M8A1 GMC - Revision history

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-Sometime in 1943, a project was underway to investigate how far can light tank firepower be improved. This culminated with the installation of a 75 mm gun from the M4 Sherman into the [[M8 Scott|75 mm HMC M8]], which originally held a howitzer for infantry support. The modification proved successful, to the extent that both Armored Board and the Tank Destroyer Branch requested the conversion for evaluations. The modified M8, considered as the ''75 mm GMC M8'' or the '''"M8A1"''' in the evaluations, was determined to be a sufficient modification, carrying and firing the gun without detriment to the vehicle, with the downsides being the expedient nature of the modification, small ammo stowage, and crew discomfort due to the smaller internal space. While Armored Board had no interest in procuring the vehicle, the Tank Destroyer Branch found the M8 GMC as suitable as an expedient design prior to the fielding of their newest [[M18 GMC|M18 Hellcat]] tank destroyer, but this ultimately went nowhere when it was determined that the M8A1 could not be produced any sooner than the projected M18, and so the vehicle project was ended by June 1943.
+Sometime in 1943, a project was underway to investigate how far light tank firepower could be improved. This culminated with the installation of a 75 mm gun from the M4 Sherman into the [[M8 Scott|75 mm HMC M8]], which originally held a howitzer for infantry support. The modification proved successful, to the extent that both Armored Board and the Tank Destroyer Branch requested the conversion for evaluations. The modified M8, considered as the ''75 mm GMC M8'' or the '''"M8A1"''' in the evaluations, was determined to be a sufficient modification, carrying and firing the gun without detriment to the vehicle, with the downsides being the expedient nature of the modification, small ammo stowage, and crew discomfort due to the smaller internal space. While Armored Board had no interest in procuring the vehicle, the Tank Destroyer Branch found the M8 GMC suitable as an expedient design prior to the fielding of their newest [[M18 GMC|M18 Hellcat]] tank destroyer, but this ultimately went nowhere when it was determined that the M8A1 could not be produced any sooner than the projected M18, and so the vehicle project was ended by June 1943.
-Introduced in [[Update 1.45 "Steel Generals"]], the M8A1 is a Stuart light tank package with a medium tank firepower not too unlike the [[M24|M24 Chaffee]]. Although its armour and crew survivability is poor, the emphasis to firepower and mobility allows players to use it as a light tank destroyer to flank and destroy enemy tanks with its firepower. Though the open-top design makes the vehicle vulnerable to aircraft strafing, a M2 machine gun is available to try and fight back against enemies, hopefully warding them off enough to avoid outright destroying the M8A1.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.45 "Steel Generals"]], the M8A1 is a Stuart light tank package with a medium tank firepower not too unlike the [[M24|M24 Chaffee]]. Although its armour and crew survivability is poor, the emphasis on firepower and mobility allows players to use it as a light tank destroyer to flank and destroy enemy tanks with its firepower. Though the open-top design makes the vehicle vulnerable to aircraft strafing, a M2 machine gun is available to try and fight back against enemies, hopefully warding them off enough to avoid outright destroying the M8A1.
 The M8A1 is one of the rarer American vehicles to acquire, being made available in a Winter 2014 event as an unlockable gift in the [[wt:en/news/2736-holiday-war-thunder-marathon-en|"War Thunder Christmas Special"]]. After that, the M8A1 became available again as a Warbond shop reward as part of [[wt:en/news/4312-shop-how-can-you-get-premium-vehicles-warbonds-en/|War Thunder's 4th anniversary]].
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 This vehicle plays along with the American concept of the tank destroyers, fast and powerful, but lacking in armour. Using the terrain for cover is necessary to survive against the enemy shells, plus constant repositioning is needed to keep the enemy guessing where the M8A1 is located. However, if able to get the jump on the enemy, the 75 mm gun on this vehicle can destroy the vehicles at its rank and the addition of the .50 cal M2 Browning on top aids its versatility against lightly armoured vehicle and aircraft.
 The main tactic for this vehicle is ''Shoot and Scoot'', constant repositioning after every shot as the armour on the M8A1 is rather thin for its battle rating. If hiding behind a rock, pop up from one side then the other rather than just from one side to force the enemy to spend milliseconds reacquiring the M8A1 in their sights, milliseconds that can put the favour of the battle to the M8A1. This involves many trick and will take some time to learn, but once learned, the M8A1 will be a huge assist to the team. Be careful to not get greedy and trigger-happy, the exposure trying to get a target may result in a loss, so play conservatively and know full well when that sometimes there will only be assist and move on. An M8A1 that is used properly is such a powerful tool that it can single handily swing the game. That being said one unlucky second and it is a pile of charred metal, due to the huge amount of ammo crammed into such a small area.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 == Description ==
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-An upgunned [[M8 Scott]] armed with [[M3 (75 mm)|75 mm M3]] gun, the M8A1 is a light tank destroyer capable of flanking & destroying enemy tanks at the same time with its outstanding mobility.
+Sometime in 1943, a project was underway to investigate how far can light tank firepower be improved. This culminated with the installation of a 75 mm gun from the M4 Sherman into the [[M8 Scott|75 mm HMC M8]], which originally held a howitzer for infantry support. The modification proved successful, to the extent that both Armored Board and the Tank Destroyer Branch requested the conversion for evaluations. The modified M8, considered as the ''75 mm GMC M8'' or the '''"M8A1"''' in the evaluations, was determined to be a sufficient modification, carrying and firing the gun without detriment to the vehicle, with the downsides being the expedient nature of the modification, small ammo stowage, and crew discomfort due to the smaller internal space. While Armored Board had no interest in procuring the vehicle, the Tank Destroyer Branch found the M8 GMC as suitable as an expedient design prior to the fielding of their newest [[M18 GMC|M18 Hellcat]] tank destroyer, but this ultimately went nowhere when it was determined that the M8A1 could not be produced any sooner than the projected M18, and so the vehicle project was ended by June 1943.
 == General info ==

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 * [[wikipedia:Howitzer_Motor_Carriage_M8|[Wikipedia] Howitzer Motor Carriage M8]]
-* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M8_Scott.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> H.M.C. M8 "Scott"]
+* [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/75-mm-gun-m3-on-howitzer-motor-carriage-m8-chassis/ <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> 75 mm Gun M3 on 75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8 Chassis]
 {{TankManufacturer Ordnance Department}}

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:M3 (75 mm)/Ammunition|M72 shot, M48 shell, M61 shot, M89}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|1yg1DAEbG8A|'''The Stuart Family''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 5:01 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|xF4-TcnyWw0|'''Best tank destroyers''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:24 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|6Ylny9Yy68k|'''{{PAGENAME}}- Fast and furious''' - ''Oxy''|alS7dmN1Y_Y|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|1yg1DAEbG8A|'''The Stuart Family''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 5:01 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|xF4-TcnyWw0|'''Best tank destroyers''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:24 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|6Ylny9Yy68k|'''{{PAGENAME}}- Fast and furious''' - ''Oxy''}}
 == See also ==

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 This vehicle plays along with the American concept of the tank destroyers, fast and powerful, but lacking in armour. Using the terrain for cover is necessary to survive against the enemy shells, plus constant repositioning is needed to keep the enemy guessing where the M8A1 is located. However, if able to get the jump on the enemy, the 75 mm gun on this vehicle can destroy the vehicles at its rank and the addition of the .50 cal M2 Browning on top aids its versatility against lightly armoured vehicle and aircraft.
-The main tactic for this vehicle is ''Shoot and Scoot'', constant repositioning after every shot as the armour on the M8A1 is rather thin for its battle rating. If hiding behind a rock, pop up from one side then the other rather than just from one side to force the enemy to spend milliseconds reacquiring the M8A1 in their sights, milliseconds that can put the favour of the battle to the M8A1. This involves many trick and will take some time to learn, but once learned, the M8A1 will be a huge assist to the team. Be careful to not get greedy and trigger-happy, the exposure trying to get a target may result in a loss, so play conservatively and know full well when that sometimes there will only be assist and move on. An M8A1 that is used properly is such a powerful tool that it can single handily swing the game. That being said one unlucky second and it is a pile of charred metal, due to the huge amount of ammo crammed into such a small area
+The main tactic for this vehicle is ''Shoot and Scoot'', constant repositioning after every shot as the armour on the M8A1 is rather thin for its battle rating. If hiding behind a rock, pop up from one side then the other rather than just from one side to force the enemy to spend milliseconds reacquiring the M8A1 in their sights, milliseconds that can put the favour of the battle to the M8A1. This involves many trick and will take some time to learn, but once learned, the M8A1 will be a huge assist to the team. Be careful to not get greedy and trigger-happy, the exposure trying to get a target may result in a loss, so play conservatively and know full well when that sometimes there will only be assist and move on. An M8A1 that is used properly is such a powerful tool that it can single handily swing the game. That being said one unlucky second and it is a pile of charred metal, due to the huge amount of ammo crammed into such a small area.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=us_m8a1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[M8 General Scott (Family)]]

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+|usage-1 = other vehicles of the family
-|link-1 = M8 (Disambiguation)
+|link-1 = M8 General Scott (Family)
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Deadly firepower at its BR, penetrating the toughest tanks with ease, such as the [[B1 ter|B1]], [[Matilda Mk II|Matilda]] or even the early [[KV-1 (Family)|KV-1]] in an uptier. Other tanks like the [[T-80]] will easily get one-shot.
+* Deadly firepower at its BR, penetrating the toughest tanks with ease, such as the [[B1 bis|B1]], [[Matilda Mk II|Matilda]] or even the early [[KV-1 (Family)|KV-1]] in an uptier. Other tanks like the [[T-80]] will easily get one-shot.
-* Great gun depression of -10 degrees allows hull-down shots on hills
+* Great gun depression allows hull-down shots on hills
-* Multirole capacity (tank destroyer / light tank) allows flexible and fun gameplay
+* Multirole capacity (tank destroyer/light tank) allows flexible and fun gameplay
-* Rapid rate of fire at 8.95 RPM (6.7 s reload time)
+* Great mobility: reaches top speed relatively fast, and it doesn't lose speed drastically upon turning, allowing it to perform flanking manoeuvres easily.
-* Great mobility: reaches top speed (56 km/h) relatively fast, and it doesn't lose speed drastically upon turning, allowing it to perform flanking manoeuvres easily.
+* .50 cal machine gun can eliminate low flying aircraft & soft targets such as [[BT-7]], [[Marder III]], [[SU-76M]]. Also its low profile makes it easier to hide.
 * No ammunition is stored inside the turret, decreasing the chance of ammo detonation which increases survivability
 * Commonly misidentified as short-gunned M8 Scott
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 * Gun breech is often damaged when turret is penetrated, making it defenceless
 * Prone to drifting when cornering at high speeds
-* Rather slow turret traverse (around 11 deg/s) requires good reaction for the player
+* Rather slow turret traverse speed (around 11 deg/s)
-* Open topped turret (which exposes the crew & ammo rack) can be barraged by artillery & airstrikes
+* Open-topped turret (exposing the crew & ammo rack) makes it vulnerable to artillery strikes and air attacks
-* Although the gun is powerful, it still struggles to frontally penetrate the [[StuH 42 G]] especially with add-on tracks, while the StuH usually one-shots the M8
+* Although the gun is powerful, it still struggles to frontally penetrate the [[StuH 42 G]] especially with add-on tracks, while the StuH usually knocks out the M8 with a single shot
 * All of its ammunition are stacked in every corner inside center compartment, single explosion in the middle of the hull can explode the ammo racks.
 == History ==
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 ===Development===
-In United State's entry into World War II, the troops in the front lines require a support vehicle similar to those in use by the German forces in the form of the [[StuG III A|StuG III]]. The project for such vehicle began as a design submitted in late 1941, which was a [[M5A1|M5 Light Tank]] mated with a howitzer on the hull front, designated the ''T41''. This design didn't pass as the howitzer on the hull sacrificed crew protection. The design was revised on the same M5 light tank and instead had the M5 turret removed and replaced with an open-topped turret similar to the US tank destroyers [[M10 GMC|M10]] and [[M18 GMC|M18]], which mounted a 75 mm howitzer. This change caused the hatches for the driver and assistant driver to be placed on the glacis front rather than the hull roof. This design, called the ''T17E1 HMC'' was approved and put into production under the designation ''75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8'', or the [[M8 Scott]]. The 75 mm M2 howitzer was the initial armament of the M8 before switching to the updated 75 mm M3 howitzer on the [[M8A1|M8A1]] variant. The howitzer was capbale of firing [[Smoke screen|smoke]] M89 or high-explosive M48 rounds, the vehicle could hold 46 of these 75 mm rounds. The M8 does not have any machine guns on the coaxial or hull-mounted area, but a .50 cal Browning was mounted on the rear right corner of the turret for infantry defense. The vehicle was put into production in April 1942 and continued until January 1944, of which a total of 1,778 units were produced by Cadillac only.
+In United State's entry into World War II, the troops in the front lines require a support vehicle similar to those in use by the German forces in the form of the [[StuG III A|StuG III]]. The project for such vehicle began as a design submitted in late 1941, which was a [[M5A1|M5 Light Tank]] mated with a howitzer on the hull front, designated the ''T41''. This design didn't pass as the howitzer on the hull sacrificed crew protection. The design was revised on the same M5 light tank and instead had the M5 turret removed and replaced with an open-topped turret similar to the US tank destroyers [[M10 GMC]] and [[M18 GMC]], which mounted a 75 mm howitzer. This change caused the hatches for the driver and assistant driver to be placed on the glacis front rather than the hull roof. This design, called the ''T17E1 HMC'' was approved and put into production under the designation ''75 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8'', or the [[M8 Scott]]. The 75 mm M2 howitzer was the initial armament of the M8 before switching to the updated 75 mm M3 howitzer on the [[M8A1|M8A1]] variant. The howitzer was capable of firing [[Smoke screen|smoke]] M89 or high-explosive M48 rounds, the vehicle could hold 46 of these 75 mm rounds. The M8 does not have any machine guns on the coaxial or hull-mounted area, but a .50 cal Browning was mounted on the rear right corner of the turret for infantry defense. The vehicle was put into production in April 1942 and continued until January 1944, of which a total of 1,778 units were produced by Cadillac only.
 ===Combat usage===
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=usa&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=light_tank&vehicle=us_m8a1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=us_m8a1 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[M8 General Scott (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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-{{tankMobility|abMinHp=420|rbMinHp=262}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=459|rbMinHp=262}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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+! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
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 This vehicle plays along with the American concept of the tank destroyers, fast and powerful, but lacking in armour. Using the terrain for cover is necessary to survive against the enemy shells, plus constant repositioning is needed to keep the enemy guessing where the M8A1 is located. However, if able to get the jump on the enemy, the 75 mm gun on this vehicle can destroy the vehicles at its rank and the addition of the .50 cal M2 Browning on top aids its versatility against lightly armoured vehicle and aircraft.
-The main tactic for this vehicle is ''Shoot and Scoot'', constant repositioning after every shot as the armour on the M8A1 is rather thin for its battle rating. If hiding behind a rock, pop up from one side then the other rather than just from one side to force the enemy to spend milliseconds reacquiring the M8A1 in their sights, milliseconds that can put the favor of the battle to the M8A1. This involves many trick and will take some time to learn, but once learned, the M8A1 will be a huge assist to the team. Be careful to not get greedy and trigger-happy, the exposure trying to get a target may result in a loss, so play conservatively and know full well when that sometimes there will only be assist and move on. An M8A1 that is used properly is such a powerful tool that it can single handily swing the game. That being said one unlucky second and it is a pile of charred metal, due to the huge amount of ammo crammed into such a small area
+The main tactic for this vehicle is ''Shoot and Scoot'', constant repositioning after every shot as the armour on the M8A1 is rather thin for its battle rating. If hiding behind a rock, pop up from one side then the other rather than just from one side to force the enemy to spend milliseconds reacquiring the M8A1 in their sights, milliseconds that can put the favour of the battle to the M8A1. This involves many trick and will take some time to learn, but once learned, the M8A1 will be a huge assist to the team. Be careful to not get greedy and trigger-happy, the exposure trying to get a target may result in a loss, so play conservatively and know full well when that sometimes there will only be assist and move on. An M8A1 that is used properly is such a powerful tool that it can single handily swing the game. That being said one unlucky second and it is a pile of charred metal, due to the huge amount of ammo crammed into such a small area
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Multirole capacity (tank destroyer / light tank) allows flexible and fun gameplay
 * Rapid rate of fire at 8.95 RPM (6.7 s reload time)
-* Great mobility: reaches top speed (56 km/h) relatively fast, and it doesn't lose speed drastically upon turning, allowing it to perform flanking maneuvers easily.
+* Great mobility: reaches top speed (56 km/h) relatively fast, and it doesn't lose speed drastically upon turning, allowing it to perform flanking manoeuvres easily.
 * .50 cal machine gun can eliminate low flying aircraft & soft targets such as [[BT-7|BT-7]], [[Marder III|Marder]] III, [[SU-76M|SU-76]]. Also its low profile makes it easier to hide.
 * No ammunition is stored inside the turret, decreasing the chance of ammo detonation which increases survivability
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Thin armor plus the cramped crew gives it poor survivability. Can get destroyed easily by vehicles like [[ZiS-30]], [[SU-76M|SU-76]], [[StuG III A]]
+* Thin armour plus the cramped crew gives it poor survivability. Can get destroyed easily by vehicles like [[ZiS-30]], [[SU-76M|SU-76]], [[StuG III A]]
 * Gun breech is often damaged when turret is penetrated, making it defenceless
-* Slippy manoeuvrability. Prone to drifting
+* Prone to drifting when cornering at high speeds
 * Rather slow turret traverse (around 11 deg/s) requires good reaction for the player
 * Open topped turret (which exposes the crew & ammo rack) can be barraged by artillery & airstrikes
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 * [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/M8_Scott.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> H.M.C. M8 "Scott"]
 {{USA light tanks}}
 {{USA premium ground vehicles}}
 {{Winter Event}}

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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 46 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+30° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 10.57 || 14.63 || 17.76 || 19.64 || 20.89 || rowspan="2" | 8.71 || rowspan="2" | 7.70 || rowspan="2" | 7.10 || rowspan="2" | 6.70
+| rowspan="2" | 46 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+30° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 11.4 || 15.8 || 19.2 || 21.2 || 22.6 || rowspan="2" | 8.71 || rowspan="2" | 7.70 || rowspan="2" | 7.10 || rowspan="2" | 6.70
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| 7.14 || 8.40 || 10.20 || 11.28 || 12.00
+| 7.1 || 8.4 || 10.2 || 11.3 || 12.0
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 | M72 shot || AP || 619 || 6.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
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-| M48 shell || HE || 463 || 6.3 || 0.4 || 0.5 || 666 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| M48 shell || HE || 463 || 6.3 || 0 || 0.1 || 666 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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 | M61 shot || APCBC || 618 || 6.79 || 1.2 || 14 || 63.7 || 48° || 63° || 71°