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 ;Related development
-* [[M47 (Family)]]
+* [[Patton (Disambiguation)]]
 == External links ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was sent by the US to Japan for trials to evaluate its potential as the JGSDF was looking for a new medium tank design. But due to the Japanese order being backlogged because of the German order of M47s, the Japanese started development on their own tank beginning with [[Type 61 (Family)|ST-A series towards the Type 61 MBT]]. Somewhere halfway through the development, an American M47 could finally be acquired and was compared to the progress the Japanese already had, and it was decided that the Japanese maintained course in developing their own tank instead of ordering more of the M47.
-The Japanese M47 was introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]]. Offering the exact same vehicle as the American counterpart, it gives Japanese tankers a glance at what more reliable armour can do, which at the battle range the M47 sits is pretty negatable due to APDS(FS) and HEAT(FS) being common sight here. The best course of action is to use this tank as any other Japanese medium tank, enforcing the powerful cannon while playing safe with the vehicle itself, treating it more like a glass cannon such as the previous [[Type 61 (Family)|Type 61 & ST-As]] before it.
+The Japanese M47 was introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]]. Offering the exact same vehicle as the American counterpart, it gives Japanese tankers a glance at what more reliable armour can do, which at the battle range the M47 sits is pretty negatable due to APDS(FS) and HEAT(FS) being common sight here. The best course of action is to use this tank as any other Japanese medium tank, making good use of the powerful cannon while playing safe with the vehicle itself, treating it more like a glass cannon such as the previous [[Type 61 (Family)|Type 61 & ST-As]] before it.
 == General info ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was sent by the US to Japan for trials to evaluate its potential as the JGSDF was looking for a new medium tank design. But due to the Japanese order being backlogged because of the German order of M47s, the Japanese started development on their own tank beginning with [[Type 61 (Family)|ST-A series towards the Type 61 MBT]]. Somewhere halfway through the development, an American M47 could finally be acquired and was compared to the progress the Japanese already had, and it was decided that the Japanese maintained course in developing their own tank instead of ordering more of the M47.
-The Japanese M47 was introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]]. Offering the exact same vehicle as the American counterpart, it gives Japanese tankers a glance at what more reliable armour can do, which at the battle range the M47 sits is pretty negatable due to APDS(FS) and HEAT(FS) being common sight here. The best course of action is to use this tank as any other Japanese medium tank, enforcing the powerful cannon while playing safe with the vehicle itself, treating it more like a glass cannon such as the previous [[Type 61 (Family)|Type 61 & ST-A's]] before it.
+The Japanese M47 was introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]]. Offering the exact same vehicle as the American counterpart, it gives Japanese tankers a glance at what more reliable armour can do, which at the battle range the M47 sits is pretty negatable due to APDS(FS) and HEAT(FS) being common sight here. The best course of action is to use this tank as any other Japanese medium tank, enforcing the powerful cannon while playing safe with the vehicle itself, treating it more like a glass cannon such as the previous [[Type 61 (Family)|Type 61 & ST-As]] before it.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was sent by the US to Japan for trials to evaluate its potential as the JGSDF was looking for a new medium tank design. But due to the Japanese order being backlogged because of the German order of M47s, the Japanese started development on their own tank beginning with [[Type 61 (Family)|ST-A series towards the Type 61 MBT]]. Somewhere halfway through the development, an American M47 could finally be acquired and was compared to the progress the Japanese already had, and it was decided that the Japanese maintained course in developing their own tank instead of ordering more of the M47.
-An M47 was sent by the US to Japan for trials to evaluate its potentials as the JGSDF was looking for a new medium tank design. The Japanese instead adopted the [[Type 61 (Family)|Type 61]], which took design inspiration from the Patton.
+The Japanese M47 was introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]]. Offering the exact same vehicle as the American counterpart, it gives Japanese tankers a glance at what more reliable armour can do, which at the battle range the M47 sits is pretty negatable due to APDS(FS) and HEAT(FS) being common sight here. The best course of action is to use this tank as any other Japanese medium tank, enforcing the powerful cannon while playing safe with the vehicle itself, treating it more like a glass cannon such as the previous [[Type 61 (Family)|Type 61 & ST-A's]] before it.
 == General info ==

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:M36 (90 mm)/Ammunition|M318A1 shot, M82 shot, M304 shot, M332 shot, M431 shell, M71A1 shell, M313}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 == Media ==
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-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==
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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-;Other M47s
+;Related development
-* [[M47]]
+* [[M47 (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 {{Main|M47 (Family)|Type 61 (Family)}}
-Japan started redeveloping its military in the form of the JSDF (Japanese Self Defence Forces). Previously issued with surplus WWII-era American vehicles like [[M4A3 (76) W (Japan)|M4A3 Shermans]], [[M24 (Japan)|M24 Chaffees]], M15A1 CGMCs and other equipment, the JGSDF (Japanese Ground Self Defence Forces) would want to gain a step up in tank development as the communist threat in Korea loomed close to the Japanese homeland. The JGSDF would attempt to get their hands on a new American medium tank that would become a staple of the Cold War, the M47 'Patton II'. Unfortunately for the Japanese, the American assembly lines for the tank were already backlogged with various other foreign orders, primarily from West Germany.
+[[File:M47 Japanese Inspection.png|thumb|A 'Japanese' M47 under inspection]]
 Due to the situation, the JGSDF started working on the prototype [[Type 61 (Family)|STA]] medium tank series which eventually culminated in the [[Type 61]] MBT. During development, a single [[M47|M47 'Patton II']] was eventually sent to Japan for comparison to the domestic ST-A models. It isn't properly documented when this vehicle arrived in Japan but it has been speculated to have done so sometime in-between the completion of the [[ST-A1]]/[[ST-A2|2]] (1957) and the development of the [[ST-A3]]/4 (1960). After Japan was done with prototyping and adopting the Type 61, the M47 lost its purpose in the JGSDF and was sent to be scrapped.

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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Coaxial || 1,700 (200) || 577 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 1,800 (200) || 577 || N/A || N/A
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-| Pintle || 550 (200) || 577 || -10°/+30° || ±180°
+| Pintle || 600 (200) || 577 || -10°/+30° || ±180°
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 The M47 is often considered a "glass cannon". With a powerful gun but poor armour, it is recommended to play this vehicle carefully and conservatively. As such, it is often beneficial to use an ambush or flanking-based playstyle. Attacking enemies from soft or hard cover without being seen can maximize this tank's capabilities.
 Tankers that have experience with the [[ST-A1]], [[ST-A2]] and to the same degree the [[Type 61]] and [[ST-A3]] will already be familiar with this vehicle's playstyle. The armour might be somewhat stronger than the previously mentioned vehicles but for the difference in BR and rank between them, it's about as effective against the tanks it will encounter at its BR.
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 {{Main|M47 (Family)|Type 61 (Family)}}
 Japan started redeveloping its military in the form of the JSDF (Japanese Self Defence Forces). Previously issued with surplus WWII-era American vehicles like [[M4A3 (76) W (Japan)|M4A3 Shermans]], [[M24 (Japan)|M24 Chaffees]], M15A1 CGMCs and other equipment, the JGSDF (Japanese Ground Self Defence Forces) would want to gain a step up in tank development as the communist threat in Korea loomed close to the Japanese homeland. The JGSDF would attempt to get their hands on a new American medium tank that would become a staple of the Cold War, the M47 'Patton II'. Unfortunately for the Japanese, the American assembly lines for the tank were already backlogged with various other foreign orders, primarily from West Germany.
 Due to the situation, the JGSDF started working on the prototype [[Type 61 (Family)|STA]] medium tank series which eventually culminated in the [[Type 61]] MBT. During development, a single [[M47|M47 'Patton II']] was eventually sent to Japan for comparison to the domestic ST-A models. It isn't properly documented when this vehicle arrived in Japan but it has been speculated to have done so sometime in-between the completion of the [[ST-A1]]/[[ST-A2|2]] (1957) and the development of the [[ST-A3]]/4 (1960). After Japan was done with prototyping and adopting the Type 61, the M47 lost its purpose in the JGSDF and was sent to be scrapped.
 Remarkably, however, it was purchased by a private collector and the tank was saved before it could be destroyed. While they may not have been the original collector as said person or organization was never specified, the M47 ended up in the private collection of Nakata Shoten Shop. Located in one of their warehouses in the Tokyo Metropolis, the "Patton II" resides alongside several other vehicles used as evaluation and service vehicles in the JSDF: an M37 HMC, an [[M36 GMC]], an [[M41A1 (Japan)|M41A1]], and an M59 APC.
 While it's likely that the other vehicles were also deactivated due to Japanese civilian weapon control laws, the M47 in Tokyo is known to have been modified in ways that prevent it from being able to move or fire. Some of the changes include the breech being cut, the transmission and engine being removed, and multiple 10 centimetre-wide holes being drilled into the floor.
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 * ''other literature.'' -->
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 * [https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/eeue4y/the_japanese_m47/ Reddit post on M47]
 {{TankManufacturer Ordnance Department}}
 {{Japan medium tanks}}

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-{{tankMobility|abMinHp= 1255|rbMinHp= 716}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=1,255|rbMinHp=716}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Coaxial || 2,200 (200) || 577 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 1,700 (200) || 577 || N/A || N/A
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-| Pintle || 1,000 (200) || 577 || -10°/+30° || ±180°
+| Pintle || 550 (200) || 577 || -10°/+30° || ±180°
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 Tankers that have experience with the [[ST-A1]], [[ST-A2]] and to the same degree the [[Type 61]] and [[ST-A3]] will already be familiar with this vehicle's playstyle. The armour might be somewhat stronger than the previously mentioned vehicles but for the difference in BR and rank between them, it's about as effective against the tanks it will encounter at its BR.
-The stock M318A1 APBC shell is relatively weak compared to shells used by other vehicles. While working towards the improved M431 HEATFS shell, it is advisable to shoot at enemies' tracks and gun barrels if the main hull is too armored for the APBC shell to penetrate. Doing so will help to incapacitate your enemies and allow your better-armed teammates to destroy them. Additionally, the M47 shouldn't have trouble dealing with soft targets. With two .50 cal [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|M2HB]] machine guns in addition to the [[M36 (90 mm)|90 mm M36]] main cannon, [[:Category:Light tanks|Light Tanks]] and Armoured Cars can be dispatched with ease. (On a side note, these machine guns can be used to spot enemy targets, alerting your team to their presence.)
+The stock M318A1 APBC shell is relatively weak compared to shells used by other vehicles. While working towards the improved M431 HEATFS shell, it is advisable to shoot at enemies' tracks and gun barrels if the main hull is too armoured for the APBC shell to penetrate. Doing so will help to incapacitate your enemies and allow your better-armed teammates to destroy them. Additionally, the M47 shouldn't have trouble dealing with soft targets. With two .50 cal [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|M2HB]] machine guns in addition to the [[M36 (90 mm)|90 mm M36]] main cannon, [[:Category:Light tanks|Light Tanks]] and Armoured Cars can be dispatched with ease. (On a side note, these machine guns can be used to spot enemy targets, alerting your team to their presence.)
 Once the HEATFS shell is unlocked, the M47 can be played more like a classic medium tank. There will be few vehicles that the upgraded shell cannot penetrate. It is recommended to play near friendly vehicles in case support is needed. Even with an upgraded shell, the M47 is not a lone wolf and can suffer without the backup of its allies.
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 * Great turret traverse speed once upgraded
 * Decent frontal armour, thicker and more sloped than the [[ST-A3]]
-* The main gun penetrate up to 320 mm of armor with HEATFS ammunition
+* The main gun can penetrate up to 320 mm of armour with HEATFS ammunition
 * Gun depression of -10° is usually sufficient to position behind short obstacles and hills

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