Machbet - Revision history

U116381122: Maximum G overload of FIM-92 missile, 10G->13G

2024-10-14T12:53:18Z

Maximum G overload of FIM-92 missile, 10G->13G

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‎Description

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U4656018: Updated and detailed usage in battle

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Updated and detailed usage in battle

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 {{main|FIM-92 Stinger}}
-The FIM-92 E and K are effective weapons but only under certain conditions. With turns at 10 G maximum, the missile will not be able to follow some aircraft unless the angle is favourable. Opportune moments to hit an aircraft are when it is facing directly towards the missile launcher or flying directly away from it. The K upgrade of the missile is more likely to hit due to its proximity fuse with a trigger radius of 5 m. Helicopters, on the other hand, have a good chance of being hit due to their low altitude. Without the use of countermeasures, the missile can be sure to hit a helicopter. However, missiles may have a hard time acquiring helicopters if they are low to the ground, and helicopters may use the terrain to mask themselves or evade incoming missiles.
+The FIM-92 E and K are effective weapons but only under certain conditions. With turns at 13 G maximum overload, the missile will not be able to follow some aircraft unless the angle is favourable. Opportune moments to hit an aircraft are when it is facing directly towards the missile launcher or flying directly away from it. The K upgrade of the missile is more likely to hit due to its proximity fuse with a trigger radius of 5 m. Helicopters, on the other hand, have a good chance of being hit due to their low altitude. Without the use of countermeasures, the missile can be sure to hit a helicopter. However, missiles may have a hard time acquiring helicopters if they are low to the ground, and helicopters may use the terrain to mask themselves or evade incoming missiles.
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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (מחבט; lit. Racquet) was an upgrade of the fleet of [[Hovet]]s (M163 VADS) in service with the Israel Air Defense Command in the late 1990s to modernize the vehicle. The upgrade featured 4 all-aspect infrared-tracking Stinger missiles that allow it to engage long-range targets, and an IRST tracker that was more reliable than the [[AN/VPS-2]] and also doesn't trigger aircraft RWR. These vehicles replaced the Hovet in service by 1998, and were deployed along the Purple Line (post-Six-Day War ceasefire line between Israel/Syria, ''de facto'' border line) until the Israel Air Defense Command was disbanded in 2006.
+IAI, in cooperation with General Dynamics, modernised the [[Hovet]]'s fire control system, introducing an IRST tracker that was more reliable than the [[AN/VPS-2]] and also did not trigger aircraft RWR, and additionally equipped it with a launch unit for four AIM-92 Stinger missiles, allowing it to engage long-range targets. After successful tests of the prototype in 1997, the machine was officially adopted by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) under the name '''Machbet''' (מחבט - "Racquet"). These vehicles replaced the Hovet in service by 1998 and were deployed along the Purple Line (post-Six-Day War ceasefire line between Israel and Syria) until the Israeli Air Defense Command was disbanded in 2006.
-Introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] alongside the initial Israeli tech tree, the overall dimensions of the Machbet is mostly identical to the Hovet. While players will quickly notice the disappearance of the radar rangefinder, the overall capability is now ensured by the new FLIR tracker with optical tracking capability and 4 FIM-92 Stingers to handle long-range (relative to the gun's <2 km range) targets. Players will soon get used to the performance of the Machbet, while enemies might underestimate the potential of these upgrades allowing the joint use of both surface-air missiles and a powerful rotary cannon.
+Introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] alongside the initial Israeli tech tree, the overall dimensions of the Machbet are mostly identical to the Hovet. While players will quickly notice the disappearance of the radar rangefinder, the overall capability is improved by the new optical tracker and four FIM-92 Stingers to handle longer range targets. However, being built on the same M113 chassis as the Hovet, the Machbet remains minimally armoured but relatively mobile.
 == General info ==

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-Despite its thin armour, the Machbet has the particularity of being able to withstand some misplaced shots, but pay attention to HE shells that are able to destroy instantly the vehicle .
+Despite its thin armour, the Machbet has the particularity of being able to withstand some misplaced shots, but pay attention to HE shells that are able to instantly destroy the vehicle.
-Beware also of tanks equipped with machine guns above 7.62 mm calibre, these tanks can easily penetrate the sides of the vehicle.
+Also beware of tanks equipped with machine guns above 7.62 mm calibre, these tanks can easily penetrate the sides of the vehicle.
 '''Armour type:'''
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 {{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-While not being the fastest vehicle, especially while stock, the Machbet lack power in slope but on flat ground , he can handle himself pretty easily.
+While not being the fastest vehicle, especially while stock, the Machbet lacks power in slopes, but on flat ground it can handle itself pretty easily.
 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=301|rbMinHp=188}}

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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Machbet is a very good anti-aircraft vehicle if its capabilities and limitations are managed. It excels in many areas behind the front lines, either directly supporting allies during an assault or back towards spawn or capture points to maintain security.
+By the time of Machbet's upgrade was done on IADC's fleet of Hovet in late-1990s, the world has already been evolved to the 4th generation jets with more than enough ordnances to take out Machbet at long distance; but if used cautiously against earlier jets with inferior electronics and aim for careless targets, Machbet could still serve the team well with its obsolete chassis.
-Difficulties will be met around BR 10.0 matches as multiple aircraft types will have access to countermeasures able to defeat the FIM-92 Stinger missiles.
+After players researched Machbet from [[ZSU-23-4 (Israel)|captured ZSU-23-4]], they will soon meet their old-friend: another M163 VADS (Hovet). But when they first get their hands on the "new" vehicle, they can certainly find differences from Hovet - firstly, the iconic [[AN/VPS-2]] tracking radar is now replaced by new opto-electronic trackers with FLIR cameras; secondly, there is a large, cubic box that housed 4 FIM-92 Stingers MANPADS. Some players will compare Machbet with [[SIDAM 25 (Mistral)]] or [[LAV-AD]] which also has similar configuration with guns and MAMPADS, but all these 3 vehicles have a common problem: they lack a search radar for sole operations (while [[Gepard 1A2]] and [[PGZ04A]] have independent search and track devices) as they requires centralized command systems and datalink. So players will have to be extra cautious on enemy aircrafts; thanks to the new FLIR tracker, it now enjoys optical locking at up to 10 km without triggering enemy RWR, as well as its IR channel which boost target searching as player vehicles should be the hottest object both on ground and in the skies. But most of all, players would have to be aware on where enemy aircrafts usually appear (i.e. direction of enemy helipads and air respawns), be sure to utilize the advanced electronics onboard to seek for targets, alternatively asking for the help from allies especially other SPAAs with search radar can further boost the combat capabilities of Machbet; else, players should keep a ear on enemy engine sounds. Therefore, playing aggressively is not a viable option for Machbet; instead, using covers to conceal yourself from enemy visual, then wait for enemy aircrafts in missile/gun firing range is the way to earn victories against enemies. The firepower of M168 Vulcan can certainly shatter enemy in pieces while the Stingers can extend the firing radius up to 6 km (depending on target's heat signature); be sure to leave enough clearance and lead the missile before launching them as you only have 4 chances to hit enemies, hitting subsonic jets or those which have depleted their energy is the best way to score victories with maximum efficiency.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Have powerful 20 mm M168 for close-range protection against aircraft.
 * Lightweight with good horsepower for good mobility
-* Access to thermal imager
+* Access to advanced electronics (LRF and thermal camera with optical tracking)
 '''Cons:'''
 * Armour is thin and basically non-existent except against machine gun calibre rounds
 * 20 mm only useful within 2 km firing distance
 == History ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}'''  ('''מחבט; lit. Racquet)''' was an upgrade of the fleet of Hovet (M163 VADS) in IDF service in late 1990s to modernize the vehicle, the upgrade features 4 all-aspect infrared-tracking Stinger missiles that allow it to engage long-range targets and an IRST tracker that is more reliable than the [[AN/VPS-2]] which also doesn't trigger aircraft RWRs; these vehicles soon replaced Hovet in service by 1998 and been deployed at the Purple Line (Post-Six-Day War ceasefire line between Israel/Syria, ''de facto'' borderline) since then until the Israel Air Defense Command was disbanded in 2006.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (מחבט; lit. Racquet) was an upgrade of the fleet of [[Hovet]]s (M163 VADS) in service with the Israel Air Defense Command in the late 1990s to modernize the vehicle. The upgrade featured 4 all-aspect infrared-tracking Stinger missiles that allow it to engage long-range targets, and an IRST tracker that was more reliable than the [[AN/VPS-2]] and also doesn't trigger aircraft RWR. These vehicles replaced the Hovet in service by 1998, and were deployed along the Purple Line (post-Six-Day War ceasefire line between Israel/Syria, ''de facto'' border line) until the Israel Air Defense Command was disbanded in 2006.
-Introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] alongside with Israel tech-tree, the overall dimension of Machbet is mostly identical to Hovet; while players would soon notice the disappearance of the radar rangefinder, the overall capability is now ensured by the new FLIR tracker with optical tracking capability and 4 FIM-92 Stingers to handle long-range (relative to the gun's < 2 km range) targets. Players will soon get used to the performance of Machbet, enemies might underestimate the potential of these upgrades until they got shot down by either the missiles or the gun itself.
+Introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] alongside the initial Israeli tech tree, the overall dimensions of the Machbet is mostly identical to the Hovet. While players will quickly notice the disappearance of the radar rangefinder, the overall capability is now ensured by the new FLIR tracker with optical tracking capability and 4 FIM-92 Stingers to handle long-range (relative to the gun's <2 km range) targets. Players will soon get used to the performance of the Machbet, while enemies might underestimate the potential of these upgrades allowing the joint use of both surface-air missiles and a powerful rotary cannon.
 == General info ==
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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-As the world entered the last decade of 20th Century, Hovet would already been obsolete against new aerial threats due to its inferior FCS and lack of missile. Thus IAI planned for an upgrade to the fleet of Hovet with modernized FLIR tracking systems and FIM-92 Stingers MANPADS; this upgrade also introduced GPS and the "Hermit" (הרמיט) computerized command system for battery vehicles with all-in-one display of radar signals and video display from command systems via a military-grade briefcase laptop.
+As the world entered the last decade of the 20th Century, the [[Hovet]] had already become obsolete against new aerial threats due to its inferior FCS and lack of missiles. Thus, IAI planned for an upgrade to the fleet of Hovets with modernized FLIR tracking systems and FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS; this upgrade also introduced GPS and the "Hermit" (הרמיט) computerized command system for battery vehicles with all-in-one display of radar signals and video display from command systems via a military-grade briefcase laptop.
-The upgraded vehicles replaced Hovet in borderline air-defense by 1998 and served IADC until their disbandment in 2006. <ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20110514104344/http://www.iaf.org.il/241-18138-he/IAF.aspx?indx=1</ref>
+The upgraded vehicles replaced Hovet in border air-defense by 1998 and served with the Israel Air Defense Command until its disbandment in 2006. <ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20110514104344/http://www.iaf.org.il/241-18138-he/IAF.aspx?indx=1</ref>
 === [[wt:en/news/7601-development-machbet-desert-vulcan-en|Devblog]] ===

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}'''  ('''מחבט; lit. Racquet)''' was an upgrade of the fleet of Hovet (M163 VADS) in IDF service in late 1990s to modernize the vehicle, the upgrade features 4 all-aspect infrared-tracking Stinger missiles that allow it to engage long-range targets and an IRST tracker that is more reliable than the [[AN/VPS-2]] which also doesn't trigger aircraft RWRs; these vehicles soon replaced Hovet in service by 1998 and been deployed at the Purple Line (Post-Six-Day War ceasefire line between Israel/Syria, ''de facto'' borderline) since then until the Israel Air Defense Command was disbanded in 2006.
-Introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] alongside with Israel tech-tree, the overall dimension of Machbet is mostly identical to Hovet; but the lack of radar rangefinder and 4 additional Stingers will certainly keep the vehicle up-to-date thanks to the upgraded FCS with IR channel. Players will soon get used to the performance of Machbet, enemies might underestimate the potential of these upgrades until they got shot down by either the missiles or the gun itself.
+Introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] alongside with Israel tech-tree, the overall dimension of Machbet is mostly identical to Hovet; while players would soon notice the disappearance of the radar rangefinder, the overall capability is now ensured by the new FLIR tracker with optical tracking capability and 4 FIM-92 Stingers to handle long-range (relative to the gun's < 2 km range) targets. Players will soon get used to the performance of Machbet, enemies might underestimate the potential of these upgrades until they got shot down by either the missiles or the gun itself.
 == General info ==
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 {{Manufacturer IAI}}
 {{Israel anti-aircraft vehicles}}

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Israeli SPAA {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}'''  ('''מחבט; lit. Racquet)''' was an upgrade of the fleet of Hovet (M163 VADS) in IDF service in late 1990s to modernize the vehicle, the upgrade features 4 all-aspect infrared-tracking Stinger missiles that allow it to engage long-range targets and an IRST tracker that is more reliable than the [[AN/VPS-2]] which also doesn't trigger aircraft RWRs; these vehicles soon replaced Hovet in service by 1998 and been deployed at the Purple Line (Post-Six-Day War ceasefire line between Israel/Syria, ''de facto'' borderline) since then until the Israel Air Defense Command was disbanded in 2006.
-An upgrade of the [[Hovet]], the Machbet features 4 all-aspect infrared-tracking Stinger missiles that allow it to engage long-range targets and an IRST tracker that is more reliable than the [[AN/VPS-2]] which also doesn't trigger aircraft RWRs.
+Introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] alongside with Israel tech-tree, the overall dimension of Machbet is mostly identical to Hovet; but the lack of radar rangefinder and 4 additional Stingers will certainly keep the vehicle up-to-date thanks to the upgraded FCS with IR channel. Players will soon get used to the performance of Machbet, enemies might underestimate the potential of these upgrades until they got shot down by either the missiles or the gun itself.
 == General info ==
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 '''Armour type:'''
 * Aluminium Alloy 5083
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 ==== Ammunition ====
 * '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}
 * '''HEI:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}
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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
 === [[wt:en/news/7601-development-machbet-desert-vulcan-en|Devblog]] ===
 After the M163 VADS began being decommissioned from American service, the vehicle was heavily exported to foreign operators. Israel was one of several states which adopted the M163 VADS into its own military under the name 'Hovet' in the early 1980s. By the early 1990s however, it was realized that the system required modernization. As such, the IAI company was tasked with developing an upgrade package.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=il_machbet Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[M113 (Family)]]

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 * '''AP-I:''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}
-{{:M168 (20 mm)/Ammunition|AP-I, API-T, HEF-I, HEI-T}}
+{{:M168 (20 mm)/Ammunition|HEI-T, AP-I, API-T, HEF-I}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-| '''2''' || 1&nbsp;''(+1)'' || ''0(+2)'' || No
+| '''2''' || 1&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 0&nbsp;''(+2)'' || No
 |-
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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:FIM-92 Stinger/Ammunition|FIM-92E, FIM-92K}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====