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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-In 1948, the The Republic of China's party, Kuomintang, ordered the Armoured Forces Command to acquire abandoned military surplus specially from the Pacific theatre. A total of 34 '''M10 TDs''' were purchased from the US, which at the time was trying to dispose as much military surplus as possible. The vehicles never saw combat in mainland China, instead they were evacuated to Taiwan. In 1949 with the new government stablished in Taiwan, the vehicles received several modifications. Some of which included the installation of Japanese Type 91 105 mm howitzer, effectively transforming the vehicle into a self-propelled artillery piece. At the end, the vehicles were retired from said role, with the introduction of the more specialized M7 Priest in 1955-1957.
+In 1948, the Republic of China's party, Kuomintang, ordered the Armoured Forces Command to acquire abandoned military surplus specially from the Pacific theatre. A total of 34 '''M10 TDs''' were purchased from the US, which at the time was trying to dispose as much military surplus as possible. The vehicles never saw combat in mainland China, instead they were evacuated to Taiwan. In 1949, with the new government established in Taiwan, the vehicles received several modifications, some of which included the installation of a Japanese Type 91 105 mm howitzer, effectively transforming the vehicle into a self-propelled artillery piece. At the end, the vehicles were retired from said role, with the introduction of the more specialized M7 Priest in 1955-1957.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. This Chinese vehicle is identical to the US [[M10 GMC]], however it does not have access to the Add-on Armor modification. It is armed with a very powerful gun for its BR, but that comes with some downsides, mainly mobility and survivability. The turrwt has an extremely poor traverse, and the survivability against HE projectiles or artillery is not ideal, since it is open top. It shoulf be played as a Tank Destroyer, waiting around corners and in deffensive positions.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. This Chinese vehicle is identical to the US [[M10 GMC]], however it does not have access to the Add-on Armor modification. It is armed with a very powerful gun for its BR, but that comes with some downsides, mainly mobility and survivability. The turret has an extremely poor traverse, and the survivability against HE projectiles or artillery is not ideal, since it is open top. It should be played as a tank destroyer, waiting around corners and in defensive positions.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-During WW2, China employed a great variety of Allied and Soviet vehicles to fight the Japanese Invasion. Many of this vehicles were given as military aid, but many others were acquired through direct purchase or other methods. The M10 tank destroyer was acquired by this method after World War 2, when a large surplus of this vehicles was available. The vehicle was used mainly to fight communist forces led by Mao Zedong, post Civil War, the M10 was used by the People's Republic of China.
+In 1948, the The Republic of China's party, Kuomintang, ordered the Armoured Forces Command to acquire abandoned military surplus specially from the Pacific theatre. A total of 34 '''M10 TDs''' were purchased from the US, which at the time was trying to dispose as much military surplus as possible. The vehicles never saw combat in mainland China, instead they were evacuated to Taiwan. In 1949 with the new government stablished in Taiwan, the vehicles received several modifications. Some of which included the installation of Japanese Type 91 105 mm howitzer, effectively transforming the vehicle into a self-propelled artillery piece. At the end, the vehicles were retired from said role, with the introduction of the more specialized M7 Priest in 1955-1957.
 It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. This Chinese vehicle is identical to the US [[M10 GMC]], however it does not have access to the Add-on Armor modification. It is armed with a very powerful gun for its BR, but that comes with some downsides, mainly mobility and survivability. The turrwt has an extremely poor traverse, and the survivability against HE projectiles or artillery is not ideal, since it is open top. It shoulf be played as a Tank Destroyer, waiting around corners and in deffensive positions.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]].
+During WW2, China employed a great variety of Allied and Soviet vehicles to fight the Japanese Invasion. Many of this vehicles were given as military aid, but many others were acquired through direct purchase or other methods. The M10 tank destroyer was acquired by this method after World War 2, when a large surplus of this vehicles was available. The vehicle was used mainly to fight communist forces led by Mao Zedong, post Civil War, the M10 was used by the People's Republic of China.
-This Chinese vehicle is identical to the US [[M10 GMC]], however it does not have access to the Add-on Armor modification.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. This Chinese vehicle is identical to the US [[M10 GMC]], however it does not have access to the Add-on Armor modification. It is armed with a very powerful gun for its BR, but that comes with some downsides, mainly mobility and survivability. The turrwt has an extremely poor traverse, and the survivability against HE projectiles or artillery is not ideal, since it is open top. It shoulf be played as a Tank Destroyer, waiting around corners and in deffensive positions.
 == General info ==
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[M10 (Family)]]
 * [[M36 Jackson (Family)]]

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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 54 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+30° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 3.96 || 5.48 || 6.66 || 7.37 || 7.84 || rowspan="2" | 8.19 || rowspan="2" | 7.25 || rowspan="2" | 6.68 || rowspan="2" | 6.30
+| rowspan="2" | 54 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+30° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 4.0 || 5.5 || 6.7 || 7.4 || 7.8 || rowspan="2" | 7.15 || rowspan="2" | 6.32 || rowspan="2" | 5.83 || rowspan="2" | 5.50
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 ! ''Realistic''
-| 2.68 || 3.15 || 3.83 || 4.23 || 4.50
+| 2.7 || 3.2 || 3.8 || 4.2 || 4.5
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Pintle || 400 (200) || 577 || -10°/+28° || ±60°
+| Pintle || 400 (200) || 575 || -10°/+28° || ±60°
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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:M7 (76 mm)/Ammunition|M79 shot, M42A1 shell, M62 shell}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 * Hull rear sides are protected by attached grousers that give 20 mm of extra armour.
-The armour of the M10 is quite decent for the rank and can make shells ricochet when angled properly, but nonetheless, the armour is not thick enough to resist the stronger tank weapons of Rank II. The thickest part of the front hull is the 51 mm lower plate and the upper plate is 38 mm, though both are sloping at 55 degrees from vertical. The sides and back are only 19 mm slightly angled and thus can be penetrated by most weapons stronger than a 12.7 mm machine gun. This fact is made worse by the positioning of ammo racks on the sides, making it easy to one-shot the M10 with a side penetration. The turret has slightly better armour with the gun mantlet having 57 mm angled at 45 degrees on the front, but it is still very weak on the sides and back. The front of the turret can often eat shells as the shell will fragment on the initial armour, and the massive breech of the 76 mm cannon will often absorb most if not all of the spalling, leaving the turret crew untouched. This will take the M10 out of combat, but when backed up by team-mates it is possible to reverse away to repair. The turrets top is exposed and because of that artillery barrages and HE shells are much more lethal to the crew. One should avoid angling the armour a great degree as it may expose the weaker side armour at a more perpendicular angle.
+The armour of the M10 is quite decent for the rank and can make shells ricochet when angled properly, but nonetheless, the armour is not thick enough to resist the stronger tank weapons of Rank II. The thickest part of the front hull is the 51 mm lower plate and the upper plate is 38 mm, though both are sloping at 55 degrees from vertical. The sides and back are only 19 mm slightly angled and thus can be penetrated by most weapons stronger than a 12.7 mm machine gun. This fact is made worse by the positioning of ammo racks on the sides, making it easy to knock the M10 GMC out with a side penetration. The turret has slightly better armour with the gun mantlet having 57 mm angled at 45 degrees on the front, but it is still very weak on the sides and back. The front of the turret can often eat shells as the shell will fragment on the initial armour, and the massive breech of the 76 mm cannon will often absorb most if not all of the spalling, leaving the turret crew untouched. This will take the M10 out of combat, but when backed up by team-mates it is possible to reverse away to repair. The turrets top is exposed and because of that artillery barrages and HE shells are much more lethal to the crew. One should avoid angling the armour a great degree as it may expose the weaker side armour at a more perpendicular angle.
 For those fighting the M10 from the front, firing towards the upper left side of the hull glacis (towards the right from the firing perspective) will be able to knock out both the driver and/or gunner if the shot penetrates in the right angle. If this does not completely destroy the tank, it certainly has crippled it and the follow-up shot should go towards the opposite side to knock out the rest of the crew. Repeat if necessary in cases where the crews are still active inside the tank. It is also a good idea to shoot the bottom of the hull to disable the transmission if the M10 is trying to flee.
-The M10's side is lined with ammo racks and it's extremely easy to one-shot the tank. Simply aim below the turret, shoot the side and the ammo should explode in a blaze of glory. If the ammo does not explode the first time, then try shooting the same spot again or aim more to the front of the hull to knock out any remaining crew. It is possible to blow up the fuel tanks or set it on fire by shooting the rear of the M10, the worse case at least the engine will be disabled.
+The M10's side is lined with ammo racks and it's extremely easy to knock the tank out. Simply aim below the turret, shoot the side and the ammo should explode in a blaze of glory. If the ammo does not explode the first time, then try shooting the same spot again or aim more to the front of the hull to knock out any remaining crew. It is possible to blow up the fuel tanks or set it on fire by shooting the rear of the M10, the worse case at least the engine will be disabled.
 There is not a whole lot of places to shoot at the back of the M10, though a shot at the turret can knock out the turret crew or a shot in the hull can cripple the engine. Two ammo racks are present at the rear of the turret, but these racks are most likely empty as 1) They are the first two to run dry and 2) Players will usually keep this empty with reduced ammo load. The best place to shoot in the rear would be the engine to immobilize the M10 and potentially set it on fire.
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 {{Specs-Economy}}
-First off, get both protection modifications: ''Parts'' and ''FPE''. After that, it is recommended to research the improved M62 shell, then move on to other modifications from the Firepower tree: ''Horizontal Drive'', ''Adjustment of Fire'', and the ''Elevation Mechanism''. Lastly research the Mobility tree: ''Tracks'', ''Filters'', ''Engine'', ''Transmission'', ''Suspension'', ''Brake System''.
+First off, get both protection modifications: Parts and FPE. After that, it is recommended to research the M62 APCBC shell, then move on to other modifications from the Firepower tree: Horizontal Drive, Adjustment of Fire, and the Elevation Mechanism. Lastly research the Mobility tree: Tracks, Filters, Engine, Transmission, Suspension, Brake System.
 == Armaments ==
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 {{main|M7 (76 mm)}}
-The 3-inch (76 mm) cannon is a wonderful and very powerful gun. APCBC ammo can penetrate and one shot most tanks on the battlefield even from long range. The M10 also has AP ammo with no explosive filler that has higher penetration but does less post-penetration damage. Because APCBC has enough penetration, the AP ammo is less useful, although carrying a few of these shells could prove useful in certain situations. It is not a bad idea to carry HE ammo as well to fight lightly armoured and open top tanks like the [[M16_MGMC|M16 SPAA]].
+The 3-inch (76 mm) cannon is a wonderful and very powerful gun. APCBC ammo can penetrate and knock out most tanks on the battlefield even from long range. The M10 also has an AP round with no explosive filler that has higher penetration but does less post-penetration damage. Because the APCBC shell has enough penetration, the AP shot is less useful, although carrying a few of these shells could prove useful in certain situations. It is not a bad idea to carry HE ammo as well to fight lightly-armoured and open top tanks like the [[M16 MGMC]].
 The powerful gun and potent ammunition make the M10 a good sniper vehicle at its battle rating, especially with its -10° gun depression, giving the M10 the ability to maximize a hull-down position. Unfortunately, even though this tank destroyer does feature a turret, its turret rotation speed is extremely slow (< 4.0°/s) due to its historic configuration of only possessing a hand crank for the turret traverse. It is possible to crest a ridge and watch as the enemy rotates their turret, takes aim, and shoots the M10, all while the latter is rotating its turret into position. Thus, it is better to see it as a regular fragile SPG instead of a turreted SPG and fight from a distance and in possible concealment.
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 * Is easily accessible
-With a location like that, the M10 can utilise its -10° gun depression and use hull down. Its turret front and mantlet can consistently cause ricochets especially in a downtier. Looming behind bushes, an M10's well aimed shots should be able to knock out most enemy tanks at the battle-rating range from long range. Even if you get spotted, any slope or hard covers will provide protection for you.
+With a location like that, the M10 can utilise its -10° gun depression and use hull down. Its turret front and mantlet can consistently cause ricochets especially in a downtier. Looming behind bushes, an M10's well aimed shots should be able to knock out most enemy tanks at the battle rating range from long range. Even if you get spotted, any slope or hard covers will provide protection for you.
 If fighting in a close quarter's environment, do not try to push forward without support. Stay behind friendly tanks in order to support them without being shot at. If in an urban scenario on maps like [[Poland_(Ground_Forces)|Poland]] or [[Normandy (Ground Forces)|Normandy]], utilize the tank's turning speed to rotate the turret to the right angle. But, the best option is still to find a hull down location. For example, in [[Normandy (Ground Forces)|Normandy]], during arcade, the best location is towards the C point, where there are hills and dips that can be used to hide the hull, while giving a good view of the battlefield.
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 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-[[R3 T20 FA-HS]]: this vehicle is the exact opposite tank when comparing to an M10: extremely high top-speed, great traverse and fast gun rotation. A well-manoeuvred R3 can easily circle around the M10 and shoot AP shells through the thin side, while the M10 struggles to get the gun on target even when traversing the hull with the gun. If you know an R3 is around, you better turn your hull towards the possible direction and be ready to engage. Move the hull with the gun to target quicker. Even if you miss, the M2 Browning can still penetrate the R3 and knock out its crews. Note that a side shot on the R3 does not guarantee a kill as the fuse might not get triggered, and the crew are pretty separated. The R3 can run away and repair for another attack. A frontal shot, however, is likely to one shot it as the crew are all lined up.
+[[R3 T20 FA-HS]]: this vehicle is the exact opposite tank when comparing to an M10: extremely high top-speed, great traverse and fast gun rotation. A well-manoeuvred R3 can easily circle around the M10 and shoot AP shells through the thin side, while the M10 struggles to get the gun on target even when traversing the hull with the gun. If you know an R3 is around, you better turn your hull towards the possible direction and be ready to engage. Move the hull with the gun to target quicker. Even if you miss, the M2 Browning can still penetrate the R3 and knock out its crews. Note that a side shot on the R3 does not guarantee a kill as the fuse might not get triggered, and the crew are pretty separated. The R3 can run away and repair for another attack. A frontal shot, however, is likely to knock it out as the crew are all lined up.
 [[8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl.]]: also known as the "flak truck", it is rather hard to knock out due to the fact that its armour is so thin that almost every shell will over-penetrate, dealing almost no critical damage. Plus this vehicle mostly face their side to the targets, making it even harder to kill them as the crew are all far apart. So it can usually take quite some hits and take out the shooters one by one. As the shooter, aim for the left side of its turret first to disable its gunner first, then knock out the rest of its crew (right turret & driving compartment). Do not hope that the M2 HB can kill all the the crew members; the "flak truck" 's armour is also angled enough for any MG to penetrate.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Powerful gun, stock shell can penetrate virtually any opponent it encounters, even the [[Tiger H1]]
+* Powerful gun, APCBC shell can penetrate virtually any opponent it encounters, even the [[Tiger H1]]
 * Good top speed for a SPG; allows it to get to positions timely
-* The huge, V-shaped gun mantlet and gun breech can often bounce / absorb shells (eg. 75 mm M3 and 76 mm F-34 / ZIS-5)
+* The huge, V-shaped gun mantlet and gun breech can often bounce / absorb shells (e.g. 75 mm M3 and 76 mm F-34 / ZIS-5)
 * Good gun depression of -10° adapts almost all terrains
 * Powerful roof-mounted [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|M2 Browning]] can effectively damage light vehicles or low flying aircraft
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 The groups managed to collect several M10 tank destroyers used by the Americans during battles in the Pacific. Other vehicles like the M5 Stuart and the amphibious LVT-2 also were collected. Most of these vehicles were only lightly damaged by combat. But the majority of their original 76 mm guns were either destroyed or not reliable for service.
-By the end of 1948, another 34 ''M10 tank destroyers'' were purchased from the United States. These findings and acquisitions were then shipped to '''Shanghai Longhua Tank Plant''' in mainland China for restorations and modifications.
+By the end of 1948, another 34 '''M10 tank destroyers''' were purchased from the United States. These findings and acquisitions were then shipped to Shanghai Longhua Tank Plant in mainland China for restorations and modifications.
-Around this time, the '''Chinese Civil War''' was still ongoing. The numerous battles were frequently won by the Communist Party of China's  armoured forces; and their rising superiority in tank numbers. This lead to their eventual total control of mainland China and the retreat of the Kuomintang to Taiwan.
+Around this time, the Chinese Civil War was still ongoing. The numerous battles were frequently won by the Communist Party of China's  armoured forces; and their rising superiority in tank numbers. This lead to their eventual total control of mainland China and the retreat of the Kuomintang to Taiwan.
 '''M10's modifications'''
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=china&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=cn_m10 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=cn_m10 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 == See also ==
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
-;* [[M10 (Family)]]
+* [[M10 (Family)]]
-;* [[M36 Jackson (Family)]]
+* [[M36 Jackson (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 {{Specs-Economy}}
-First off, get all protection modifications: ''Parts'' and ''FPE''. After that move on to research modifications from the Firepower tree: ''Horizontal Drive'', ''Adjustment of Fire'', and the ''Elevation Mechanism''. Lastly research the Mobility tree: ''Tracks'', ''Filters'', ''Engine'', ''Transmission'', ''Suspension'', ''Brake System''.
+First off, get both protection modifications: ''Parts'' and ''FPE''. After that, it is recommended to research the improved M62 shell, then move on to other modifications from the Firepower tree: ''Horizontal Drive'', ''Adjustment of Fire'', and the ''Elevation Mechanism''. Lastly research the Mobility tree: ''Tracks'', ''Filters'', ''Engine'', ''Transmission'', ''Suspension'', ''Brake System''.
 == Armaments ==
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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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-| M62 shell || APCBC || 149 || 146 || 133 || 119 || 106 || 95
+| M79 shot || AP || 134 || 132 || 121 || 109 || 99 || 89
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 | M42A1 shell || HE || 7 || 7 || 7 || 7 || 7 || 7
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-| M79 shot || AP || 134 || 132 || 121 || 109 || 99 || 89
+| M62 shell || APCBC || 149 || 146 || 133 || 119 || 106 || 95
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-| M62 shell || APCBC || 792 || 7 || 1.2 || 14 || 63.7 || 48° || 63° || 71°
+| M79 shot || AP || 792 || 6.8 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
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 | M42A1 shell || HE || 853 || 5.84 || 0 || 0.1 || 390 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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-| M79 shot || AP || 792 || 6.8 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
+| M62 shell || APCBC || 792 || 7 || 1.2 || 14 || 63.7 || 48° || 63° || 71°
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