M109 (Israel) - Revision history

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U169804111: I added some context from my personal experience with the Israeli M109 and it's armament

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 The M109 should be played as a manually-aimed artillery unit that engages enemies while they are distracted. It is important to stick close to allies and avoid being flanked by faster tanks. The M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time. Acknowledging the lengthy reload time of this TD, along with the short barrel with a heavy shell and high shell drop, it is recommended to stay at a medium to short range and engage targets with one hit angles. Should one be incapable of neutralizing the enemy at once (heavy armour, bad angle, etc.), it is recommended to leave them to be finished by teammates.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 == Media ==
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 == See also ==

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 {{main|M126 (155 mm)}}
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The M109 should be played as a manually-aimed artillery unit that engages enemies while they are distracted. It is important to stick close to allies and avoid being flanked by faster tanks. The M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time.
+The M109 should be played as a manually-aimed artillery unit that engages enemies while they are distracted. It is important to stick close to allies and avoid being flanked by faster tanks. The M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time. Acknowledging the lengthy reload time of this TD, along with the short barrel with a heavy shell and high shell drop, it is recommended to stay at a medium to short range and engage targets with one hit angles. Should one be incapable of neutralizing the enemy at once (heavy armour, bad angle, etc.), it is recommended to leave them to be finished by teammates.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Powerful weapon: M109 has a powerful 155 mm howitzer that can deal significant damage to enemy vehicles
+* Powerful 155 mm howitzer that can deal significant damage to enemy vehicles
-* Long range: M109 can fire up to 30 km, allowing it to engage enemies from a safe distance
+* Can fire up to 30 km, allowing it to engage enemies from a safe distance
-* Decent mobility: M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time
+* The M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time
-* Effective against tanks: M109 can be used to destroy tanks
+* Effective against any tank
-* Good support unit: M109 can be used to support team tanks
+* Good unit to support teammates
 '''Cons:'''
-* Low rate of fire: M109 has a low rate of fire, which can make it difficult to engage multiple targets quickly
+* Low rate of fire, which can make it difficult to engage multiple targets quickly
-* Poor armour: M109 is not well-armoured and can be easily destroyed by enemy fire
+* Poor armour: not well-protected and can be easily destroyed by enemy fire
-* Vulnerable to flanking: M109 is vulnerable to flanking by faster tanks
+* Vulnerable to flanking by faster tanks
-* Requires manual aiming: M109 is a manually-aimed artillery unit, which can make it difficult to hit moving targets
+* Slow turret traverse speed, which can make it difficult to hit moving targets
-* Limited ammunition: M109 has a limited number of rounds, which can make it difficult to sustain fire for extended periods of time
+* Limited ammunition count, which can make it difficult to sustain fire for extended periods of time
 == History ==

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-''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''
+Acknowledging the lengthy reload time of this TD, along with the short barrel with a heavy shell and high shell drop, we recommend staying at medium-short range and engaging targets with one hit angles, should you be incapable of neutralizing the enemy (Heavy armour, bad angle), we'd recommend taking out that hunk of steels tracks/wheels or barrel and leave them for the vultures (friendlies)
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 == Description ==
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-Israel first acquired the '''{{Specs|name}}''' at the end of the 1960s, and later fielded more modern versions of the M109 like the M109A1 and M109A2. The first combat seen by the vehicle was during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and while Israeli doctrine did not incentivised a predominant role for its artillery, the precision mobility of the M109 proved its effectiveness at striking enemy strategic points. In a similar way, the M109 was used during the 1982 Lebanon War, by the 2006 Lebanon War, the early M109s were all replaced with its longer range versions.
+Israel first acquired the '''{{Specs|name}}''' at the end of the 1960s, and later fielded more modern versions of the M109 like the M109A1 and M109A2. The first combat seen by the vehicle was during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and while Israeli doctrine did not incentivise a predominant role for its artillery, the precision mobility of the M109 proved its effectiveness in striking enemy strategic points. In a similar way, the M109 was used during the 1982 Lebanon War. By the 2006 Lebanon War, the early M109s were all replaced with its longer range versions.
-It was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]]. The M109 in War Thunder fields a very powerful HE shell in a somewhat capable cannon, the short barrel of this M109 is not the most capable at dealing with long ranges, but it is very easy to operate even for beginners. The M109 is better used as a support tank, flanking or staying behind cover and ambushing incoming enemies, aiming for the top of the turret, the bottom of the hull or the engine compartment are the best ideas, since the HE 155mm shell fielded by this tank is not powerful enough to consistently penetrate tanks from the front, specially Cold War MBTs.
+Introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]], the M109 fields a very powerful HE shell in a somewhat capable cannon. The short barrel of this M109 is not the most capable at dealing with long ranges, but it is very easy to operate even for beginners. The M109 is better used as a support tank, flanking or staying behind cover and ambushing incoming enemies. Aiming for the top of the turret, the bottom of the hull, or the engine compartment are the best ideas, since the 155 mm HE shell fielded by this tank is not powerful enough to consistently penetrate tanks from the front, especially Cold War MBTs.
 == General info ==

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Powerful weapon: M109 has a powerful 155 mm howitzer that can deal significant damage to enemy vehicles.
+* Powerful weapon: M109 has a powerful 155 mm howitzer that can deal significant damage to enemy vehicles
-* Long range: M109 can fire up to 30 km, allowing it to engage enemies from a safe distance.
+* Long range: M109 can fire up to 30 km, allowing it to engage enemies from a safe distance
-* Decent mobility: M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time.
+* Decent mobility: M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time
-* Effective against tanks: M109 can be used to destroy tanks.
+* Effective against tanks: M109 can be used to destroy tanks
-* Good support unit: M109 can be used to support team tanks.
+* Good support unit: M109 can be used to support team tanks
 '''Cons:'''
-* Low rate of fire: M109 has a low rate of fire, which can make it difficult to engage multiple targets quickly.
+* Low rate of fire: M109 has a low rate of fire, which can make it difficult to engage multiple targets quickly
-* Poor armour: M109 is not well-armoured and can be easily destroyed by enemy fire.
+* Poor armour: M109 is not well-armoured and can be easily destroyed by enemy fire
-* Vulnerable to flanking: M109 is vulnerable to flanking by faster tanks.
+* Vulnerable to flanking: M109 is vulnerable to flanking by faster tanks
-* Requires manual aiming: M109 is a manually-aimed artillery unit, which can make it difficult to hit moving targets.
+* Requires manual aiming: M109 is a manually-aimed artillery unit, which can make it difficult to hit moving targets
-* Limited ammunition: M109 has a limited number of rounds, which can make it difficult to sustain fire for extended periods of time.
+* Limited ammunition: M109 has a limited number of rounds, which can make it difficult to sustain fire for extended periods of time
 == History ==
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 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[M109G (Italy)]]
+;Related development
-* [[M109A1 (Great Britain)]]
+* [[M109 (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 === Modifications and economy ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''In terms of gameplay, M109 should be played as a manually-aimed artillery unit that engages enemies while they are distracted. It is important to stick close to allies and avoid being flanked by faster tanks2. M109’s mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time.''
+The M109 should be played as a manually-aimed artillery unit that engages enemies while they are distracted. It is important to stick close to allies and avoid being flanked by faster tanks. The M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time.
 === Pros and cons ===
 <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
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 * Powerful weapon: M109 has a powerful 155 mm howitzer that can deal significant damage to enemy vehicles.
 * Long range: M109 can fire up to 30 km, allowing it to engage enemies from a safe distance.
-* Decent mobility: M109’s mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time.
+* Decent mobility: M109's mobility is decent enough to allow it to get to a position in time.
 * Effective against tanks: M109 can be used to destroy tanks.
 * Good support unit: M109 can be used to support team tanks.
 '''Cons:'''
 * Low rate of fire: M109 has a low rate of fire, which can make it difficult to engage multiple targets quickly.
-* Poor armor: M109 is not well-armored and can be easily destroyed by enemy fire.
+* Poor armour: M109 is not well-armoured and can be easily destroyed by enemy fire.
 * Vulnerable to flanking: M109 is vulnerable to flanking by faster tanks.
 * Requires manual aiming: M109 is a manually-aimed artillery unit, which can make it difficult to hit moving targets.
-* Limited ammunition: M109 has a limited number of rounds, which can make it difficult to sustain fire for extended periods o'''f time.'''
+* Limited ammunition: M109 has a limited number of rounds, which can make it difficult to sustain fire for extended periods of time.
 == History ==
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-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History)</nowiki> and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code>=== In-game description ===</code>, also if applicable).''
+''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
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-''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''
+The armour on the M109 is nearly non-existent, being surrounded by 32 mm thick aluminium alloy 5083, which effectively comes down to 13-20 mm RHA. This leaves the vehicle vulnerable to even light machine gun fire from any angle. The weakness of the armour turns into a strong-suit against AP shells that will pass straight through, unable to fuse or create enough spall to inflict major damage. Direct hits from HE and other chemical shells will most likely leave the M109 a burning wreck. The 6 crew members are pretty spaced apart in the turret, giving a plus to crew survivability.
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