M109G (Italy) - Revision history

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‎Description: New Description Project ‎Usage in Battles: Section Done

U11799692: /Ammo Racks&Survivability Tables/ Minor changes to the tables to improve readability

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‎Ammo Racks&Survivability Tables: Minor changes to the tables to improve readability

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‎Ammo racks

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‎Survivability and armour

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‎Media: Added skins

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U42773747: The other half of comparison was removed on other page by a mod, so i guess that would have to eventually go away too.

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The other half of comparison was removed on other page by a mod, so i guess that would have to eventually go away too.

U42773747: /* Pros and cons */ forgot one point.

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‎Pros and cons: forgot one point.

U42773747: i think there was something in recommendations to try and add context for tech trees when describing clones of the same tank, so i'll do just that here?

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i think there was something in recommendations to try and add context for tech trees when describing clones of the same tank, so i'll do just that here?

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The M109, an American-designed self-propelled howitzer, replaced the M44 in the US army in 1961. Italy received M44s post-war as US aid, however with further negotiations Italy later acquired M109s, upgrading some to the M109L standard with OTO Melara 155mm cannons and adding rammer devices. While not heavily armored, the M109 could withstand small arms fire and some shell splinters. It reached speeds of 35 km/h and had a range of 216 miles. The Italian army used M109s in peacekeeping operations but phased them out in the early 2000s for the PzH 2000 artillery piece. Leonardo also created an upgrade for the M109 with a longer-range cannon and Italian Vulcano guided munitions.
+The M109, an American-designed self-propelled howitzer, replaced the M44 in the US army in 1961. Italy received M44s post-war as US aid, however with further negotiations Italy later acquired M109s, upgrading some to the M109L standard with OTO Melara 155 mm cannons and adding rammer devices. While not heavily armoured, the M109 could withstand small arms fire and some shell splinters. It reached speeds of 35 km/h and had a range of 216 miles. The Italian army used M109s in peacekeeping operations but phased them out in the early 2000s for the PzH 2000 artillery piece. Leonardo also created an upgrade for the M109 with a longer-range cannon and Italian Vulcano guided munitions.
-It was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' has little to no armour being able to be penetrated from low calibre autocannon fire, including 14.5mm HMGs. This does not mean that the M109 is bad, with a powerful 155mm cannon, its HE shells are enough to overpressure or even penetrate the armour of most tanks. The tank does have a very long reload rate and a poor turret traverse speed, it is recommended using the M109 for ambushes, flanking with allies, launching a HE shell at a weakspot and then retreat to safety to reload, since it will take you almost half a minute. For heavy tanks, it is recommended aiming for the top of the turret or below the chassis if possible.
+It was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' has little to no armour, being able to be penetrated from low calibre autocannon fire, including 14.5 mm HMGs. This does not mean that the M109 is bad; with a powerful 155 mm cannon, its HE shells are enough to overpressure or even penetrate the armour of most tanks. The tank does have a very long reload rate and a poor turret traverse speed, it is recommended using the M109 for ambushes, flanking with allies, launching a HE shell at a weakspot and then retreat to safety to reload. Against heavy tanks, it is recommended to aim for the top of the turret or below the chassis if possible.
 == General info ==
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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 | Hull || 32 mm (27-74°) ''Upper Glacis''<br>32 mm (0-49°) ''Lower Glacis''
 | 32 mm ''Top'' <br> 32 mm ''Bottom'' || 32 mm || 32 mm ''Hull Roof''<br>10 mm ''Radiator Covers''
 |-
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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 The M109G features a very powerful armament at its BR, paired with a mediocre platform, chassis and powerplant. But in other to be used effectively, it needs to be played with caution in mind or you might be send back to the menu.
-The M109G has a reload rate of around 30 sec, depending on crew skill, but it is very low, and the armour can be penetrated even by 14.5mm HMGs, so in order to avoid that, a recommended tactic is flanking with allies, launching a HE shell, preferribly to a high value target like a heavy tank, and lather retreat.
+The M109G has a very slow reload rate and the armour can be penetrated even by 14.5 mm HMGs, so in order to avoid that, a recommended tactic is flanking with allies, launching a HE shell, preferably at a high value target like a heavy tank, and quickly retreat to reload.
-The tank can be used as a brawler but can be quickly overwhelmed by superior enemy numbers, for such tactics, it is recommended going with coordinated squad of other M109s or even better, a mix of heavy and light vehicles, combining destructive firepower, with armour and speed. The M109G is overall, a very team dependent vehicle, it requires you and your team to do well in order to succeed, that is why it should be played in a more passive playstyle than other vehicles. Avoid rushing capture points since they could be ambushed, and avoid brawling alone, when playing solo, flanking and sniping is your best bet.
+The tank can be used as a brawler but can be quickly overwhelmed by superior enemy numbers. For such tactics, it is recommended going with a coordinated squad of other M109s or even better, a mix of heavy and light vehicles, combining destructive firepower with armour and speed. The M109G is overall a very team dependent vehicle, it requires you and your team to do well in order to succeed, that is why it should be played in a more passive playstyle than other vehicles. Avoid rushing capture points since they could be ambushed, and avoid brawling alone; when playing solo, flanking and sniping is your best bet.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Low survivability due to thin armour and munition placement, cannot sustain even 12.7 mm HMG
 * Long reload when compared to normal tanks
 * (mostly AB) Shell velocity does not let the tank to fire over a hill at short to medium range
 * (RB) Bad optics zoom, inadequate for sniping at long distances

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Kings of Battle"]].
+The M109, an American-designed self-propelled howitzer, replaced the M44 in the US army in 1961. Italy received M44s post-war as US aid, however with further negotiations Italy later acquired M109s, upgrading some to the M109L standard with OTO Melara 155mm cannons and adding rammer devices. While not heavily armored, the M109 could withstand small arms fire and some shell splinters. It reached speeds of 35 km/h and had a range of 216 miles. The Italian army used M109s in peacekeeping operations but phased them out in the early 2000s for the PzH 2000 artillery piece. Leonardo also created an upgrade for the M109 with a longer-range cannon and Italian Vulcano guided munitions.
 == General info ==
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+The M109G features a very powerful armament at its BR, paired with a mediocre platform, chassis and powerplant. But in other to be used effectively, it needs to be played with caution in mind or you might be send back to the menu.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || 32 mm (27-74°) ''Upper Glacis''
+| Hull || 32 mm (27-74°) ''Upper Glacis''<br>32 mm (0-49°) ''Lower Glacis''
-mm (0-49°) ''Lower Glacis''
+| 32 mm ''Top'' <br> 32 mm ''Bottom'' || 32 mm || 32 mm ''Hull Roof''<br>10 mm ''Radiator Covers''
 |-
 | Turret || 32 mm (28-73°) ''Turret front'' <br> 32 mm (4-56°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 32 mm (23-50°) || 32 mm || 32 mm
 |-
-| Cupola || colspan="3" | 32 mm || 32 mm
+| Cupola || colspan="3" style="text-align:center" | 32 mm || 32 mm
 |-
 |}
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-|Projectiles
+|Projectiles<br>Propellants
-Propellants
+| 24&nbsp;''(+4)''<br>23&nbsp;''(+5)''
-| 24&nbsp;''(+4)''
+| 19&nbsp;''(+9)''<br>17&nbsp;''(+11)''
-&nbsp;''(+5)''
+| 17&nbsp;''(+11)''<br>1&nbsp;''(+27)''
-| 19&nbsp;''(+9)''
+| 1&nbsp;''(+27)''<br>N/A
 | No
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 ==== Ammunition ====
 {{:M126E1 (155 mm)/Ammunition|M107, M107 (PF), M110}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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 |-
 ! Full<br>ammo
 ! 1st<br>rack empty
 ! 2nd<br>rack empty
 ! 3rd<br>rack empty
 ! 4th<br>rack empty
 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| '''28''' || __&nbsp;''(+__)'' || __&nbsp;''(+__)'' || __&nbsp;''(+__)'' || __&nbsp;''(+__)'' || __&nbsp;''(+__)'' || __&nbsp;''(+__)'' || __
+| '''28'''
 |-
 |}
 === Machine guns ===

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 The armour on the M109 is nearly non-existent, being surrounded by 32 mm thick aluminium alloy 5083, which effectively comes down to 13-20 mm RHA. This leaves the vehicle vulnerable to even light machine gun fire from any angle. The weakness of the armour turns into a strong-suit against AP shells that will pass straight through, unable to fuse or create enough spall to inflict major damage. Direct hits from HE and other chemical shells will most likely leave the M109 a burning wreck. The 6 crew members are pretty spaced apart in the turret, giving a plus to crew survivability.
-'''Armour type:''' <!-- The types of armour present on the vehicle and their general locations -->
+'''Armour type:'''
 <!-- Example: * Rolled homogeneous armour (Front, Side, Rear, Hull roof)
 * Cast homogeneous armour (Turret, Transmission area) -->
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' <br> ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Hull || 32 mm (27-74°) ''Upper Glacis''
 |-
-| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Turret || 32 mm (28-73°) ''Turret front'' <br> 32 mm (4-56°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 32 mm (23-50°) || 32 mm || 32 mm
 |-
-| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm
+| Cupola || colspan="3" | 32 mm || 32 mm
 |-
 |}
-'''Notes:''' <!-- Any additional notes which the user needs to be aware of -->
+'''Notes:'''
 <!-- Example: * Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick, tracks are 30 mm thick, and torsion bars are 60 mm thick. -->
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=it_m109g Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 Italy comes into play also, post-war they were lacking in a lot of sectors, so America would be generous enough to supply the Italian army with M44 self-propelled howitzers. However, they also soon desired a heavy SPH that would be mobile enough and be able to be operated in multiple types of environments. Eventually after a lot of discussions, the first batches of M109 is would be acquired by the Italian army in 1962. Initially, part of the deal with Italy included 221 M109s equipped with 155 mm cannons. Other part of the deal saw Italy purchase up to 62 versions of the M109A1B. Some of the original M109s were later upgraded by OTO Melara to the M109L standard which had been modified to utilize the 155 mm cannon made by OTO Melara. Italy improved the combat effectiveness of their M109s by adding a "rammer" which heavily reduced operator fatigue while also increasing the rate of fire of the vehicle.
-In terms of survivability, the M109 is not the most armoured vehicle there is, but it is said that it could withstand the majority of small arms fire and shell splinters that may happen to hit the vehicle when an enemy performs a counter artillery attack. However, that said, even the weakest HE or HEAT rounds would make short work of the M109, the platform houses its munitions at the back of the turret, so it is safe to say that it would not be able to hold its own against most ground vehicle threats if shot there. In terms of mobility, depending on the version, most M109s can reach speeds of up to 35 km/h, with an overall range of 216 miles. It is powered by a Detroit Diesel 8V71T engine which produces 450hp.
+In terms of survivability, the M109 is not the most armoured vehicle there is, but it is said that it could withstand the majority of small arms fire and shell splinters that may happen to hit the vehicle when an enemy performs a counter artillery attack. However, that said, even the weakest HE or HEAT rounds would make short work of the M109, the platform houses its munitions at the back of the turret, so it is safe to say that it would not be able to hold its own against most ground vehicle threats if shot there. In terms of mobility, depending on the version, most M109s can reach speeds of up to 35 km/h, with an overall range of 216 miles. It is powered by a Detroit Diesel 8V71T engine which produces 450 hp.
 The M109 has been combat proven in many theatres of war all around the world. The Italian army would mostly use the M109 for various missions and peacekeeping operations, for example during the Kosovo War, where it provided much needed artillery fire for the troops on the ground. Most sources however state that the majority if not all M109s that the Italian army had used, have been phased out during the early 2000s for the more modern and stronger PzH 2000 artillery piece.
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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[M109 (Israel)]]
+;Related development
-* [[M109A1 (Great Britain)]]
-* [[M109A1]]
+* [[M109 (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 * Access to proxy munitions
 * (RB) Slightly faster shell velocity than other short-barrelled artillery tanks, may be easier to aim
 '''Cons:'''
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 * (mostly AB) Shell velocity does not let the tank to fire over a hill at short to medium range
 * (RB) Bad optics zoom, inadequate for sniping at long distances
 == History ==

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 * Slightly better odds of survival if turret was hit by a kinetic shell
 * Shorter hull and no recoil when firing broadside
 '''Cons:'''