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 == Description ==
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-The '''Leichte Schnellboote 3''' (lit. "Light Fast Boat 3"), or '''LS 3''' for short, was one of the 12 of the ''LS''-class of fast torpedo boat originally ordered by the Kriegsmarine as an ultra-light version of the larger ''S''-class fast torpedo boat. The ''LS''-class is intended to be carried on board various auxiliary cruisers operating overseas, and to supplement their convoy raiding operations. The ''LS 3'' was one of the first three boats of the class, being completed on 14 October 1940 at Dornier Werft shipyard. The ''LS 3'' was later assigned to the auxiliary cruiser ''Komoran'', which went on to sunk 10 merchant vessels and capturing one of them. After a year of duty, on 19 November 1941, the ''LS 3'' was destroyed along with its mothership ''Komoran'' in the fateful battle against the Australian cruiser ''HMAS Sydney'', which resulted into both ship being sunk.
+The '''Leichte Schnellboote 3''' (lit. "Light Fast Boat 3"), or '''LS 3''' for short, was one of the 12 ''LS''-class fast torpedo boats originally ordered by the Kriegsmarine as an ultra-light version of the larger ''S''-class fast torpedo boat. The ''LS''-class was intended to be carried on-board various auxiliary cruisers operating overseas, and to supplement their convoy raiding operations. The ''LS 3'' was one of the first three boats of the class, being completed on 14 October 1940 at Dornier Werft shipyard. The ''LS 3'' was later assigned to the auxiliary cruiser ''Komoran'', which went on to sink 10 merchant vessels and capture one of them. After a year of duty, on 19 November 1941, the ''LS 3'' was destroyed along with its mothership ''Komoran'' in the fateful battle against the Australian cruiser ''HMAS Sydney'', which resulted into both sides being sunk.
-Introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]] as part of the fleet closed beta test. The '''LS 3''' is, at the first glance, a rather unassuming reserve torpedo boat, equipped with only a single 15 mm machine gun and a pair of an average torpedoes. However, despite its status as a reserve vehicle, the LS 3 is capable of causing havoc against enemy teams and even capable of going toe-to-toe against larger and more advanced vessels at a higher BR using a combination of excellent mobility, very small profile, and a fast-firing gun with excellent penetration and coverage. As with any low-tier PT boats, the LS 3's survivability is quite poor, though this can be mitigated by always facing your front at the enemy while also keep an eye on the surroundings. In addition, while the gun has plenty of ammo count per magazine with very good traverse, it can still overheats very easily, and as such trigger discipline would be vital to the success of the LS 3.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]] as part of the fleet closed beta test, the '''LS 3''' is, at first glance, a rather unassuming reserve torpedo boat, equipped with only a single 15 mm machine gun and a pair of average torpedoes. However, despite its status as a reserve vehicle, the LS 3 is capable of causing havoc against enemy teams and even capable of going toe-to-toe against larger and more advanced vessels at a higher BR with a combination of excellent mobility, very small profile, and a fast-firing gun with excellent penetration and coverage. As with any low-tier PT boats, the LS 3's survivability is quite poor, though this can be mitigated by always facing your front at the enemy while also keeping an eye on the surroundings. In addition, while the gun has plenty of ammo count per magazine with very good traverse, it can still overheat very easily, and as such trigger discipline is vital to the success of the LS 3.
 == General info ==

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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} German motor torpedo boat {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]] as part of the fleet closed beta test.
+The '''Leichte Schnellboote 3''' (lit. "Light Fast Boat 3"), or '''LS 3''' for short, was one of the 12 of the ''LS''-class of fast torpedo boat originally ordered by the Kriegsmarine as an ultra-light version of the larger ''S''-class fast torpedo boat. The ''LS''-class is intended to be carried on board various auxiliary cruisers operating overseas, and to supplement their convoy raiding operations. The ''LS 3'' was one of the first three boats of the class, being completed on 14 October 1940 at Dornier Werft shipyard. The ''LS 3'' was later assigned to the auxiliary cruiser ''Komoran'', which went on to sunk 10 merchant vessels and capturing one of them. After a year of duty, on 19 November 1941, the ''LS 3'' was destroyed along with its mothership ''Komoran'' in the fateful battle against the Australian cruiser ''HMAS Sydney'', which resulted into both ship being sunk.
 == General info ==

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 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
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-The LS 3 has no proper armour to speak of, any shell will piece the hull like a knife through butter. However, the boat's interior is quite spaced and despite the crew of 7 is all located at the front, the bridge can soak a good amount of frontal damage and protect the crew and modules from machine gun-calibre rounds (that are very common in its BR). With an ace crew, it can still remain afloat even with only 3 crews left.
+The LS 3 has no proper armour to speak of, any shell will pierce the hull like a knife through butter. However, the boat's interior is quite spaced and despite the crew of 7 is all located at the front, the bridge can soak a good amount of frontal damage and protect the crew and modules from machine gun-calibre rounds (that are very common in its BR). With an ace crew, it can still remain afloat even with only 3 crews left.
 Still, the paper-thin armour of the LS 3 made it incredibly vulnerable against larger calibre rounds that only a nearby blast from these big guns can deal serious or even fatal damage.

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 * 1 x 15 mm MG 151 cannon (2 x 600 rounds)
 The 15 mm MG 151 is the same gun found on the rank IV [[VS-10]] and it is one of the deadliest weapon in the game. It has an insane fire rate of 750 rounds per minute, which means it can take small boats and aircraft at its BR in seconds. On top of that, the 15 mm gun is loaded with an impressive API shell that can penetrate up to 33 mm at point blank and 17 mm at optimal range (~1,750 m) and is capable of setting fire when scoring a hit, and HEF shell that can deal a good amount of damage against lightly armoured ship and aircraft, as well as gun being mounted on a 360° turret with no blind spot. This made the tiny LS 3 capable to put up a good fight against enemy boats from much higher BR with an exception of armoured boats and barges
 There are three ammunition types available:
-* '''Universal''': {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}
+* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}
-* '''15 mm APIT belt''': {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}
+* '''15 mm APIT belts:''' {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}
-* '''15 mm HEIT bel'''t: {{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T*|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}
+* '''15 mm HEIT belts:''' {{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T*|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}
 Like the AN/M2 MG, this gun has large belt capacity of 600 rounds, and long reloading time. However, this cannon overheats easily, and it has very limited overall ammo stock of 1,200 rounds, so trigger discipline is a key to effectively use this weapon.

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 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
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-The LS 3 has no armour to speak of, any shell will piece the hull like a knife through the butter. However, the boat's interior is quite spaced and despite the crew of 7 is all located at the front, the bridge can soak a good amount of frontal damage and protect the crew and modules from machine gun-calibre rounds (that is very common in its BR). With an ace crew, it can still remain afloat even with only 3 crews left.
+The LS 3 has no proper armour to speak of, any shell will piece the hull like a knife through butter. However, the boat's interior is quite spaced and despite the crew of 7 is all located at the front, the bridge can soak a good amount of frontal damage and protect the crew and modules from machine gun-calibre rounds (that are very common in its BR). With an ace crew, it can still remain afloat even with only 3 crews left.
-Still, the paper-thin armour of the LS 3 made it incredibly vulnerable against larger calibre rounds that only an nearby blast from these big guns can deal a serious damage or even knock out the ship in one shot.
+Still, the paper-thin armour of the LS 3 made it incredibly vulnerable against larger calibre rounds that only a nearby blast from these big guns can deal serious or even fatal damage.
 Survivability is taking advantage of its small size and manoeuvrability, and being extremely tactical in attack vectors. Avoid engagement as long as possible then strike fast and hard. While it can take a good deal of damage from rounds up to 40 mm, it is big guns with HE rounds found at BR 2.0 that are your greatest threat. The vulnerability in this unarmoured tub is the side, limit exposure as much as possible. Hits on the bow or stern are manageable, minimal crew loss, giving you more time to press your attack. Damage is repaired fast and dries out faster. Again, avoid exposing your side to big cannons as they are often a 1 shot fatality!
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 ====Enemies worth noting:====
 * [[MPK-163]], [[SC-497]], [[HMCS Brantford]]: These submarine chasers are commonly found in basic uptier match (this means you can still face them outside of mixed battle with bluewater fleets). While these ship are quite large and lack any armour to shield off LS 3's guns, their large profile acts as a bullet sponge that is capable of soaking hundreds of rounds with relatively survivable crew loss and allowing them to fight back. These sub-chasers were also carried with large-calibre autocannons that is almost always lethal when being hit. Always make sure to have someone cover your back to cripple them with your gun before get close enough to finish them off with torpedoes.
 * [[Pr.1124 late]], [[SF40 Light]]: These armoured boats and barges are commonly found in mixed battles with bluewater fleets. Unlike the aforementioned sub-chaser, most of them were impervious to your 15 mm gun and nearly impossible to destroy without torpedoes and/or artillery strikes. However, these platforms were tend to be very slow, thus making them very vulnerable against your torpedoes. Still, they are still able to execute tight turns to evade your torpedoes from up to 800 m away. The best way to kill them is sneaking from outside of their line of sight or using "weaving" method to avoid their incoming fire before launching torpedoes at point blank range (250-300 m).
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 * Long reload time
 * Low ammo count overall; limited to two magazines
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=germ_ls_class Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[LS 4 Esau]]

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 There are three ammunition types available:
-* Universal: {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}{{-}}{{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}
+* '''Universal''': {{Annotation|API-T|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF|High-explosive fragmentation}}
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 ! colspan="10" | Penetration statistics

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 == Usage in battles ==
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-The LS 3 is arguably the best overall reserve unit in-game. While it only possesses a single 15 mm cannon it is also one of the best weapons in-game (as it was the same gun mounted on the rank IV [[VS-10]])  mounted high on a full 360° rotation turret with a gracious 90° elevation and whopping 30° depression with no blind spots or dead zone. In short, the gun has better coverage than 2, or even 3 guns on other boats, and the bonus is the best AP round of its class. Combine its high top speed, two 450 mm torpedoes, and artillery strike call it is capable of hitting well above its BR.
+The LS 3 is arguably the best overall reserve unit in-game. While it only possesses a single 15 mm cannon it is also one of the best weapons in-game (as it was the same gun mounted on the rank IV [[VS-10]]) mounted high on a full 360° rotation turret with a gracious 90° elevation and whopping 30° depression with no blind spots or dead zone. In short, the gun has better coverage than 2, or even 3 guns on other boats, and the bonus is the best AP round of its class. Combine its high top speed, two 450 mm torpedoes, and artillery strike call it is capable of hitting well above its BR.
 Success in-game is using the MG 151 correctly. Trigger discipline is absolutely necessary as the gun can overheat very fast and ruin your sortie right there; use 1/2 second bursts unless point blank kill strike. As the MG heats up its precision falls. Up to 1/4 hot is pin point, as it gets 1/2 hot round the rounds start spreading and over that you can see rounds fly everywhere. Range wise one can hit targets at 1,750 m with cold barrel and deal a considerable damage. Best is to be less than 800 m were the accuracy and power rip your targets apart.
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 What it lacks in the protection area it makes up in mobility. The LS 3 is second to only the [[G-5]] in terms of speed. This in tandem with its incredibly tight turning circle and slim profile, makes the LS 3 very well suited for cover hopping and flanking capture points. Use its speed to sneak in to capture points and rush at vessels not paying attention. Its high top speed also makes it useful to rush cap points at the beginning of a match. That being said, be careful not to overextend, or you will find yourself overwhelmed very quickly. Instead, use its superior speed to be the first to reach a capture point then hide behind an island, selectively engaging enemies that come into the line of sight.
-''Don't forget your smoke and artillery!'' Both are incredibly useful to prevent enemies from hitting you. Although a really small target, large cannon (50 mm+) ships have a good chance at hitting you well outside your guns range. Significant threats are the Japanese dual [[40 mm/62 Vickers (40 mm)|40 mm Type 91 AA]] and [[Bofors L/60 Mark 1 (40 mm)|Bofors 40 mm]], and at closer range a battery of 20 mm cannons, like on a [[165 ft PC-451|PC-451]] or [[S-100 (1945)|S-100]]. The sides of the LS are the most vulnerable, so facing directly at the enemy as much as possible.
+Don't forget your smoke and artillery! Both are incredibly useful to prevent enemies from hitting you. Although a really small target, large cannon (50 mm+) ships have a good chance at hitting you well outside your guns range. Significant threats are the Japanese dual [[40 mm/62 Vickers (40 mm)|40 mm Type 91 AA]] and [[Bofors L/60 Mark 1 (40 mm)|Bofors 40 mm]], and at closer range a battery of 20 mm cannons, like on a [[PC-451]] or [[S-100]]. The sides of the LS are the most vulnerable, so facing directly at the enemy as much as possible.
 ====Enemies worth noting:====
-* [[MPK-163]], [[110 ft SC-497]], [[Flower class (K-218)]]: These submarine chasers are commonly found in basic uptier match (this means you can still face them outside of mixed battle with bluewater fleets). While these ship are quite large and lack any armour to shield off LS 3's guns, their large profile acts as a bullet sponge that is capable of soaking hundreds of rounds with relatively survivable crew loss and allowing them to fight back. These sub-chasers were also carried with large-calibre autocannons that is almost always lethal when being hit. Always make sure to have someone cover your back to cripple them with your gun before get close enough to finish them off with torpedoes.
+* [[MPK-163]], [[SC-497]], [[HMCS Brantford]]: These submarine chasers are commonly found in basic uptier match (this means you can still face them outside of mixed battle with bluewater fleets). While these ship are quite large and lack any armour to shield off LS 3's guns, their large profile acts as a bullet sponge that is capable of soaking hundreds of rounds with relatively survivable crew loss and allowing them to fight back. These sub-chasers were also carried with large-calibre autocannons that is almost always lethal when being hit. Always make sure to have someone cover your back to cripple them with your gun before get close enough to finish them off with torpedoes.
-* [[Pr.1124 (1945)]], [[SF40 Leichte]]: These armoured boats and barges are commonly found in mixed battles with bluewater fleets. Unlike the aforementioned sub-chaser, most of them were impervious to your 15 mm gun and nearly impossible to destroy without torpedoes and/or artillery strikes. However, these platforms were tend to be very slow, thus making them very vulnerable against your torpedoes. Still, they are still able to execute tight turns to evade your torpedoes from up to 800 m away. The best way to kill them is sneaking from outside of their line of sight or using "weaving" method to avoid their incoming fire before launching torpedoes at point blank range (250-300 m).
+* [[Pr.1124 late]], [[SF40 Light]]: These armoured boats and barges are commonly found in mixed battles with bluewater fleets. Unlike the aforementioned sub-chaser, most of them were impervious to your 15 mm gun and nearly impossible to destroy without torpedoes and/or artillery strikes. However, these platforms were tend to be very slow, thus making them very vulnerable against your torpedoes. Still, they are still able to execute tight turns to evade your torpedoes from up to 800 m away. The best way to kill them is sneaking from outside of their line of sight or using "weaving" method to avoid their incoming fire before launching torpedoes at point blank range (250-300 m).
 === Pros and cons ===
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 At the time the desired engines (Daimer-Benz Maybachs) were not available thus forced to used less powerful Jumo 205 Diesels, and neither were the torpedoes. Instead of torpedo boats they became minelayers, and combined with other issues resulted in disappointing performance and the idea was put on hold at start of war in Europe.
-The next year the idea was revisited, this time Dornier's all metal boat was chosen, Daimler-Benz MB 507 light Diesel engines and so were 45 cm torpedoes. In addition a new MG 151 15mm cannon was installed in a turret on the roof. Two were built, the LS 3 (delivered on October 10th, 1940) and LS 4. There is a deviation from historical and game at this point, as the records indicate the LS 3 carried 4 mines, not torpedoes, and the LS 4 would also have 15 mm cannon, not 20 mm (but the MG 151 was interchangeable, so would be easy to upgrade to 20 mm MG151/20).
+The next year the idea was revisited, this time Dornier's all metal boat was chosen, Daimler-Benz MB 507 light Diesel engines and so were 45 cm torpedoes. In addition a new 15 mm MG 151 cannon was installed in a turret on the roof. Two were built, the LS 3 (delivered on October 10th, 1940) and LS 4. There is a deviation from historical and game at this point, as the records indicate the LS 3 carried 4 mines, not torpedoes, and the LS 4 would also have 15 mm cannon, not 20 mm (but the MG 151 was interchangeable, so would be easy to upgrade to 20 mm MG151/20).
 Over the years a total of 12 LS was built, with both Jumo 205 and Daimler-Benz MB 507, the latter carrying torpedoes. Surviving combat records place operations in the Aegean, Mediterranean, and Black Sea areas. Fate of the boats is lost, but it seems that at least one, LS 12, was captured and used by the Soviets after war.