MAC 1934 (7.5 mm) - Revision history

U22067555: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */ Added Loire 130C

2023-09-25T03:43:44Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon: Added Loire 130C

U44629479: Edits

2022-10-28T23:04:53Z

Edits

U83153598: fixed all RPM-related factual errors and added a comparison in the usage in battles segment, making the tactic more clear to the reader.

2022-10-25T10:44:56Z

fixed all RPM-related factual errors and added a comparison in the usage in battles segment, making the tactic more clear to the reader.

U83153598: more RPM errors even

2022-10-25T09:39:00Z

more RPM errors even

U83153598: yet another RPM error fixed

2022-10-25T09:37:08Z

yet another RPM error fixed

U83153598: more fixing of errors related to RPM, this time the underestimating of the Browning's RPM by 400.

2022-10-25T09:34:29Z

more fixing of errors related to RPM, this time the underestimating of the Browning's RPM by 400.

U83153598: fixed some factual errors regarding the fire rate, which in this article is often mentioned being 1450 RPM, 100 above the actual RPM in-game.

2022-10-25T09:30:14Z

fixed some factual errors regarding the fire rate, which in this article is often mentioned being 1450 RPM, 100 above the actual RPM in-game.

U28580205: Please do not copy-paste information from Wikipedia; Readded section description as comments

2022-09-30T03:04:30Z

Please do not copy-paste information from Wikipedia; Readded section description as comments

U83153598: /* General info */

2022-09-29T19:13:57Z

‎General info

U83153598: /* Usage in battles */

2022-09-29T19:12:22Z

‎Usage in battles

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 == General info ==
 <!-- Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun. -->
-As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,350 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.
+As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,350 rounds per minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.
 === Available ammunition ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!--''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''-->
-The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed. Overheating (and with that jamming) is however nowhere near as quick as on the ShKAS, which makes the high fire rate very sustainable.
+The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed. Overheating (and the ensuing jamming) is however nowhere near as quick as on the ShKAS, which makes the high rate of fire very sustainable.
 The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Very high fire rate at 1,350 rounds per minute
+* Very high rate of fire
 * Incredibly high ammunition capacity
 * Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,450 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.
+The MAC 1934 is the main machine gun used on French WW2-era aircraft, and the machine gun example of quantity over quality. The stopping power of a single bullet is lower than even most other rifle-caliber machine guns, however it makes up for that by having a shredding fire rate of 1,350 RPM and being equipped with large amounts of ammo. The gun is mostly mounted in 2 pairs, making the planes fitted with it a force to be reckoned with in the skies.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 == General info ==
 <!-- Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun. -->
-As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,450 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.
+As mentioned previously, the MAC gun comes up very short regarding raw per-bullet damage, even compared to other rifle calibre machine guns. This is primarily due to its small cartridge of 7.5 mm, slightly smaller than the tier's common 7.62, 7.7, 7.92 and 8 mm rounds of other nations. While this difference may seem minor and trivial to some, it's big enough to create a very noticeable deficiency in short bursts. However, what the MAC lacks in stopping power, it makes up for in its good accuracy, solid muzzle velocity, and blistering rate of fire of 1,350 rounds-per-minute. Although players are often gifted with a very large ammunition capacity, they may find themselves running dry quicker than expected due to this fire rate, requiring an emphasis on accuracy in sustained bursts in order to make the most out of the guns.
 === Available ammunition ===
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 ! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
 |-
-| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
+| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,000 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
 |-
 | ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
 |-
-| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,100 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
+| ▄ || [[Darne 1933 (7.5 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1916 || 8.4 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,350 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS
 | style="text-align:center;" | Belt
 |-
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 | ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
 |-
-| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,450 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
+| ▄ || '''MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)''' || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.7 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,350 RPM || 7.5 x 54 mm MAS || style="text-align:center;" | Belt/Magazine
 |}
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!--''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''-->
-The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.
+The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to destroy enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed. Overheating (and with that jamming) is however nowhere near as quick as on the ShKAS, which makes the high fire rate very sustainable.
 The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Fast firing rifle-caliber gun of its era
+* Very high fire rate at 1,350 rounds per minute
 * Incredibly high ammunition capacity
 * Very solid terminal ballistics; solid accuracy and muzzle velocity

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 | style="text-align:center;" | Belt
 |-
-| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,150 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
+| ▀ || [[MG 17 (7.92 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1934 || 10.2 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,200 RPM || 7.92 x 57 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
 |-
 | ▂ || [[ShKAS (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 10.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,800 RPM || 7.62 x 54 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Belt

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 ! Name !! Year of Creation !! Mass !! Rounds Per Minute !! Ammunition !! {{Annotation|Feed Type|Belt-, drum- or magazine-fed weapon}}
 |-
-| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 1,000 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
+| ▃ || [[Browning (7.62 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1919 || 14 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.62 x 63 mm || style="text-align:center;" | Belt
 |-
 | ▅ || [[Type 92 navy (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1932 || 8 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 600 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R || style="text-align:center;" | Drum
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 | style="text-align:center;" | Belt
 |-
-| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 850 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
+| ▄ || [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] || style="text-align:center;" | 1935 || 12.5 kg || style="text-align:center;" | 900 RPM || 7.7 x 56 mm R
 | style="text-align:center;" | Belt
 |-

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 === Available ammunition ===
 * '''Default:''' T · Ball · Ball · Ball · I · AP
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 == Usage in battles ==
-The MAC 1934 fares well in the early BRs. As a fast-firing machine gun, on fighters always mounted in 2 pairs, it has a damage output that slightly exceeds most other guns at its BR (a notable exception being the Italian Breda SAFAT 12.7mm). The fire rate enables it to kill enemies in medium bursts of fire, assuming most bullets hit the target. The relatively quick overheating requires the pilot to have some restraint, as nearing the overheating limit jams out some of the guns. This will not completely take your firepower out, but it will be severely limited when 2 or more guns get jammed.
+<!--''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.''-->
 The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.
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 == History ==
-In 1934, the Manufacture d'Armes de Châtellerault (Châtellerault weapons manufacturing company, often shortened to MAC) completed the development of the MAC 1934 machine gun to replace the Darne mod. 1933 machine gun aboard aircraft of the Armée de l'Air. Essentially a faster-firing variant of the mitrailleuse mle 1931, and using the same 7.5 mm MAS ammunition, the MAC 34 worked by gas operation and was fed from drum magazines. Because it used an open bolt action, the MAC 34 could not be fitted with synchronization gear, and was more expensive to manufacture than comparable weapons; but it was compact and had excellent reliability. Originally the Armée de l'Air favoured magazine-fed weapons, but it eventually accepted that the feeding system of the MAC 34 would require too frequent reloading for dorsal gunners, and was impractical for wing mountings, so it required the development of a belt-fed variant. The resulting weapon was introduced in 1939, and designated as MAC 1934 M39.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_1934</ref>
+''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
 == Media ==
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 [[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

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 The fights against bombers and fighters with this gun usually require different strategies. Bombers usually take a long time to take down through brute destruction (especially considering they may return fire from rear-turrets), however taking out the crew is rather easy if you get the right angle. Against fighters you will rarely rip off a wing, but in this case the ignition of engines and again the pilot are the best target to go for. Hitting these parts is quite effective, and medium bursts with short intervals will usually only improve the ability to take down single-engine planes.
-A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low (especially on the earlier users of this MG) is pretty limited due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.
+A pilot using the MAC will however need to consider that the ammo, although not low is pretty limited (especially on the earlier users of this MG) due to its fire rate, and - although not as bad as the early nose-mounted Hispano 404 - will require some tactical knowledge regarding ammo expenditure. The reload time is pretty quick however, so in Arcade Battles reloading between fights is recommended.
 Though not blessed with the Air-targets belt of the .50-cals, the MAC still has some valuable belts, with the Stealth and Tracer belts performing quite well.