Lorraine 37L - Revision history

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-During WWII, France armoured forces were decimated, suffering heavy losses against German units and specially, against their tanks. One of the attempts made to overcome this issue was the conversion of a Lorraine 37L tractor into a tank destroyer. The vehicle was fitted with a 47mm SA37 anti-tank gun, even though construction of the prototype was finished quickly, by the time it was ready for production France had already capitulated.
+During WWII, France armoured forces were decimated, suffering heavy losses against German units and especially against their tanks. One of the attempts made to overcome this issue was the conversion of a Lorraine 37L tractor into a tank destroyer, fitted with a 47 mm SA37 anti-tank gun. Even though construction of the prototype was finished quickly, by the time it was ready for production France had already capitulated.
-It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]]. Considering the characteristics of this vehicle, mobility of a tractor and no armour at all, the Lorraine 37L is best used in sniping positions, behind hills or bushes. It does have a small size, so in hidden positions it is hard to observe, specially when surrounded by foliage and vegetation. The tank features an SA37 AT gun, with very good penetration values for its BR, and as such, this tank should be played passively, it is a good anti tank complement for any French rank I line-up.
+It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]]. Considering the characteristics of this vehicle, mobility of a tractor and no armour at all, the Lorraine 37L is best used in sniping positions, behind hills or bushes. It does have a small size, so in hidden positions it is hard to observe, especially when surrounded by foliage and vegetation. The tank features an SA37 anti-tank gun, with very good penetration values for its BR, and as such, this tank should be played passively, it is a good anti-tank complement for any French rank I line-up.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "New Power"]].
+During WWII, France armoured forces were decimated, suffering heavy losses against German units and specially, against their tanks. One of the attempts made to overcome this issue was the conversion of a Lorraine 37L tractor into a tank destroyer. The vehicle was fitted with a 47mm SA37 anti-tank gun, even though construction of the prototype was finished quickly, by the time it was ready for production France had already capitulated.
 == General info ==

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 The armour-piercing capped round Mle 1936 has a high penetration power for the battle rating but lacks the post-penetration damage with the absence of an explosive filler. The lack of base tracer also makes it difficult to correct your targeting at long distance as you can't properly visualize the trajectory of your shell.
-{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:SA37 (47 mm)/Ammunition|Mle1936}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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	* [https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/Lorraine-37L.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> Lorraine 37L]		* [https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/Lorraine-37L.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> Lorraine 37L]

		+	{{TankManufacturer Lorraine}}
	{{France tank destroyers}}		{{France tank destroyers}}

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-Notes:
+'''Notes''':
 * Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_lorraine_37l Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_lorraine_37l Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Images
-<gallery mode="packed" caption="Lorraine 37L Devblog Images" heights="170">
+<gallery mode="packed" caption="Lorraine 37L Devblog Images" heights="150">
 File:Lorrainne 37L WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
 File:Lorrainne 37L WTWallpaper 002.jpg|

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 {{Specs-Card
 |code=fr_lorraine_37l
-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
 }}

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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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-| Mle1936 || APCBC || 105 || 100 || 81 || 62 || 48 || 37
+| Mle1936 || APCBC || 105 || 102 || 89 || 75 || 63 || 53
 |-
 |}
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 ;Combat tactics
-Virtually unarmoured, the {{PAGENAME}} is better used to snipe or ambush the enemy. Its gun has a good rate of fire, but many other guns at this rank will reload as fast as yours. The gun is extremely powerful for its rank, which means you will penetrate almost any target, so there is no need to throw yourself in front of the enemy: position yourself at a safe distance from the fronline action. An open-backed SPG should never be flanked: put at least 500 m between you and your target and watch your sides for sneaking foes. While the gun can be sufficient to destroy most enemies in a single shot, more heavily armoured enemies will need several well-aimed shots to be fully disabled. The gun's ballistics are somewhat tricky without a base tracer and the ammo count is limited, so aim carefully and accurately.
+Virtually unarmoured, the {{PAGENAME}} is better used to snipe or ambush the enemy. Its gun has a good rate of fire, but many other guns at this rank will reload as fast as yours. The gun is extremely powerful for its rank, which means you will penetrate almost any target, so there is no need to throw yourself in front of the enemy: position yourself at a safe distance from the frontline action. An open-backed SPG should never be flanked: put at least 500 m between you and your target and watch your sides for sneaking foes. While the gun can be sufficient to destroy most enemies in a single shot, more heavily armoured enemies will need several well-aimed shots to be fully disabled. The gun's ballistics are somewhat tricky without a base tracer and the ammo count is limited, so aim carefully and accurately.
 At the start of the match, use your good mobility to get to a location overlooking enemy movement routes or a sniping spot to engage advancing enemy vehicles. Make sure to change your position every few shots to prevent enemies from tracking you down and targeting you with either artillery strikes or close air support attacks. Even light machine gun fire is a big threat as most of your crew members sit in the open: planes are very dangerous with the {{PAGENAME}} having no anti-aircraft armament to counter them. Therefore, it is best to remain hidden or behind cover.
 ;Notable enemies
-With its thin armour, any enemy can knock out the {{PAGENAME}} with prolonged light MG fire. But some stand out by their dangerosity:
+With its thin armour, any enemy can knock out the {{PAGENAME}} with prolonged light MG fire. But some stand out by the danger they pose:
 * Tanks and tank destroyers firing HEAT shells: LVT(A)(4), M8 Scott, Pz.IV C, Nb.Fz., 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl, Sd.Kfz. 234/3, Ho-Ro, Chi-Ha Short Gun, M8 HMC (China) and Spj fm/43-44.

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 === Mobility ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
-<!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->{{tankMobility|abMinHp=99|rbMinHp=62}}
+<!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 22 || rowspan="2" | -13°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±34° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 10.6 || 14.6 ||17.8||19.6|| 20.9 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" |3.45|| rowspan="2" |3.18|| rowspan="2" | 3.00
+| rowspan="2" | 22 || rowspan="2" | -13°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±34° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 10.6 || 14.6 || 17.8 || 19.6 || 20.9 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.45 || rowspan="2" | 3.18 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| 7.1 || 8.4 ||10.2||11.3|| 12.0
+| 7.1 || 8.4 || 10.2 || 11.3 || 12.0
 |-
 |}
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 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
+! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 |-
 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| Mle1936 || APC || 94 || 90 || 73 || 56 || 43 || 33
+| Mle1936 || APCBC || 105 || 100 || 81 || 62 || 48 || 37
 |-
 |}
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 ! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 |-
-| Mle1936 || APC || 855 || 1.73 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
+| Mle1936 || APCBC || 855 || 1.73 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
 |-
 |}
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 ;Combat tactics
 Virtually unarmoured, the {{PAGENAME}} is better used to snipe or ambush the enemy. Its gun has a good rate of fire, but many other guns at this rank will reload as fast as yours. The gun is extremely powerful for its rank, which means you will penetrate almost any target, so there is no need to throw yourself in front of the enemy: position yourself at a safe distance from the fronline action. An open-backed SPG should never be flanked: put at least 500 m between you and your target and watch your sides for sneaking foes. While the gun can be sufficient to destroy most enemies in a single shot, more heavily armoured enemies will need several well-aimed shots to be fully disabled. The gun's ballistics are somewhat tricky without a base tracer and the ammo count is limited, so aim carefully and accurately.
 At the start of the match, use your good mobility to get to a location overlooking enemy movement routes or a sniping spot to engage advancing enemy vehicles. Make sure to change your position every few shots to prevent enemies from tracking you down and targeting you with either artillery strikes or close air support attacks. Even light machine gun fire is a big threat as most of your crew members sit in the open: planes are very dangerous with the {{PAGENAME}} having no anti-aircraft armament to counter them. Therefore, it is best to remain hidden or behind cover.
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 ;How to defeat a {{PAGENAME}}
 * Do not attack the tank destroyer frontally as it will most likely hit you first.
 * If alone, flanking the {{PAGENAME}} undetected and immobilizing it with your first shot remains your best chance to destroy it. But it is difficult because it will position very far from the frontline.
 * Initiate a pincer move on it together with a teammate. As a turretless tank destroyer with weak armour, this will force it to retreat and relocate or face the  risk of being destroyed.
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 <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
 * Very good penetration for a 47 mm at this rank

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 * The side and rear of the vehicle have very little armour, leaving three of the four crew members with almost no protection from artillery and incoming fire
 * Mid and long-range shots difficult to correct without any tracer component in the round to visually track the round's trajectory
 == History ==