Leopard 2 PL - Revision history

U136146036: /* Survivability and armour */ Determined that the 2A4's turret was not absolutely impenetrable even compared to rounds found at its own BR, also due to the additions of the Object 292 and the 120S.

2024-07-08T02:38:29Z

‎Survivability and armour: Determined that the 2A4's turret was not absolutely impenetrable even compared to rounds found at its own BR, also due to the additions of the Object 292 and the 120S.

U30782114: changed leclerc aiming zone was "Literally penetrable anywhere by APFSDS" but with armor analysis and test i changed it to be more accurate

2023-12-15T04:42:26Z

changed leclerc aiming zone was "Literally penetrable anywhere by APFSDS" but with armor analysis and test i changed it to be more accurate

U35583720: Since the update that got pusahed out today, the thermals on this vehicle got changed from 2nd to 3rd gen, which makes it so that the pros and cons are now updated.

2023-10-31T11:49:08Z

Since the update that got pusahed out today, the thermals on this vehicle got changed from 2nd to 3rd gen, which makes it so that the pros and cons are now updated.

U44629479: Edits

2023-10-21T18:26:06Z

Edits

U136146036: /* Pros and cons */ Fixed grammatical mistakes in Pros and Cons, and reiterated some points.

2023-10-14T02:21:42Z

‎Pros and cons: Fixed grammatical mistakes in Pros and Cons, and reiterated some points.

U44629479: Undo revision 174238 by U41471300 (talk)

2023-10-10T04:11:36Z

Undo revision 174238 by U41471300 (talk)

U41471300: Added in-game Leopard 2PL skins

2023-10-09T13:46:47Z

Added in-game Leopard 2PL skins

U120559972: /* Pros and cons */ changed the wording of some points and added the better apfsds dm43 as a Pro

2023-09-24T18:09:51Z

‎Pros and cons: changed the wording of some points and added the better apfsds dm43 as a Pro

U38088265: Reverted edits by U155225389 (talk) to last revision by U74396666

2023-09-22T07:53:33Z

Reverted edits by U155225389 (talk) to last revision by U74396666

U155225389: Majk

2023-09-22T01:45:07Z

Majk

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 === Survivability and armour ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
-<!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->The Leopard 2PL features the strongest turret for the Leopard 2 series in game so far due to the turret armor package, negating the issues the 2A4's turret face may have had in a full uptier to 11.3. Unlike the [[Strv 122A]] and the [[Strv 122B PLSS]] however, it still retains the mediocre hull armor of the Leopard 2 and Improved series, being unable to stop most shells at its BR. Unlike the Leopard 2 Improved however,  the 2PL does not have a redesigned turret face, meaning that it retains the same turret weakspots as the Leopard 2A4, such as the Gunner Primary Sight and the gun mantlet. However, unlike the 2A4, due to the additional composite screen, the gun mantlet is no longer an issue against chemical projectiles such as 3BK18M, but is still penetrable by most APFSDS found at this BR.
+<!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->The Leopard 2PL features the strongest turret for the Leopard 2 series in game so far due to the turret armor package, negating some of the issues of the original 2A4. Unlike the [[Strv 122A]] and the [[Strv 122B PLSS]] however, it still retains the mediocre hull armor of the Leopard 2 and Improved series, being unable to stop most shells at its BR. Unlike the Leopard 2 Improved however,  the 2PL does not have a redesigned turret face, meaning that it retains the same turret weakspots as the Leopard 2A4, such as the Gunner Primary Sight and the gun mantlet. However, unlike the 2A4, due to the additional composite screen, the gun mantlet is no longer an issue against chemical projectiles such as 3BK18M, but is still penetrable by most APFSDS found at this BR.
 The 2PL is also able to withstand more than one hit from CL3143, DM53 and 9M119 to the turret face. As opposed to Leopard 2 Improved models (2A5, 2A6, 122), which can typically only withstand a high powered shell to the turret since the additional composite wedge is likely to have been blown off. This changes with the 2PL. Due to the additional armor package being modeled as a permanent part of the tank, the turret face is able to withstand multiple hits from 9M119 and CL3143 and DM53 at any ranges. Moving to turret's add-on side armour, it is able to withstand hits from chemical penetrators up to 400mms, gradually increasing as we move towards the turret front, where a additional wedge from the Leopard 2 Improved can be found mounted on top of the add-on armor over the gunner's position and cannon breech, resulting in around 1500mms of protection against chemical projectiles and 1000mms of protection against kinetic penetrators in some areas, even being able to negate some top tier APFSDS such as 3BM60.

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 *[[Strv 121]]: Hull and turret face can be penetrated by DM33.
 *[[Strv 122A]]/[[Strv 122B PLSS]]: Hull front impenetrable by DM33 unless MEXAS armour package is destroyed. Turret can be penetrated if additional composite screens are blown off
-*[[Leclerc]]/[[Leclerc S2]]: Literally penetrable anywhere by APFSDS.
+*[[Leclerc]]/[[Leclerc S2]]: Avoid aiming at the commander side of the turret even with DM43 APFSDS.
 *[[Challenger 2]]: LFP, breech, and driver's port.

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 * Better APFSDS shell (DM43) than other Leopard 2A4s
 * Excellent mobility
-* Has access to 2nd generation thermals for both the gunner and commander
+* Has access to 3rd generation thermals for both the gunner and commander
 '''Cons:'''

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 * Good turret armour
 * Effective gun
-* Better APFSDS Shell (DM43) than other Leopard 2A4s
+* Better APFSDS shell (DM43) than other Leopard 2A4s
-*Excellent mobility
+* Excellent mobility
-*Has access to 2nd generation thermals for both the gunner and commander
+* Has access to 2nd generation thermals for both the gunner and commander
 '''Cons:'''
 * Same turret weaknesses as the 2A4, minus the gun mantlet specifically against chemical penetrators.
-* Unreliable hull armor.
+* Unreliable hull armour
-* The Leopard 2A4's typical gunner-sight optic is still present.
+* The Leopard 2A4's typical gunner-sight optic is still present
-* DM43 with ~540mms of penetration is adequate, but lacking at the 2PL's battle rating (11.3).
+* DM43 APFSDS shell is lacking penetration for the battle rating
 == History ==
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 ;Images
 <gallery mode="packed" heights="150">
-File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 01.jpg|
+File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 01.jpg
-File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 02.jpg|
+File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 02.jpg
-File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 03.jpg|
+File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 03.jpg
-File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 04.jpg|
+File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 04.jpg
-File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 05.jpg|
+File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 05.jpg
-File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 06.jpg|
+File:Leopard 2 PL WTWallpaper 06.jpg
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 * Good turret armour
 * Effective gun
-* Better APFSDS Shell (DM43) then the other leopard 2A4s
+* Better APFSDS Shell (DM43) than other Leopard 2A4s
-* Good mobility
+*Excellent mobility
-* Has access to 2nd generation thermals for both the gunner and commander
+*Has access to 2nd generation thermals for both the gunner and commander
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Same turret weaknesses as the 2A4, minus the gun mantlet specifically against chemical penetrators.
 * Unreliable hull armor.
-* The Leopard 2A4 typical gunner-sight optic is still present.
+* The Leopard 2A4's typical gunner-sight optic is still present.
 == History ==

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:11, 10 October 2023
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	;Skins		;Skins
−	~~<gallery mode="packed" widths="300" heights="169" perrow="4">~~
−	~~File:Leop2PL camo green.png\|Default green camo~~
−	~~File:Leop2PL camo desert.png\|Basic desert camo~~
−	~~File:Leop2PL tricolor camo.png\|Tricolor camo - Tricolor camouflage of the Polish armed forces~~
−	~~File:Leop2PL 3 tone carc camo.png\|Three-tone CARC camo~~
−	~~File:Leop2PL winter camo.png\|Standard winter camo~~
−	~~File:Leop2Pl digi camo.png\|Digital camo - Digital camouflage of the Polish armed forces~~
−	~~File:Leop2PL user camo 1.png\|(Historical) 1st Armored Brigade 'Warsaw', testing of 2PL's thermal imaging systems, February 2021~~
−	~~</gallery>~~

	* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_leopard_2pl Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]		* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_leopard_2pl Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:46, 9 October 2023
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	;Skins		;Skins
		+	<gallery mode="packed" widths="300" heights="169" perrow="4">
		+	File:Leop2PL camo green.png\|Default green camo
		+	File:Leop2PL camo desert.png\|Basic desert camo
		+	File:Leop2PL tricolor camo.png\|Tricolor camo - Tricolor camouflage of the Polish armed forces
		+	File:Leop2PL 3 tone carc camo.png\|Three-tone CARC camo
		+	File:Leop2PL winter camo.png\|Standard winter camo
		+	File:Leop2Pl digi camo.png\|Digital camo - Digital camouflage of the Polish armed forces
		+	File:Leop2PL user camo 1.png\|(Historical) 1st Armored Brigade 'Warsaw', testing of 2PL's thermal imaging systems, February 2021
		+	</gallery>

	* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_leopard_2pl Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]		* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_leopard_2pl Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

← Older revision		Revision as of 07:53, 22 September 2023
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	{{Squadron ground vehicles}}		{{Squadron ground vehicles}}
−	~~__INDEX__~~

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	{{Squadron ground vehicles}}		{{Squadron ground vehicles}}
		+	__INDEX__