aircraft, as when uptiered, the player will regularly be faced with aircraft carrying the all aspect [[AIM-9L Sidewinder|AIM-9L]] and [[R-60M]] at 10.0 such as the [[A-10A]] and the [[Su-25]], which are an almost guaranteed death sentence to the MiG-17.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]], is a direct upgrade in development over the previous [[MiG-15 (Family)|MiG-15]]. The MiG-17 does not upgrade much (if at all) in the energy fighting, top speed, or manoeuvring departments. However, the new wing and tailplane design rectify one of the biggest issues in the older MiG-15: the terrible compression nearing transsonic speeds. The MiG-17 still has compression issues at high speeds, although the compression ceiling has been lifted far higher than its predecessor, allowing it to engage in faster combat manoeuvres than the MiG-15. One must however be very wary of advanced air-to-air missiles when flying this aircraft, as when uptiered, the player will regularly be faced with aircraft carrying the all-aspect [[AIM-9L Sidewinder|AIM-9L]] and [[R-60M]] such as the [[A-10A]] and the [[Su-25]], which are an almost guaranteed death sentence to the MiG-17.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]]. It is known by many names in the world, with a NATO reporting name of ''Fresco'', the Chinese name [[J-4|''Shenyang J-5 (歼-5)'']], Czechoslovak ''S-104'' and the Polish name ''PZL-Mielec Lim-5''.
+Almost immediately after the MiG-15 entered service, the developement of a successor was already underway. Initially called the MiG-15bis-45, the new aircraft was to rectify one major flaw in the MiG-15 design: The severe vibrations and near-loss of controls when approaching Mach 1. To fix these problems, a new wing shape, airfoil form, and tailplane design were introduced. The results of heavy wind tunnel testing and prototyping by {{Annotation|TsAGI|Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute of Moscow}} resulted in the aforementioned changes exceeding all expectations, and as a result, the MiG-17 would establish itself in history as one of, if not the most, successful transsonic fighter aircraft until the advent of true supersonic airframes such as the [[MiG-19 (Family)|MiG-19]] and [[F-100 (Family)|F-100]]. The MiG-17 was given a trial by fire during the Vietnam war, where it was faced against the far more advanced and newer American fighter-bombers, such as the [[F-4 Phantom II (Family)|F-4 Phantom II]] and the [[F-105D|F-105 Thunderchief]], which to everyone's surprise, were regularly beaten by the MiG-17 in dogfights due to the latter's incredible agility and small size making it hard to hit, and also because early variants of the F4 Phantom II deployed in Vietnam lacked any form of internal guns, an issue the MiG-17 did not suffer from. The MiG-17 became one of the most widely serving fighter aircraft in the world at the time, and as such, garnered many famous nicknames from around the world; with a NATO reporting name of ''Fresco,'' but also affectionately called "''én bạc"'' (Silver Swallow) in North Vietnam, and "''Barmil''" (Barrel) among some Egyptian pilots, in addition to its standardized names from the license produced variants, [[J-4|''Shenyang J-5 (歼-5)'']] in China, ''S-104'' in Czechoslovakia, and the ''[[Lim-5P (Germany)|PZL-Mielec Lim-5]]'' in Poland.
-Building off of the successful [[MiG-15]], the {{PAGENAME}} improves performance and handling to be better able to tolerate the higher speeds common in jet combat.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]], is a direct upgrade in developement over the previous [[MiG-15 (Family)|MiG-15]]. The MiG-17 does not upgrade much (if at all) in the energy fighting, top speed, or manouvering departments. However, the new wing and tailplane design rectify one of the biggest issues in the older MiG-15: the terrible compression nearing transsonic speeds. The MiG-17 still has compression issues at high speeds, although the compression ceiling has been lifted far higher than its predecessor, allowing it to engage in faster combat manouvers than the MiG-15. One however must be very wary of advanced air-to-air missiles when flying this aircraft, as when uptiered, the player will regularly be faced with aircraft carrying the all aspect [[AIM-9L Sidewinder|AIM-9L]] and [[R-60M]] at 10.0 such as the [[A-10A]] and the [[Su-25]], which are an almost guaranteed death sentence to the MiG-17.
 == General info ==
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 ;[[MiG-17 (Family)|Related development]]
 * [[MiG-17AS]]
 * [[J-4]]
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 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * [[F-86 Sabre (Family)|F-86 Family]]
 * [[F9F (Family)|F9F Family]]

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
+| 1,150 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
 |-
 |}
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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 |-
-| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || N/A
+| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || -
 |-
 |}

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 {{About
-| about = Russian jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
+| about = Soviet jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 | usage = other versions
 | link = MiG-17 (Family)
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 {{Specs-Economy}}
-It is recommended to prioritize performance modification and 37mm belts over other modifications.
+It is recommended to prioritize performance modification and 37 mm belts over other modifications.
 == Armaments ==
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 * Can safely reach a speed of 1,150 km/h (IAS) and up to Mach 1.10 when diving
 * Hard to break wings in a turn without rolling
-* Very similar to the [[MiG-15bis]], meaning similar play styles
+* Very similar to the [[MiG-15bis]], meaning similar playstyles
 '''Cons:'''
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=ussr&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=jet_fighter&vehicle=mig-17 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mig-17 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Images
-<div><ul>
+<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="200">
-<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:MiG-17_Image1.png|thumb|none|300px|A MiG-17 avoiding the rounds from an F-86F-25 Sabre.]] </li>
+File:MiG-17_Image1.png|<small>A MiG-17 avoiding the rounds from an F-86F-25 Sabre</small>
-<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:Mig17vf86.png|thumb|none|300px|A MiG-17 after a hard-earned victory over an F-86 Sabre.]] </li>
+File:Mig17vf86.png|<small>A MiG-17 after a hard-earned victory over an F-86 Sabre</small>
-</ul></div>
+</gallery>
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|OM1wefnHzYM|'''Using The {{PAGENAME}} To Absolutely Dominate!''' - ''Spit_flyer''|amZQtFjHAn4|'''The Shooting Range #82''' - ''Tactics & Strategy'' section at 00:28 discusses the use of the {{PAGENAME}} against ground forces.|8W7zbLuhrM4|'''How to fight the OP {{PAGENAME}}!''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|OM1wefnHzYM|'''Using The MiG-17 To Absolutely Dominate!''' - ''Spit_flyer''|amZQtFjHAn4|'''The Shooting Range #82''' - ''Tactics & Strategy'' section at 00:28 discusses the use of the {{PAGENAME}} against ground forces.|8W7zbLuhrM4|'''How to fight the OP MiG-17!''' - ''MikeGoesBoom''}}
 == See also ==
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-;[[MiG-15 (Family)|Related development]]
+;[[MiG-17 (Family)|Related development]]
 * [[MiG-17AS]]
 * [[J-4]]
 * [[Shenyang F-5]]
 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * [[F-86 Sabre (Family)|F-86 Family]]
 * [[F9F (Family)|F9F Family]]
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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->

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 == General info ==
-[[File:CockpitImage_MiG-15.jpg|thumbnail|right|The '''MiG-17''''s instrument panel.]]
+[[File:MiG-17 Cockpit (2022).png|thumb|The '''MiG-17''''s instrument panel.]]
 === Flight performance ===

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 === Survivability and armour ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
-<!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->[[File:MiG-17.png|thumb|Armour layout for the MiG-17]]
+<!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->[[File:MiG-17 Armour Layout.png|thumb|Armour layout for the MiG-17]]
 * 60 mm Bulletproof glass in cockpit front.