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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German attack helicopter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].
+The first [[Mi-24P]]s entered the East German Army in 1982, which already used helicopters of the Mi-24D modification. The helicopters were regularly used for border patrol. After German reunification, all aircraft and helicopters of the East German Air Force were integrated into the Luftwaffe of West Germany. All equipment received new four-digit numbers. Two Mi-24Ps (96+40 and 96+47) and one Mi-24D (96+39) were transferred to a test centre, where they underwent comprehensive evaluation. Another two Mi-24s were sold to the USA, while the rest were grouped into a single unit and put on display. Later, most of them were sold to Poland and [[Mi-24D (Italy)|Hungary]].
-Being the only Warsaw pact helicopter available to German pilots, the ▀Mi-24P shows a radical shift of doctrine when compared to NATO helicopters. Big, heavily armoured yet fast, and armed with lethal payload when compared to its West German contemporaries, one can see why Hinds were nicknamed "Devil's Chariots" during their deployment in Afghanistan.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]], the Mi-24P demonstrates itself as a true multipurpose helicopter. To engage armoured vehicles, the Mi-24P can use the 9M114 Shturm ATGM, allowing for precise targeting of enemy tanks at long ranges without entering the range of enemy air defence systems. For protection against aircraft, the helicopter can be fitted with all-aspect R-60M air-to-air missiles and employ its 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannon. Besides powerful weaponry, the helicopter's high maximum speed also increases the chances of a successful attack run. However, the helicopter's considerable mass of 12 tonnes significantly degrades its manoeuvrability, and the rigidly mounted 30 mm cannon can be problematic when engaging enemy air targets at close range.
 == General info ==

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 * 2 x 500 kg FAB-500M-54 bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 4 x 23 mm GSh-23L cannons (250 rpg = 1,000 total)
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 One of the first known occasion for Mi-24P in East Germany was observed as early as 1982 where it joined Soviet Armed Force and also been deployed by the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSFG).<ref>https://www.16va.be/4.2_les_mi-24_part2_eng.html</ref> Accord to the records of NVA and Luftwaffe, the 3rd Helicopter Squadron of Kampfhubschraubergeschwader 5 ''(KHG 5 "Adolf von Lützow")'' of the Basepohl Airfield received 12 Mi-24P in late-1989, all after the collapse of Berlin Wall. These helicopters were soon transferred to the post-unification ''Heeresfliegerstaffel 80'' (Army Aviation Squadron 80) of German Army then the WTD 61(Wehrtechnische Dienststelle 61) for further evaluation by both Heer and US Army.
 These helicopters are either being displayed in museums, sent for evaluation or been sold to Hungary which still used Mi-24P as the donor aircraft for their fleet.<ref>https://www.biancahoegel.de/flug/typen/ru/mil/mi-24-ddr.html</ref>
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-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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-! 23 mm GSh-23L cannons (250 rpg)
+! [[GSh-23L (23 mm)|23 mm GSh-23L]] cannons (250 rpg)
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-! 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs
+! [[OFAB-250sv (250 kg)|250 kg OFAB-250sv]] bombs
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-! 500 kg FAB-500M-54 bombs
+! [[FAB-500M-54 (500 kg)|500 kg FAB-500M-54]] bombs
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-! S-8KO rockets
+! [[S-8KO]] rockets
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-! 9M114 Shturm missiles
+! [[9M114 Shturm]] missiles
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-! R-60 missiles
+! [[R-60]] missiles
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-! R-60MK missiles
+! [[R-60MK]] missiles
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 Compared to NATO helicopters in the German tech tree, the ▀Mi-24P has the ability to perfectly tailor its payload to any battlefield scenario it can encounter.

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 The ▀Mi-24P can achieve a whooping speed of 335 km/h when flying at 50 m altitude, without any problems. Be aware that at this speed, Hind behaves more like a plane rather than helicopter; sharp turns using only mouse control can take ages and helping yourself with keyboard controls can cause loss of lift, leading to crash.
-Be aware that while you can exceed the ▀Mi-24P's listed maximal speed by as much as 30 km/h without problems, once you hit 370 km/h and above, your helicopter '''WILL''' flop to the right side. This is especially dangerous during low altitude flight as you won't have time to recover, even with experienced crew.
+Be aware that while you can exceed the ▀Mi-24P's listed maximal speed by as much as 30 km/h without problems, once you hit 370 km/h and above, your helicopter will flop to the right side. This is especially dangerous during low altitude flight as you won't have time to recover, even with experienced crew.
-Also be aware that when hovering, the ▀Mi-24P is prone to '''vortex ring state''', a dangerous condition leading to loss of lift and eventually, crash. It is of utmost importance to start moving in any direction, thus gaining lift, as soon as a warning pops up on your screen, otherwise you risk severely damaging if not losing your helicopter.
+Also be aware that when hovering, the ▀Mi-24P is prone to vortex ring state, a dangerous condition leading to loss of lift and eventually, crash. It is of utmost importance to start moving in any direction, thus gaining lift, as soon as a warning pops up on your screen, otherwise you risk severely damaging if not losing your helicopter.
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 Crew sits in an armoured tub consisting of 4 mm steel plates on sides. Gunner position is upgraded to 8 mm plates while pilot gets 4 mm steel plates in his seat. Both crew members get access to 55 mm armoured glass in front of their position.
-Armour layout can protect you comfortably from low calibre machine guns and at distance, from [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|.50 cals]] as those commonly used by NATO tanks.
+Armour layout can protect you comfortably from low-calibre machine guns and at distance, from [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|.50 cal]] MGs as those commonly used by NATO tanks.
 Larger calibres, such as those found on IFVs, can chew right through your armour, especially at close range.
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 The ▀Mi-24P is equipped with a plethora of technologies which increase your survivability dramatically.
-First, you have the option to install '''HIRSS''', Hover Infrared Suppressor System that allows your helicopter to reduce or almost eliminate all infrared radiation emitted by exhaust gases of its engines to the surroundings.
+First, you have the option to install HIRSS, Hover Infrared Suppressor System that allows your helicopter to reduce or almost eliminate all infrared radiation emitted by exhaust gases of its engines to the surroundings.
-Second, you can install '''IRCM''', non-coherent flashlamps and infrared signal emitters that direct its energy towards incoming missiles in an attempt to blind the missile's infrared sensors and confuse its tracking. In-game, it also causes radar lock to "wiggle" all around your helicopter when viewed through enemy scope, increasing probability of miss.
+Second, you can install IRCM, non-coherent flashlamps and infrared signal emitters that direct its energy towards incoming missiles in an attempt to blind the missile's infrared sensors and confuse its tracking. In-game, it also causes radar lock to "wiggle" all around your helicopter when viewed through enemy scope, increasing probability of miss.
-Third, you are equipped with '''RWR''', a radar warning receiver, from the get go. This piece of tech alerts you of active radars on the battlefield, be it ground or air based, and gives you warning when you get radar locked. It also lets you know the position of active radars relative to your helicopter and highlights which radar has locked you.
+Third, you are equipped with RWR, a radar warning receiver, from the get go. This piece of tech alerts you of active radars on the battlefield, be it ground or air based, and gives you warning when you get radar locked. It also lets you know the position of active radars relative to your helicopter and highlights which radar has locked you.
-Lastly, you can equip a '''countermeasure launcher''' with a capacity of 192 of either flares, chaff or combination of both. Those are mounted right behind your wing pylons on the side of Hind. Flares work against IR tracking missiles, chaff works against both searching and tracking radar. Since there are currently only two AA vehicles in game equipped with IR SAMs (Japanese [[Type 93]] and Chinese [[PGZ04A]]), it is preferable to prioritize chaff over flares. This becomes more important with growing distance, since IR SAMs can't reach your maximum engagement range when you are using Shturms.
+Lastly, you can equip a countermeasure launcher with a capacity of 192 of either flares, chaff or combination of both. Those are mounted right behind your wing pylons on the side of Hind. Flares work against IR tracking missiles, chaff works against both searching and tracking radar. Since there are currently only two AA vehicles in game equipped with IR SAMs (Japanese [[Type 93]] and Chinese [[PGZ04A]]), it is preferable to prioritize chaff over flares. This becomes more important with growing distance, since IR SAMs can't reach your maximum engagement range when you are using Shturms.
 There is not one downside to having all of the above mentioned countermeasures, so keep all of them equipped, always.
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 '''Staying alive'''
-Depending on the situation and payload, your approach to survival is radically different. Rule of thumb is that it is almost always better to stay low to the ground in order to break line of sight and to stay below altitude where proximity fuze on SAMs activates ( usually 25m above ground), but this will be covered more in '''Usage in battles''' section.
+Depending on the situation and payload, your approach to survival is radically different. Rule of thumb is that it is almost always better to stay low to the ground in order to break line of sight and to stay below altitude where proximity fuse on SAMs activates (usually 25 m above ground).
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 '''Tactics:'''
-Let's get this out of the way first - helicopter rush tactic '''is a gamble''', since it can lead to either great success (destroying several tanks from the enemy team for the price of one helicopter) or catastrophic failure (getting slapped by [[ADATS]] halfway to the combat zone), depending on whenever the enemy team has active AA at the start of the match.
+Let's get this out of the way first - helicopter rush tactic is a gamble, since it can lead to either great success (destroying several tanks from the enemy team for the price of one helicopter) or catastrophic failure (getting slapped by an [[XM1069]] halfway to the combat zone), depending on whenever the enemy team has active AA at the start of the match.
-Thankfully, the ▀Mi-24P, thanks to its ballistic computer, speed, and armour can helicopter rush at the start of the round well. Be aware that it is more often than not a one way trip, since opponents will likely spawn dedicated AA after getting killed by rushing helicopter and '''will''' delete you from sky. Sometimes, you won't even get a chance to do that - some players anticipate helicopter rushes and start a game in AA vehicles, thus probably shutting down your helicopter even before it can do any damage.
+Thankfully, the ▀Mi-24P, thanks to its ballistic computer, speed, and armour can helicopter rush at the start of the round well. Be aware that it is more often than not a one way trip, since opponents will likely spawn dedicated AA after getting killed by rushing helicopter and will delete you from sky. Sometimes, you won't even get a chance to do that - some players anticipate helicopter rushes and start a game in AA vehicles, thus probably shutting down your helicopter even before it can do any damage.
 That being said, when helicopter rushing at the start of the round, you need to approach the battlefield as low as possible, in order to avoid enemy radar and break line of sight by putting terrain, trees and structures between you and the enemy. Select heliport spawn closer to the battlefield, and start approaching either spawn or capture point; those have the highest chance of enemies being concentrated there.
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 As you climb, use your RWR to determine whenever the enemy team has AA or not - if you get pings from RWR, try to find and dispatch enemy AA before it can fire at you - this will allow you to stay alive for a little longer. Only then should you switch your attention to enemy tanks.
-One last thing to note is that you '''will be heard before seen''', as helicopters are usually very loud, and some skilled players can anticipate your direction from sound alone and can counter you as soon as you appear above horizon - tanks like [[M1A2 Abrams|M1A2]] are equipped with proximity fuze HEAT-FS shells designed to take down low-flying helicopters, and most IFVs can elevate their guns high enough to engage you when you first emerge from behind the horizon. Thus gaining altitude is vital to success when helicopter rushing.
+One last thing to note is that you will be heard before seen, as helicopters are usually very loud, and some skilled players can anticipate your direction from sound alone and can counter you as soon as you appear above horizon - tanks like [[M1A2 Abrams|M1A2]] are equipped with proximity fuze HEAT-FS shells designed to take down low-flying helicopters, and most IFVs can elevate their guns high enough to engage you when you first emerge from behind the horizon. Thus gaining altitude is vital to success when helicopter rushing.
 '''If you decided to go with sniping with Shturms:'''
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 '''Recommended loadout:'''
-If there are '''no enemy planes active''' on the battlefield, pick loadout with the maximum number of Shturms ATGMs possible - these are your best choice at dispatching armoured targets.
+If there are no enemy planes active on the battlefield, pick loadout with the maximum number of Shturms ATGMs possible - these are your best choice at dispatching armoured targets.
-If there '''are enemy planes active''', pick loadout with R-60M missiles, those help you with clearing the airspace of any threats to your helicopter.
+If there are enemy planes active, pick loadout with R-60M missiles, those help you with clearing the airspace of any threats to your helicopter.
 You can also pick secondary armament to go with your Shturms - either GSh-23L gun pods or S-8KO rocket pods.

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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mi_24p_german Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|lTR8bhL4BUc|'''The Mi-24 Family''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 5:56 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|o90jz82NemI|'''Ultimate MI-24 Guide''' -By Bob Dickinson}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|o90jz82NemI|'''Mi-24 Ultimate Review''' - ''Bob Dickinson''|lTR8bhL4BUc|'''The Mi-24 Family''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 5:56 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
 == See also ==

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 == History ==
-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the helicopter in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
+One of the first known occasion for Mi-24P in East Germany was observed as early as 1982 where it joined Soviet Armed Force and also been deployed by the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSFG).<ref>https://www.16va.be/4.2_les_mi-24_part2_eng.html</ref> Accord to the records of NVA and Luftwaffe, the 3rd Helicopter Squadron of Kampfhubschraubergeschwader 5 ''(KHG 5 "Adolf von Lützow")'' of the Basepohl Airfield received 12 Mi-24P in late-1989, all after the collapse of Berlin Wall. These helicopters were soon transferred to the post-unification ''Heeresfliegerstaffel 80'' (Army Aviation Squadron 80) of German Army then the WTD 61(Wehrtechnische Dienststelle 61) for further evaluation by both Heer and US Army.
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mi_24p_german Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Other Mi-24P variants
 * [[Mi-24P HFS 80 (Germany)]]
 * [[Mi-24P]]
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 ! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs)
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 * A choice between four presets:
-** 2 x 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannons, cheek-mounted (125 rpg = 250 total)
+** 1 x 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannons, cheek-mounted (250 total)
-** 2 x 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannons + HIRSS
+** 1 x 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannons + HIRSS
-** 2 x 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannons + HIRSS + 192 x countermeasures
+** 1 x 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannons + HIRSS + 192 x countermeasures
-** 2 x 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannons + HIRSS + 192 x countermeasures + IRCM
+** 1 x 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannons + HIRSS + 192 x countermeasures + IRCM
 The ▀Mi-24P is armed with a 30 mm GSh-30-2K cannon. It can shred any air target unfortunate enough to get in its range. With ground belts, it can make short work of any light vehicle or SPAAG, though main battle tanks will shrug your fire without any serious damage.
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 {{main|9M114 Shturm|R-60|R-60MK|S-8KO|GSh-23L (23 mm)}}
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
 * Without load
 * 80 x S-8KO rockets
 * 4 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 2 x 500 kg FAB-500M-54 bombs (1,000 kg total)
 * 4 x 23 mm GSh-23L cannons (250 rpg = 1,000 total)
-* 4 x 9M114 Shturm missiles + 4 x 23 mm GSh-23L cannons
-* 4 x 9M114 Shturm missiles + 4 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
+==== Custom loadout options ====
-* 4 x 9M114 Shturm missiles + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500M-54 bombs (1,000 kg total)
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-* 4 x 9M114 Shturm missiles + 40 x S-8KO rockets + 2 x 23 mm GSh-23L cannons
+|-
-* 40 x S-8KO rockets + 2 x R-60 missiles
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-* 40 x S-8KO rockets + 2 x R-60 missiles + 4 x 9M114 Shturm missiles
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-* 40 x S-8KO rockets + 4 x R-60 missiles
+|-
-* 40 x S-8KO rockets + 4 x R-60 missiles + 4 x 9M114 Shturm missiles
+! 23 mm GSh-23L cannons (250 rpg)
-* 40 x S-8KO rockets + 2 x R-60MK missiles
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-* 40 x S-8KO rockets + 2 x R-60MK missiles + 4 x 9M114 Shturm missiles
+|-
-* 40 x S-8KO rockets + 4 x R-60MK missiles
+! 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs
-* 40 x S-8KO rockets + 4 x R-60MK missiles + 4 x 9M114 Shturm missiles
+| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
-* 8 x 9M114 Shturm missiles
+|-
-* 8 x 9M114 Shturm missiles + 40 x S-8KO rockets
+! 500 kg FAB-500M-54 bombs
-* 8 x 9M114 Shturm missiles + 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (500 kg total)
+| || || 1 || 1 || ||
-* 8 x 9M114 Shturm missiles + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500M-54 bombs (1,000 kg total)
+|-
-* 8 x 9M114 Shturm missiles + 2 x 23 mm GSh-23L cannons
+! S-8KO rockets
 Compared to NATO helicopters in the German tech tree, the ▀Mi-24P has the ability to perfectly tailor its payload to any battlefield scenario it can encounter.

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 {{About
-| about = German attack helicopter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
+| about = attack helicopter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
-| other
+| usage = other versions
-| usage-1 = the Soviet version
+| link = Mi-24 (Family)
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 == See also ==
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the helicopter;''
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 == External links ==