Lim-5P (Germany) - Revision history

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 The licensing contract was signed in 1955 as the replacement of the earlier Lim-2 (MiG-15), Lim-5P was the all-weather variant of MiG-17PF with revisions on armaments and engine, as well as a RP-5 radar for target acquisition. By the end of 1960, 129 of them were built; some of them were also converted into Lim-6M and -6MR variant as attacker/recon aircraft for Polish Air Force.
-The LSK (''Luftstreitkräfte;'' East German Airforce) acquired 40-48 of MiG-17PF/Lim-5P from both USSR and Poland as one of the composition of their jet fighter/attacker fleets. They didn't join any combats and been phrased out by newer jets from USSR between 1970 to 1973, either being scrapped or been transferred to Guinea-Bissau in the 1980s.<ref>https://acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/combat-jets-of-the-east-german-air-force-1956-to-1969-the-early-days/</ref>
+The LSK (''Luftstreitkräfte;'' East German Airforce) acquired 40-48 of MiG-17PF/Lim-5P from both USSR and Poland as one of the composition of their jet fighter/attacker fleets. They didn't join any combat and were phased out by newer jets from USSR between 1970 to 1973, either being scrapped or been transferred to Guinea-Bissau in the 1980s.<ref>https://acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/combat-jets-of-the-east-german-air-force-1956-to-1969-the-early-days/</ref>
 == Media ==

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 MiG-17 equivalent for the DDR line fighters is the best description for Lim-5P; it is the Polish licensed version of MiG-17PF and this also marks its identity as a all-weather interceptor with a RP-5 radar. It might not be very reliable due to its electronics, but 8 km detection range at higher altitude does also gives players an edge on spotting enemies beforehand; this is especially true in SB since who spot first really matters in this case (but do make sure the target is indeed an enemy). Another feature of Lim-5P is the VK-1F afterburner turbojet engine, players of [[Shenyang F-5]] will soon find themselves at home as this further boost its capability to chase down enemies with lower energy or altitude with ease, sometimes even handling supersonic jets in dire.
-However, players will also find the similar flaws from his cousins: control surfaces lock up and subpar roll rate at higher speeds. Be sure to check the speeds before chasing down enemies or players will meet their demise quickly; do beware of jets with missiles when doing dogfights, since the heat from the afterburner is high, turn it off for better odds to dodge the missile. Meanwhile, it has 3 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons instead of the conventional 2 x 23 mm and a 37 mm N-37D config for lighter weight during interception missions and also higher ammo count; to some players it means more rounds to sparse, while some consider it as a big nerf from his cousins since the 23 mm rounds don't fly as straight as their NATO counterparts and some might prefer having a 37 mm for an instant-kill. Trigger discipline is still essential for this jet (300 rounds in total) to make sure the best efficiency can be achieved- it is still an autocannon, after all.
+However, players will also find the similar flaws from his cousins: control surfaces lock up and subpar roll rate at higher speeds. Be sure to check the speeds before chasing down enemies or players will meet their demise quickly; do beware of jets with missiles when doing dogfights, since the heat from the afterburner is high, turn it off for better odds to dodge the missile. Meanwhile, it has 3 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons instead of the conventional 2 x 23 mm and a 37 mm N-37D config for lighter weight during interception missions and also higher ammo count; to some players it means more rounds to spare, while some consider it as a big nerf from its cousins since the 23 mm rounds don't fly as straight as their NATO counterparts and some might prefer having a 37 mm for an instant-kill. Trigger discipline is still essential for this jet (300 rounds in total) to make sure the best efficiency can be achieved- it is still an autocannon, after all.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 In 1955, Poland bought the license to produce the Soviet [[MiG-17]] (and all its subsequent variants) indigenously. The aircraft received the designation Licencyjny Myśliwiec ''("Licensed Fighter")'' 5, or just Lim-5 for short. One variant in particular appeared in 1956, being a licensed copy of the MiG-17PF equipped with not only an afterburning variant of the VK-1 engine, but also the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system in the nose. This variant was named the '''Lim-5P''', and 129 were built in this variant before production of the Lim-5 ceased in 1960 in favour of the upgraded Lim-6. The Polish Lim-5s were exported to many countries due to their cheaper price than the Soviet originals, seeing service with countries in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and the Warsaw Pact. The most interesting user of the Lim-5 was Guinea-Bissau, a very small country on the Western coast of Africa. While there isn't much known about ''how'' the ex-German Lim-5Ps ended up in an African country in the '80s, Guinea-Bissau continued using these Lim-5Ps until 2011.
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]], is a Polish license-produced copy of the Soviet MiG-17PF exported to East Germany. The aircraft is substantially different from other [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17s]] in the game, and draws from similarities of multiple MiG aircraft in-game rather than a specific variant. The Lim-5P trades its 37 mm for a extra 23 mm gun, giving it a uniform gun selection of three 23 mm guns, making gun handling on this aircraft far easier than its other MiG-17 siblings which have a 37 mm with different ammo and velocities thrown into the mix. The aircraft also has the VK-1F engine, an afterburning variant of the VK-1 which is also found on the Chinese [[Shenyang F-5]] in-game. Finally, the biggest difference in the Lim-5P which no other MiG-17 in-game has, is the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system, similar to that found on the [[MiG-19PT]], which is unique due to having separate search and track antenna arrays, allowing the radar to achieve a early form of "Track While Scan" capability, commonly found on high rank 4th generation fighter jets instead.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]], is a Polish license-produced copy of the Soviet MiG-17PF exported to East Germany. The aircraft is substantially different from most other [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17s]] in the game, and draws from similarities of multiple MiG aircraft in-game rather than a specific variant. The Lim-5P trades its 37 mm for a extra 23 mm gun, giving it a uniform gun selection of three 23 mm guns, making gun handling on this aircraft far easier than its other MiG-17 siblings which have a 37 mm with different ammo and velocities thrown into the mix. The aircraft also has the VK-1F engine, an afterburning variant of the VK-1 which is also found on the Chinese [[Shenyang F-5]] in-game. Finally, the biggest difference in the Lim-5P is the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system similar to that found on the [[MiG-19PT]], which is unique due to having separate search and track antenna arrays, allowing the radar to achieve a early form of "Track While Scan" capability, commonly found on high rank 4th generation fighter jets instead.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-In 1955, Poland bought the license to produce the Soviet [[MiG-17]] (and all its subsequent variants) indigenously. The aircraft received the designation Licencyjny Myśliwiec ''("Licensed Fighter")'' 5, or just '''Lim-5''' for short. One variant in particular appeared in 1956, being a licensed copy of the '''MiG-17PF''' equipped with not only an afterburning variant of the VK-1 engine, but also the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system in the nose. This variant was named the '''Lim-5P''', and 129 were built in this variant before production of the Lim-5 ceased in 1960 in favour of the upgraded Lim-6. The Polish Lim-5s were exported to many countries due to their cheaper price than the Soviet originals, seeing service with countries in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and the Warsaw Pact. The most interesting user of the Lim-5 was Guinea-Bissau, a very small country on the Western coast of Africa. While there isn't much known about ''how'' the ex-German Lim-5Ps ended up in an African country in the '80s, Guinea-Bissau continued using these Lim-5Ps until 2011.
+In 1955, Poland bought the license to produce the Soviet [[MiG-17]] (and all its subsequent variants) indigenously. The aircraft received the designation Licencyjny Myśliwiec ''("Licensed Fighter")'' 5, or just Lim-5 for short. One variant in particular appeared in 1956, being a licensed copy of the MiG-17PF equipped with not only an afterburning variant of the VK-1 engine, but also the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system in the nose. This variant was named the '''Lim-5P''', and 129 were built in this variant before production of the Lim-5 ceased in 1960 in favour of the upgraded Lim-6. The Polish Lim-5s were exported to many countries due to their cheaper price than the Soviet originals, seeing service with countries in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and the Warsaw Pact. The most interesting user of the Lim-5 was Guinea-Bissau, a very small country on the Western coast of Africa. While there isn't much known about ''how'' the ex-German Lim-5Ps ended up in an African country in the '80s, Guinea-Bissau continued using these Lim-5Ps until 2011.
 The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]], is a Polish license-produced copy of the Soviet MiG-17PF exported to East Germany. The aircraft is substantially different from other [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17s]] in the game, and draws from similarities of multiple MiG aircraft in-game rather than a specific variant. The Lim-5P trades its 37 mm for a extra 23 mm gun, giving it a uniform gun selection of three 23 mm guns, making gun handling on this aircraft far easier than its other MiG-17 siblings which have a 37 mm with different ammo and velocities thrown into the mix. The aircraft also has the VK-1F engine, an afterburning variant of the VK-1 which is also found on the Chinese [[Shenyang F-5]] in-game. Finally, the biggest difference in the Lim-5P which no other MiG-17 in-game has, is the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system, similar to that found on the [[MiG-19PT]], which is unique due to having separate search and track antenna arrays, allowing the radar to achieve a early form of "Track While Scan" capability, commonly found on high rank 4th generation fighter jets instead.

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->In 1955, Poland bought the license to produce the Soviet [[MiG-17]] (and all its subsequent variants) indeginously. The aircraft recieved the designation Licencyjny Myśliwiec ''("Licensed Fighter")'' 5, or just '''Lim-5''' for short. One variant in particular appeared in 1956, being a licensed copy of the '''MiG-17PF''' equipped with not only an afterburning variant of the VK-1 engine, but also the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system in the nose. This variant was named the '''Lim-5P''', and 129 were built in this variant before production of the Lim-5 ceased in 1960 in favor of the upgraded Lim-6. The Polish Lim-5s were exported to many countries due to their cheaper price than the Soviet originals, seeing service with countries in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and the Warsaw Pact. The most interesting user of the Lim-5 was Guinea-Bissau, a very small country on the Western coast of Africa. While there isnt much known about ''how'' the ex-German Lim-5Ps ended up in an African country in the '80s, Guinea-Bissau continued using these Lim-5Ps until 2011.
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]], is a Polish license produced copy of the Soviet MiG-17PF exported to East Germany. The aircraft is substantially different from other [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17s]] in the game, and draws from similarities of multiple MiG aircraft ingame rather than a specific variant. The Lim-5P trades its 37mm for a extra 23mm gun, giving it a uniform gun selection of three 23mm guns, making gun handling on this aircraft far easier than its other MiG-17 siblings which have a 37mm with different ammo and velocities thrown into the mix. The aircraft also has the VK-1F engine, an afterburning variant of the VK-1 which is also found on the Chinese [[Shenyang F-5]] ingame. Finally, the biggest difference in the Lim-5P which no other MiG-17 ingame has, is the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system, similar to that found on the [[MiG-19PT]], which is unique due to having seperate search and track antenna arrays, allowing the radar to achieve a early form of "Track While Scan" capability, commonly found on high rank 4th generation fighter jets instead.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]], is a Polish license-produced copy of the Soviet MiG-17PF exported to East Germany. The aircraft is substantially different from other [[MiG-17 (Family)|MiG-17s]] in the game, and draws from similarities of multiple MiG aircraft in-game rather than a specific variant. The Lim-5P trades its 37 mm for a extra 23 mm gun, giving it a uniform gun selection of three 23 mm guns, making gun handling on this aircraft far easier than its other MiG-17 siblings which have a 37 mm with different ammo and velocities thrown into the mix. The aircraft also has the VK-1F engine, an afterburning variant of the VK-1 which is also found on the Chinese [[Shenyang F-5]] in-game. Finally, the biggest difference in the Lim-5P which no other MiG-17 in-game has, is the [[RP-5|RP-5 Izumrud]] radar system, similar to that found on the [[MiG-19PT]], which is unique due to having separate search and track antenna arrays, allowing the radar to achieve a early form of "Track While Scan" capability, commonly found on high rank 4th generation fighter jets instead.
 == General info ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]].
-The Lim-5P (LI''cencyjny Myśliwiec; Licensed Fighter)'' is a Polish built MiG-17PF in East-German service. Compared to the [[MiG-17]] in the Soviet tech tree, the MiG-17PF/{{PAGENAME}} features an airborne radar to search for aerial targets, an afterburning engine, and a uniform armament with three 23 mm cannons. While players of China's [[Shenyang F-5]] will find the performance very similar thanks to the afterburner, the Lim-5P has 3 x 23 mm cannons and no missiles. Although the 23 mm guns have more ammo, players might need more practice to utilize this jet properly.
+The Lim-5P (LI''cencyjny Myśliwiec; Licensed Fighter)'' is a Polish built MiG-17PF in East-German service. Compared to the [[MiG-17]] in the Soviet tech tree, the MiG-17PF/{{PAGENAME}} features an airborne radar to search for aerial targets, an afterburning engine, and a uniform armament with three 23 mm cannons. While players of China's [[Shenyang F-5]] will find the performance very similar thanks to the afterburner, the Lim-5P has 3 x 23 mm cannons and no missiles. Although the 23 mm guns have more ammo, players might need more practice to utilize this jet properly.
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 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
+| 1,150 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
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-| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || N/A
+| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || -
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 MiG-17 equivalent for the DDR line fighters is the best description for Lim-5P; it is the Polish licensed version of MiG-17PF and this also marks its identity as a all-weather interceptor with a RP-5 radar. It might not be very reliable due to its electronics, but 8 km detection range at higher altitude does also gives players an edge on spotting enemies beforehand; this is especially true in SB since who spot first really matters in this case (but do make sure the target is indeed an enemy). Another feature of Lim-5P is the VK-1F afterburner turbojet engine, players of [[Shenyang F-5]] will soon find themselves at home as this further boost its capability to chase down enemies with lower energy or altitude with ease, sometimes even handling supersonic jets in dire.
 However, players will also find the similar flaws from his cousins: control surfaces lock up and subpar roll rate at higher speeds. Be sure to check the speeds before chasing down enemies or players will meet their demise quickly; do beware of jets with missiles when doing dogfights, since the heat from the afterburner is high, turn it off for better odds to dodge the missile. Meanwhile, it has 3 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons instead of the conventional 2 x 23 mm and a 37 mm N-37D config for lighter weight during interception missions and also higher ammo count; to some players it means more rounds to sparse, while some consider it as a big nerf from his cousins since the 23 mm rounds don't fly as straight as their NATO counterparts and some might prefer having a 37 mm for an instant-kill. Trigger discipline is still essential for this jet (300 rounds in total) to make sure the best efficiency can be achieved- it is still an autocannon, after all.
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 * Compresses at high speeds
 * 23 mm cannons have subpar velocity
 * Lacks ground-attack ordnances
 == History ==

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 * 3 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, chin-mounted (100 rpg = 300 total)
-Different from its cousins in other trees, the Lim-5P replaced the nose 37 mm N-37D cannon for a third 23 mm NR-23 instead; perhaps there is some weight reduction in this case but it is also a decrease in overall firepower. For players who find 23 mm sometimes unreliable, they should spend time to practice its ballistics and make sure every shot counts; 100 rounds per gun is not as forgiving as NATO jets.
+Different from its cousins in other trees, the Lim-5P replaced the nose-mounted 37 mm N-37D cannon for a third 23 mm NR-23 instead; perhaps there is some weight reduction in this case but it is also a decrease in overall firepower. For players who find the 23 mm cannon sometimes unreliable, they should spend time to practice its ballistics and make sure every shot counts; 100 rounds per gun is not as forgiving as NATO jets.
 == Usage in battles ==

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