Me 262 C-2b - Revision history

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‎Description: Added information comparing the C-1b to the C-1a and A-1a, and adding some basic information similar to the C-1a page that would be useful at a glance.

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 '''Pros:'''
 * Can use boosters to outrun and outclimb other aircraft
 * Excellent energy retention, can hold onto speed earned from boosters for a good while
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 * Devastating offensive armament at close range
 * Great plane for arcade battles, as it climbs quickly with the rocket boosters and can land to refuel them
 '''Cons:'''
 * Handling feels heavy
 * Slow compared to other aircraft at the rank
 * Horrible climb rate if boosters aren't in use
-* Performs significantly worse than the A-1a variant
+* Performs significantly worse than the A-1a variant unless boosters are engaged
 * MK 108 cannons are not well suited for jet-on-jet combat
 * No airbrakes to slow down

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 == Description ==
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+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-To combat constant Allied bomber raids, the need for a high-performance interceptor was at an all-time high, Many proposals and designs were made and one of those designs was the Me 262 C-2b, a variant that would be based on the Me 262 A series and fitted with rocket boosters. Nicknamed “Home Defender”,  it would retain the two normal turbojets with the addition of two rocket boosters, each one mounted on top of both engine exhausts. Although the idea was thought of in 1943, it would take two years for the only 262 C-2b prototype to take flight in March of 1945. During the test flight, it boasted an incredible climb rate and was able to reach 30,000 feet (9,100 meters) in three minutes. However, the Me 262 C-2b arrived far too late into the war.
+To combat constant Allied bomber raids, the need for a high-performance interceptor was at an all-time high. Many proposals and designs were made and one of those designs was the Me 262 C-2b, a variant based on the Me 262 A series fitted with rocket boosters. Nicknamed the "Home Defender", it would retain the two normal turbojets with the addition of two rocket boosters, one mounted on top of each engine exhaust. Although the idea was thought of in 1943, it would take two years for the only 262 C-2b prototype to take flight in March 1945. During the test flight, it boasted an incredible climb rate and was able to reach 30,000 feet (9,100 metres) in three minutes. However, the Me 262 C-2b arrived far too late into the war.
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced in [[Update 1.41]]. Since the C-2b is based on the Me 262 A, it has four MK 108 30 mm cannons mounted in the nose. Unfortunately, the MK 108s are insufficient at jet battle ratings. The velocity requires excessive lead compared to other cannons and the MK 108’s lack significant effective range. The 262 C-2b has around six minutes of booster fuel, and it should be mainly used in accelerating to a suitable speed. Once the booster fuel runs out, the C-2b becomes outclassed by many of its enemy fighters near its battle ratings. The Me 262 C-2b is a capable plane however players should expect it to be difficult to use.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced in [[Update 1.41]]. Since the C-2b is based on the Me 262 A, it has four MK 108 30 mm cannons mounted in the nose. Unfortunately, the MK 108s are insufficient at jet battle ratings. The velocity requires excessive lead compared to other cannons and the MK 108's lack significant effective range. The 262 C-2b has around six minutes of booster fuel, and it should be mainly used in accelerating to a suitable speed. Once the booster fuel runs out, the C-2b becomes outclassed by many of its opponents. The Me 262 C-2b is a capable plane, however players should expect it to be difficult to use.
 == General info ==
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-After constant bombing raids by Allied bombers, Germany realized they needed a more capable interceptor that could reach the heights bomber crews operated at in record time. One of the proposals was the Me 262 C. Nicknamed Heimatschützer (“Home Defender”), these variants were intended to be fitted with one or more rockets that would greatly increase the climb rate and reach Allied bombers much faster. The Me 262 C-2b would receive two BMW 109-718 rocket motors mounted on the engines. The fuel pumps would inject both a nitric acid oxidizer and hydrocarbon fuel. This generated around 2,200 lb of thrust and greatly boosted the climb rate. During the Me 262 C-2bs one and only test flight, it managed to achieve 30,000 feet (~9,100 m) in only three minutes. Unfortunately for the C-2b, it was introduced far too late into the war to have any impact.
+After constant bombing raids by Allied bombers, Germany realized they needed a more capable interceptor that could reach the heights bomber crews operated at in record time. One of the proposals was the Me 262 C. Nicknamed Heimatschützer ("Home Defender"), these variants were intended to be fitted with one or more rockets that would greatly increase the climb rate and reach Allied bombers much faster. The Me 262 C-2b would receive two BMW 109-718 rocket motors mounted on the engines. The fuel pumps would inject both a nitric acid oxidizer and hydrocarbon fuel. This generated around 2,200 lb of thrust and greatly boosted the climb rate. During the Me 262 C-2bs one and only test flight, it managed to achieve 30,000 feet (~9,100 m) in only three minutes. Unfortunately for the C-2b, it was introduced far too late into the war to have any impact.
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 == Description ==
-<!--''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.''-->The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.41]]
+<!--''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.''-->
-The Me 262 C-2b is an overall slight upgrade to the [[Me 262 C-1a]], being fitted with a pair of rocket boosters located on the engine nacelles rather than a single, more powerful booster on the tail. This improves its thrust-to-weight ratio compared to the C-1a with the boosters active to a noticeable level, especially on minimum fuel. The booster rocket thrust alone on the Me 262 C-2b is slightly lower than that of the Me 262 C-1a and the total burn time of the boosters is also shorter.
+To combat constant Allied bomber raids, the need for a high-performance interceptor was at an all-time high, Many proposals and designs were made and one of those designs was the Me 262 C-2b, a variant that would be based on the Me 262 A series and fitted with rocket boosters. Nicknamed “Home Defender”,  it would retain the two normal turbojets with the addition of two rocket boosters, each one mounted on top of both engine exhausts. Although the idea was thought of in 1943, it would take two years for the only 262 C-2b prototype to take flight in March of 1945. During the test flight, it boasted an incredible climb rate and was able to reach 30,000 feet (9,100 meters) in three minutes. However, the Me 262 C-2b arrived far too late into the war.
-Like the Me 262 C-1a, it is intended as an interceptor, climbing very quickly under the power of its booster rockets combined with its two jet engines. Without its booster rockets, the Heimatschützer II functions very similarly to the [[Me 262 A-1a]] and Me 262 C-1a, however the jet engines on the Me 262 C-2b are both mildly less massive and have marginally less thrust. It has the same 4 x 30 mm MK 108 cannons as the Me 262 A-1a and Me 262 C-1a.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced in [[Update 1.41]]. Since the C-2b is based on the Me 262 A, it has four MK 108 30 mm cannons mounted in the nose. Unfortunately, the MK 108s are insufficient at jet battle ratings. The velocity requires excessive lead compared to other cannons and the MK 108’s lack significant effective range. The 262 C-2b has around six minutes of booster fuel, and it should be mainly used in accelerating to a suitable speed. Once the booster fuel runs out, the C-2b becomes outclassed by many of its enemy fighters near its battle ratings. The Me 262 C-2b is a capable plane however players should expect it to be difficult to use.
 == General info ==

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 == History ==
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-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
 == Media ==

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 <!--''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.''-->The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.41]]
-Currently, it is in a folder with the [[Me 262 C-1a]], so it is optional in the tech tree progression.
+The Me 262 C-2b is an overall slight upgrade to the [[Me 262 C-1a]], being fitted with a pair of rocket boosters located on the engine nacelles rather than a single, more powerful booster on the tail. This improves its thrust-to-weight ratio compared to the C-1a with the boosters active to a noticeable level, especially on minimum fuel. The booster rocket thrust alone on the Me 262 C-2b is slightly lower than that of the Me 262 C-1a and the total burn time of the boosters is also shorter.
-The Me 262 C-1b is an overall slight upgrade to the [[Me 262 C-1a]]. The Me 262 C-1b Heimatschützer II is a [[Me 262 C-1a]] fitted with a pair of rocket boosters located on the engine nacelles rather than a single, more powerful booster on the tail. This improves its Thrust to Weight Ratio compared to the [[Me 262 C-1a]] with the boosters active to a noticeable level, especially on minimum fuel. The booster rocket thrust alone on the Me 262 C-2b is slightly lower than that of the [[Me 262 C-1a]] and the total burn time of the boosters is also shorter.
+Like the Me 262 C-1a, it is intended as an interceptor, climbing very quickly under the power of its booster rockets combined with its two jet engines. Without its booster rockets, the Heimatschützer II functions very similarly to the [[Me 262 A-1a]] and Me 262 C-1a, however the jet engines on the Me 262 C-2b are both mildly less massive and have marginally less thrust. It has the same 4 x 30 mm MK 108 cannons as the Me 262 A-1a and Me 262 C-1a.
 == General info ==

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 {{Specs-Economy}}
-The biggest issue of the Schwalbe is its bad acceleration across all speeds. Thus "Compressor" and "New Engine" upgrades have the highest priority. The stock belts are decent, but the high explosive content increases with the new ammo, so including belts into the upgrade route is not a bad idea. The same applies to the rockets. Being able to knock out bases or tanks(direct hit) with these warheads, makes the late game much more easy to win if the last enemies are running or hiding. "New cannons" is an interesting upgrade choice as it increases accuracy above 300 m (350 yds), but the MK 108 will still be unable to hit a yarn-door at 500 m (600 yds). Cool-down and jamming is nothing the "Sledgehammer" has to deal with, considering the damage potential and low ammo count per gun.
+The biggest issue of the Schwalbe is its bad acceleration across all speeds. Thus "Compressor" and "New Engine" upgrades have the highest priority. The stock belts are decent, but the high explosive content increases with the new ammo, so including belts into the upgrade route is not a bad idea. The same applies to the rockets. Being able to knock out bases or tanks(direct hit) with these warheads, makes the late game much more easy to win if the last enemies are running or hiding. "New cannons" is an interesting upgrade choice as it increases accuracy above 300 m (350 yds), but the MK 108 will still be unable to hit a barn-door at 500 m (600 yds). Cool-down and jamming is nothing the "Sledgehammer" has to deal with, considering the damage potential and low ammo count per gun.
 == Armaments ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=me-262c-2b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[Me 262 (Family)]]

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 {{Specs-Economy}}
-The biggest issue of the Schwalbe is its bad acceleration across all speeds. Thus "Compressor" and "New Engine" upgrades have the highest priority. The stock belts are decent, but the high explosive content increases with the new ammo, so including belts into the upgrade route is not a bad idea. The same applies to the rockets. Being able to knockout bases or tanks(direct hit) with these warheads, makes the late game much more easy to win if the last enemies are running or hiding. "New cannons" is an interesting upgrade choice as it increases accuracy above 300 m (350 yds), but the MK 108 will still be unable to hit a yarn-door at 500 m (600 yds). Cool-down and jamming is nothing the "Sledgehammer" has to deal with, considering the damage potential and low ammo count per gun.
+The biggest issue of the Schwalbe is its bad acceleration across all speeds. Thus "Compressor" and "New Engine" upgrades have the highest priority. The stock belts are decent, but the high explosive content increases with the new ammo, so including belts into the upgrade route is not a bad idea. The same applies to the rockets. Being able to knock out bases or tanks(direct hit) with these warheads, makes the late game much more easy to win if the last enemies are running or hiding. "New cannons" is an interesting upgrade choice as it increases accuracy above 300 m (350 yds), but the MK 108 will still be unable to hit a yarn-door at 500 m (600 yds). Cool-down and jamming is nothing the "Sledgehammer" has to deal with, considering the damage potential and low ammo count per gun.
 == Armaments ==
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 '''Aggressive climb''' - Useful against pure enemy jet teams. The same principle as merely "Climb", however with the twist of actively engaging towards the hostile airfield to intercept with E-advantage enemy fighters. Air-Domination is established beyond the frontline with the prime directive to hinder enemy aircraft (especially jets) to gain any further altitude. If piston aircraft are present, this may prove to be difficult as these machines will be on or even above the Me 262 C upon contact. Hostile jets though will again not be on a similar energy state, making them on the first two initial passes easy prey. Good energy management is key though.
-'''Rush''' - Enemy team energy denial. This strategy can prove deadly but will provide similar aggressive team-mates with a better outset once team vs team combat starts. Start boosters after spawning and use them to reach maximum level flight speed. Reduce engine throttle before losing a wing. Head straight for the enemy and disturb them in their acceleration & climb. The idea is to either seize targets of opportunity (e.g. AFK climbers, unaware targets) or to confuse the foes to give one's allies the aforementioned better vantage position.
+'''Rush''' - Enemy team energy denial. This strategy can prove deadly but will provide similar aggressive team-mates with a better outset once team vs team combat starts. Start boosters after spawning and use them to reach maximum level flight speed. Reduce engine throttle before losing a wing. Head straight for the enemy and disturb them in their acceleration & climb. The idea is to either seize targets of opportunity (e.g. AFK climbers, unaware targets) or to confuse the foes to give one's allies the better vantage position.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
 * Boom and zoom is a must with this plane, as it keeps up with all other jets
-* Can use boosters to outrun and out-climb other aircraft
+* Can use boosters to outrun and outclimb other aircraft
 * Excellent energy retention, can hold onto speed earned from boosters for a good while
 * Good roll rate
 '''Cons:'''
-* Handling feels Heavy
+* Handling feels heavy
 * Slow compared to other aircraft at the rank
 * Horrible climb rate if boosters aren't in use
 * Performs significantly worse than the A-1a variant
-* MK 108s are not well suited for jet combat.
+* MK 108 cannons are not well suited for jet-on-jet combat
 * No airbrakes to slow down
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
-* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
+;Related development
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* [[Me 262 (Family)]]
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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.41]].
 == General info ==
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 * 4 x 30 mm MK 108 cannons, nose-mounted (2 x 100 rpg top + 2 x 80 rpg bottom = 360 total)
 == Usage in battles ==
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 Anti-fighter combat strategies include:
-'''Climb''': Self-explanatory, rockets are used to boost oneself up to > 7000 m. Henceforth denying enemy fighters absolute altitude advantage. Of course, this must be followed through to the extreme, as once altitude advantage is gone, so will be the Me 262. Especially high-altitude prop-aircraft will be dangerous foes as jet-engine's power steadily declines over altitude. Whereas turbochargers and superchargers will keep the piston engine's power output steady. Watch out for these particular foes: [[P-47D-25|P-47D]], [[Bostwick's P-47M-1-RE|P-47M]], [[F8F-1B|F8F-1B]], [[Spitfire F Mk 24|Spitfire Mk 24]]/[[Spitfire F Mk 22|Mk 22]], [[J7W1|J7W1]] and [[Ta 152 H-1|Ta 152H-1]], if this strategy is chosen. Commence in classic Boom and Zoom tactics.
+'''Climb''' - Self-explanatory. Rockets are used to boost oneself up to > 7,000 m. Henceforth denying enemy fighters absolute altitude advantage. Of course, this must be followed through to the extreme, as once altitude advantage is gone, so will be the Me 262. Especially high-altitude propeller-driven aircraft will be dangerous foes as jet-engine's power steadily declines over altitude. Whereas turbochargers and superchargers will keep the piston engine's power output steady. Watch out for late piston-engine fighters, even if they're out of their BR range. Apply classic Boom and Zoom tactics to eliminate them.
-'''Aggressive climb''': Useful against pure enemy jet teams
+'''Aggressive climb''' - Useful against pure enemy jet teams. The same principle as merely "Climb", however with the twist of actively engaging towards the hostile airfield to intercept with E-advantage enemy fighters. Air-Domination is established beyond the frontline with the prime directive to hinder enemy aircraft (especially jets) to gain any further altitude. If piston aircraft are present, this may prove to be difficult as these machines will be on or even above the Me 262 C upon contact. Hostile jets though will again not be on a similar energy state, making them on the first two initial passes easy prey. Good energy management is key though.
-'''Rush''': Enemy team energy denial
+'''Rush''' - Enemy team energy denial. This strategy can prove deadly but will provide similar aggressive team-mates with a better outset once team vs team combat starts. Start boosters after spawning and use them to reach maximum level flight speed. Reduce engine throttle before losing a wing. Head straight for the enemy and disturb them in their acceleration & climb. The idea is to either seize targets of opportunity (e.g. AFK climbers, unaware targets) or to confuse the foes to give one's allies the aforementioned better vantage position.
 === Pros and cons ===