Ki-84 ko - Revision history

U44629479: Undo revision 181525 by U135914900 (talk)

2024-02-10T15:02:36Z

Undo revision 181525 by U135914900 (talk)

U135914900: An outdated piece of info related to a matchup against a different plane, simply wrote about it in a bracket to mention that the said info is outdated but didn't change any of the core info on the page. Take care :)

2024-02-09T05:47:16Z

An outdated piece of info related to a matchup against a different plane, simply wrote about it in a bracket to mention that the said info is outdated but didn't change any of the core info on the page. Take care :)

U44629479: Edits

2022-12-10T08:29:37Z

Edits

U21187496: /* Manual Engine Control */ Added MEC settings

2022-12-10T00:20:57Z

‎Manual Engine Control: Added MEC settings

U21187496: /* Pros and cons */ Neither it is 500kmh IAS and neither is severe, plane remains reasonably responsive up to 800 kmh IAS with noticeable improve when under 650km/h IAS

2022-12-10T00:14:20Z

‎Pros and cons: Neither it is 500kmh IAS and neither is severe, plane remains reasonably responsive up to 800 kmh IAS with noticeable improve when under 650km/h IAS

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ wording

2022-12-09T23:59:24Z

‎Survivability and armour: wording

U21187496: /* Survivability and armour */ Changed value from 6 to 13 to match in-game plane parameters.

2022-12-09T23:58:38Z

‎Survivability and armour: Changed value from 6 to 13 to match in-game plane parameters.

U21187496: /* General info */ After Ho103 belt upgrade, with their IAI rounds, they are better than Ho5 cannons, offering much more reliable damage with superior to them bullet ballistic. Ki84 Ko carries much stronger punch than any USA .50 call only counterpart.

2022-12-09T23:57:17Z

‎General info: After Ho103 belt upgrade, with their IAI rounds, they are better than Ho5 cannons, offering much more reliable damage with superior to them bullet ballistic. Ki84 Ko carries much stronger punch than any USA .50 call only counterpart.

U41943029: /* Usage in battles */

2022-01-17T23:53:07Z

‎Usage in battles

U44629479: Edits

2021-12-10T15:28:11Z

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 The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dogfighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.
-It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]] (edit: Spit F Mk.22 sits at BR 6.7, so no you won't face it but beware that in an uptier you'll still be outclassed by over half the fighters you face), which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dogfight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dogfight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.
+It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dogfight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dogfight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.
 The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.

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 The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dogfighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.
-It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dogfight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dogfight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.
+It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]] (edit: Spit F Mk.22 sits at BR 6.7, so no you won't face it but beware that in an uptier you'll still be outclassed by over half the fighters you face), which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dogfight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dogfight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.
 The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.

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 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
-The Ki-84 ko is the first truly fast aeroplane in the Japanese tech tree. Equipped with a 2,000 hp engine, this aircraft's performance is on par with that of the legendary P-51 Mustang. However, unlike the Mustang, the Ki-84 has slightly better turning characteristics and climb rate thanks to its lighter weight. This being said, the Ki-84 also has good energy retention, so try to make your opponent bleed energy to have an edge. The Ki-84 was also one of the first mass-produced Japanese aircraft to come equipped with armoured glass, armour plates and self-sealing fuel tanks, but the armour is still lacklustre compared to its Russian and American counterparts. However, as always, not everything is perfect. The aircraft controls stiffen significantly at speeds above 630 km/h, making even slight adjustments to heading impossible. Thus, at higher speeds, its elevator suffers. The Ki-84 also suffers a lot when no modules are researched, making the aircraft almost useless until modifications are unlocked.
+The Ki-84 ko is the first truly fast aeroplane in the Japanese tech tree. Equipped with a 2,000 hp engine, this aircraft's performance is on par with that of the legendary P-51 Mustang. However, unlike the Mustang, the Ki-84 has slightly better turning characteristics and climb rate thanks to its lighter weight. This being said, the Ki-84 also has good energy retention, so try to make your opponent bleed energy to have an edge. The Ki-84 was also one of the first mass-produced Japanese aircraft to come equipped with armoured glass, armour plates and self-sealing fuel tanks, but the armour is still lacklustre compared to its Soviet and American counterparts. However, as always, not everything is perfect. The aircraft controls stiffen significantly at speeds above 630 km/h, making even slight adjustments to heading impossible. Thus, at higher speeds, its elevator suffers. The Ki-84 also suffers a lot when no modules are researched, making the aircraft almost useless until modifications are unlocked.
 This aircraft should be played as it appears: a lightweight Japanese version of the Mustang, retaining good engine performance, decent climb-rate, high diving performance, with solid armament.
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 '''Realistic Battles'''
-The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dog fighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.
+The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dogfighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.
-It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dog fight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dog fight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.
+It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dogfight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dogfight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.
 The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.
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 * Set radiators to be open from 15% to 35% depending on map climate.
 * Propeller pitch from 85% in dives to 95% in climb and straight line flight.
-* 2nd gear in supercharger should be used when above ~3400 meters.
+* 2nd gear in supercharger should be used when above ~3,400 m.
 * Set magneto to "1+2" for slight power increase.
 * Mixture was not modeled for this plane.
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 * Much better dive speed than the earlier Ki-61 series
 * Good manoeuvrability at lower speeds
 * Good energy retention
-* Thanks to its lack of canopy frames, a clear all-round canopy view especially over the nose gives it a huge advantage in simulator.
+* Thanks to its lack of canopy frames, a clear all-round canopy view especially over the nose gives it a huge advantage in simulator
-* Center of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike
+* Centre of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike
 * Engine cools down fairly quickly when overheated
 * Simple to use with MEC
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 * Lower maximum dive speed than its American counterparts such as F-82
-* The "jack of all trades, master of none" character of this aircraft makes it difficult to play as pilots will need to adapt their play-style to counter specific aircraft that they are facing, subsequently requiring a fair degree of knowledge over the strengths and weaknesses of each aircraft that they will encounter
+* The "jack of all trades, master of none" character of this aircraft makes it difficult to play as pilots will need to adapt their playstyle to counter specific aircraft that they are facing, subsequently requiring a fair degree of knowledge over the strengths and weaknesses of each aircraft that they will encounter
 * Somewhat vulnerable to damage, don't like to take hits.
 * Reasonably slow roll-rate causing this fighter to be vulnerable against Japanese fighters or the Fw 190's which are the typical opponents

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 === Pros and cons ===

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 * Center of mass is behind main landing gears, allowing it to break continuously until it stops. Does not need to worry about propeller strike
 * Engine cools down fairly quickly when overheated
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Lower maximum dive speed than its American counterparts such as F-82
 * The "jack of all trades, master of none" character of this aircraft makes it difficult to play as pilots will need to adapt their play-style to counter specific aircraft that they are facing, subsequently requiring a fair degree of knowledge over the strengths and weaknesses of each aircraft that they will encounter
-* Unspectacular weaponry
+* Somewhat vulnerable to damage, don't like to take hits.
 * Reasonably slow roll-rate causing this fighter to be vulnerable against Japanese fighters or the Fw 190's which are the typical opponents
-* Severe lock-up of the rudder above 500 km/h renders dive bombing or high speed boom and zoom less effective
+* Lock-up of the rudder above 650 km/h renders dive bombing or high speed boom and zoom less effective
 == History ==

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 * 70 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
-* 13 mm steel behind pilot's head
+* 13 mm steel head-rest
-* 13 mm steel behind pilot
+* 13 mm steel plate behind pilot
 * Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 under pilot's feet, 1 in each wingroot)

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 The Ki-84 ko is the first truly fast aeroplane in the Japanese tech tree. Equipped with a 2,000 hp engine, this aircraft's performance is on par with that of the legendary P-51 Mustang. However, unlike the Mustang, the Ki-84 has slightly better turning characteristics and climb rate thanks to its lighter weight. This being said, the Ki-84 also has good energy retention, so try to make your opponent bleed energy to have an edge. The Ki-84 was also one of the first mass-produced Japanese aircraft to come equipped with armoured glass, armour plates and self-sealing fuel tanks, but the armour is still lacklustre compared to its Russian and American counterparts. However, as always, not everything is perfect. The aircraft controls stiffen significantly at speeds above 630 km/h, making even slight adjustments to heading impossible. Thus, at higher speeds, its elevator suffers. The Ki-84 also suffers a lot when no modules are researched, making the aircraft almost useless until modifications are unlocked.
-This aircraft should be played as it appears: a lightweight Japanese version of the Mustang, retaining good engine performance, decent climb-rate, high diving performance, but relatively lacklustre armament.
+This aircraft should be played as it appears: a lightweight Japanese version of the Mustang, retaining good engine performance, decent climb-rate, high diving performance, with solid armament.
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 The Ki-84 ko is a very good multi-purpose fighter, its capable of energy fighting and sustained dog fighting making it a menace to face with few enemies matching it, it takes a rather skilled pilot to shake these off as they have great turn fighting capabilities, good climb rate and a decent top speed for their BR.
-It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or step dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dog fight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dog fight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.
+It is important to remember that when uptiered, you will be fighting aircraft such as the [[Spitfire F Mk 22]], which is faster both in a straight line and in a shallow or steep dive, the best way to reliable deal with this threat is to coax your enemy into a rolling scissors or sustained dog fight as the Spitfire F Mk 22 does not have a faster turn rate than the Ki-84 ko, alternatively if they do not dog fight and they are above you, you can force an over-shoot with some defensive flying and catch the Spitfire either as it passes or when it starts to go back up into its climb thanks to the Ki-84 ko's good climb rate.
 The Ki-84 ko is not very well armoured at all and should avoid any head on engagements or well defended aircraft such as [[B-24D-25-CO|B-24s]] as it is rather fragile to enemy fire. The weaponry isn't spectacular either and may require a bit of practice as they are rather lacklustre compared to other planes you will fight.
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ki_84_ko Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

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 In Simulator, the Ki-84 is overall a decent plane to fly. It enjoys lovely visibility towards the rear, sides, above, and over the nose, giving the pilot great situational awareness. It has nice handling, good climb rate, great speed and acceleration. Armament-wise, the guns have enough fire rate to put quite a few projectiles into the target in one pass. However the Ki-84's disadvantages are the limited damage, rudder efficiency at high speeds, the rather poor roll rate, and the compass at the front-right of the gunsight that can obstruct your view. This aircraft can be used in BnZ fighting, turn fighting, intercepting (to some extent) and some ground pounding.
-Before taking off, bring at least 30 minutes of fuel for longer patrol time. Set the convergence to around 250 m since your weapons have low velocity, therefore needing more precise aim at longer range. While your Ki-84 roars down the runway, you will notice that it shifts severely to the left, thus you must put rudder input to the right to taxi straight. As with other Ki series aircraft, only elevator trim is available, so when the stick is at its deadzone, the Ki-84 will roll and yaw to the left side. Therefore you always need to pull the stick a little to the right which can get a bit annoying. Usually, trim for around -1% when cruising around 470 km/h, around -5% when diving around 600 km/h, and when fighting at around 400 km/h no negative trim is needed. When carrying the 2x 250kg bombload, no negative trim is needed as well. Landing characteristics are forgiving: cut throttle to make sure you are not above 350 km/h before touchdown. Deploy combat then takeoff flaps to further decelerate in preparation for extending landing gears. Extend at around 260 km/h, control your descend rate throughout. Right before touchdown, deploy landing flaps. The gears are quite sturdy. You can break until the plane reaches full stop and not worry about propeller strike.
+Before taking off, bring at least 30 minutes of fuel for longer patrol time. Set the convergence to around 250 m since your weapons have low velocity, therefore needing more precise aim at longer range. While your Ki-84 roars down the runway, you will notice that it shifts severely to the left, thus you must put rudder input to the right to taxi straight. As with other Ki series aircraft, only elevator trim is available, so when the stick is at its deadzone, the Ki-84 will roll and yaw to the left side. Therefore you always need to pull the stick a little to the right which can get a bit annoying. Usually, trim for around -1% when cruising around 470 km/h, around -5% when diving around 600 km/h, and when fighting at around 400 km/h no negative trim is needed. When carrying the 2 x 250 kg bombload, no negative trim is needed as well. Landing characteristics are forgiving: cut throttle to make sure you are not above 350 km/h before touchdown. Deploy combat then takeoff flaps to further decelerate in preparation for extending landing gears. Extend at around 260 km/h, control your descend rate throughout. Right before touchdown, deploy landing flaps. The gears are quite sturdy. You can break until the plane reaches full stop and not worry about propeller strike.
 For dogfighting, it is always safer to enter with an altitude advantage. Most dogfights in Sim happen around or below 3,000 m so the Ki-84 can easily climb up to that altitude. Once at an advantageous height, boom & zoom the enemies. The Ki-84 can easily accelerate to more than 550 km/h in a dive which is decently fast but requires more precise manoeuvres to get the correct lead, since the faster you go the smaller the shooting window is. Important note: when fighting above 550 km/h, you want to be more precise in the roll and pitch axis, since at this speed the rudder locks up severely, preventing you from making aim adjustments which negatively impacts the lead. You must pretend that your rudder doesn't exist and fully rely on the ailerons and elevators to lead. A successful pass will not usually cripple the enemy given the projectiles' lacklustre damage, so multiple attacks are needed to destroy one plane. Aside from BnZ, the Ki-84 is also excellent at turn fighting - with the appropriate opponent, of course. Except a few dedicated turn fighters, the Ki-84 can out-turn and get on most opponents' tail with combat/takeoff flaps deployed, and can sustain its turning ability throughout the fight. The Ki-84's stable handling allows you to pull some tight manoeuvres, so don't worry too much about flat spins. If you become a prey, try some defensive manoeuvres like barrel rolls or disengage by diving steeply towards a nearby friendly airfield. Note that the Ki-84's roll rate is very average so avoid manoeuvres like scissors.