MK 108 (30 mm) - Revision history

U44629479: Edits

2023-08-01T15:28:50Z

Edits

U44982996 at 14:33, 1 August 2023

2023-08-01T14:33:53Z

U38088265: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */

2022-11-11T21:32:27Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon

U44629479: Edits

2022-08-05T11:57:26Z

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U44629479: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */ Added BV 155 B-1

2022-08-05T11:50:39Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon: Added BV 155 B-1

U38088265: /* Available ammunition */ Updated

2022-04-08T17:58:03Z

‎Available ammunition: Updated

U38088265: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */ Updated

2021-06-04T11:32:10Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon: Updated

U3312106: /* Available ammunition */ Added a table

2021-03-18T12:43:15Z

‎Available ammunition: Added a table

U44629479: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */ Added Me 262 A-1a/Jabo

2021-03-11T23:42:50Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon: Added Me 262 A-1a/Jabo

U38088265: Updated for 2.1

2020-11-18T21:45:51Z

Updated for 2.1

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 '''Pros:'''
 * Filled with a lot of HE filler, giving each impacting shell a serious punch
-* Night belt is consist of full minengeschoß arrangements with tracer properties, making it easier to aim
+* The Night belt consist of Minengeschoß rounds with tracers, making it easier to aim
 * Comes as an upgrade to both motorcannons or as gunpods on the later Bf 109 G series
 * Decent rate of fire for its calibre at 600 RPM
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 '''Cons:'''
 * Slow muzzle velocity and poor ballistic coefficient makes it hard to use against targets beyond 500 m
-* Not ideal for dogfighting as it requires a lot of lead angle.
+* Not ideal for dogfighting as it requires a lot of lead angle
 * In a high speed chase, shells may fail to detonate on target, doing little to no damage
-* Absolutely zero effectiveness against armour.
+* Absolutely zero effectiveness against armour
-* Heavy recoil which can be dangerous if in a low energy state.
+* Heavy recoil which can be dangerous if in a low energy state
 == History ==

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 '''Pros:'''
 * Filled with a lot of HE filler, giving each impacting shell a serious punch
 * Comes as an upgrade to both motorcannons or as gunpods on the later Bf 109 G series
 * Decent rate of fire for its calibre at 600 RPM

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 The 30 mm Mk 108 is a devastating weapon to use... if it manages to hit the target.
-The 30 mm trades heavy firepower and rate of fire for low accuracy and muzzle velocity. While this is great against large, slow aircraft like attackers and bombers, this makes the 30 mm Mk 108 a rather poor armament against faster fighters, requiring a lot of lead. The low accuracy is also noticeable in that shells rarely fly straight past a distance. Because of that, the 30 mm should only be fired once within 600 meters of the target.
+The 30 mm trades heavy firepower and rate of fire for low accuracy and muzzle velocity. While this is great against large, slow aircraft like attackers and bombers, this makes the 30 mm Mk 108 a rather poor armament against faster fighters, requiring a lot of lead. The low accuracy is also noticeable in that shells rarely fly straight past a distance. Because of that, the 30 mm should only be fired once within 600 m of the target.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Slow muzzle velocity and poor ballistic coefficient makes it hard to use against targets beyond 500 meters
+* Slow muzzle velocity and poor ballistic coefficient makes it hard to use against targets beyond 500 m
 * Not ideal for dogfighting as it requires a lot of lead angle.
 * In a high speed chase, shells may fail to detonate on target, doing little to no damage
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 Rheinmetall-Borsig developed a 30 mm autocannon as part of a private project in 1940. It remained only so until the German Reich Aviation Ministry (RLM) put out a requirement for a 30 mm autocannon for use, specifically to counter the rising Allied heavy bomber threats appearing over Germany. Rheinmetall-Borsig submitted their design and once deemed suitable for the role, was accepted into service of the Luftwaffe as the '''MK 108'''.
-The MK 108 design was distinctive for chambering a rather large calibre firepower, yet retain a high firing rate and remain economical. The 30 mm shells fired out of the autocannon were relatively slow at around 500 m/s and had a drastic shell drop with range, forcing pilots to close in distance to make an accurate shot . The large 30 mm shells, especially so with the Minengeschoß shells, are able to down a bomber with a few shells. The MK 108 was able to reach a fire rate of 660 rpm, which allowed pilots to make the most out of a burst. The whole weapon was economical to make, being mostly constructed of stamped parts while remaining light and compact for aircraft mounts.
+The MK 108 design was distinctive for chambering a rather large calibre firepower, yet retain a high rate of fire and remain economical. The 30 mm shells fired out of the autocannon were relatively slow at around 500 m/s and had a drastic shell drop with range, forcing pilots to close in distance to make an accurate shot . The large 30 mm shells, especially so with the Minengeschoß shells, are able to down a bomber with a few shells. The MK 108 was able to reach a fire rate of 660 rpm, which allowed pilots to make the most out of a burst. The whole weapon was economical to make, being mostly constructed of stamped parts while remaining light and compact for aircraft mounts.
-The MK 108 began seeing usage in late autumn 1943 on [[Bf 109 G-6|Bf 109 G]] fighters and Bf 110 heavy fighters. Its distinctive firing noise, due to the high firing rate and heavy muzzle report, caused Allied aircraft crew to nickname the MK 108 as the "Pneumatic Hammer." The MK 108 were soon mounted on a large variety of German aircraft, even their jets. The jet mounts, such as on the [[Me 262 A-1a|Me 262]], proved problematic as their fast speed gave the jets only a small sliver of time from approaching the target to having to disengage to avoid colliding. British test pilot Eric Brown describes the MK 108-armed Me 262 attack pattern as: "if you want to fight and destroy a B-17, you come in on a dive. The 30mm cannon were not so accurate beyond 600 metres. So you normally came in at 600 yards and would open fire on your B-17. And your closing speed was still high and since you had to break away at 200 meters to avoid a collision, you only had two seconds firing time. Now, in two seconds, you can't sight. You can fire randomly and hope for the best."
+The MK 108 began seeing usage in late autumn 1943 on [[Bf 109 G-6|Bf 109 G]] fighters and Bf 110 heavy fighters. Its distinctive firing noise, due to the high rate of fire and heavy muzzle report, caused Allied aircraft crew to nickname the MK 108 as the "Pneumatic Hammer." The MK 108 were soon mounted on a large variety of German aircraft, even their jets. The jet mounts, such as on the [[Me 262 A-1a|Me 262]], proved problematic as their fast speed gave the jets only a small sliver of time from approaching the target to having to disengage to avoid colliding. British test pilot Eric Brown describes the MK 108-armed Me 262 attack pattern as: "if you want to fight and destroy a B-17, you come in on a dive. The 30 mm cannon were not so accurate beyond 600 m. So you normally came in at 600 yards and would open fire on your B-17. And your closing speed was still high and since you had to break away at 200 m to avoid a collision, you only had two seconds firing time. Now, in two seconds, you can't sight. You can fire randomly and hope for the best."
 == Media ==
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 <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
-* [http://www.aviation-history.com/guns/mk108.htm [Aviation History Online Museum<nowiki>]</nowiki> Mk 108 Cannon]
-* [http://www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/tech_mk108.htm [Storm Birds<nowiki>]</nowiki> Rheinmetall Borsig Mk108]
+* [http://www.aviation-history.com/guns/mk108.htm <nowiki>[Aviation History Online Museum]</nowiki> Mk 108 Cannon]
 {{Germany aircraft cannons}}

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 {{Navigation-First-Line|}}<small>* Equipable as gunpods, or nose-mounted with a researchable modification</small>
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 === Available ammunition ===
-<!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the cannon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
+<!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
-* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
+* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer (minengeschoß)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
-* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
+* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer (minengeschoß)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer (minengeschoß)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer (minengeschoß)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I*|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary (self-destroying)}}
-* '''Night:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
+* '''Night:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer (minengeschoß, night tracer)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer (minengeschoß, night tracer)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T|High-explosive incendiary tracer (minengeschoß, night tracer)}}
-* '''Stealth:''' {{Annotation|HEI|High-explosive incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI|High-explosive incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI|High-explosive incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|I|Incendiary}}
+* '''Stealth:''' {{Annotation|HEI|High-explosive incendiary (minengeschoß)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI|High-explosive incendiary (minengeschoß)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI|High-explosive incendiary (minengeschoß)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI|High-explosive incendiary (minengeschoß)}}
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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| Default || 13 || 12 || 7 || 6 || 6 || 6
+| Default || 6 || 6 || 6 || 6 || 6 || 6
 |-
-| Universal || 13 || 12 || 7 || 6 || 6 || 6
+| Universal || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4
 |-
-| Night || 13 || 12 || 7 || 6 || 6 || 6
+| Night || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4
 |-
-| Stealth || 13 || 12 || 7 || 6 || 6 || 6
+| Stealth || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 4
 |-
 |}

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 === Available ammunition ===
-''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''
+<!--''Describe the shells that are available for the cannon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''-->
 === Comparison with analogues ===

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