Kfir C.2 - Revision history

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */

2024-08-26T08:09:01Z

‎Suspended armament

U31139476: Undo revision 188975 by U175933713 (talk) don't put false data

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Undo revision 188975 by U175933713 (talk) don't put false data

U175933713: /* Flight performance */

2024-06-26T13:12:39Z

‎Flight performance

U44629479: Edits

2023-11-23T10:53:01Z

Edits

U28580205 at 12:38, 7 October 2023

2023-10-07T12:38:48Z

U17301481: Added Usage in battles, additional See also links, adjusted Pros and cons

2023-10-06T13:48:45Z

Added Usage in battles, additional See also links, adjusted Pros and cons

U44629479: Edits

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U38088265: /* Custom loadout options */

2023-06-17T17:10:44Z

‎Custom loadout options

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2023-06-17T15:18:27Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* A choice between two presets:
+* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons, belly-mounted (140 rpg = 280 total)
-** 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons, belly-mounted (140 rpg = 280 total)
+* 36 x countermeasures
 === Suspended armament ===
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 | 1 || || || || || || 1
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-| colspan="8" | Maximum permissible loadout weight: 4,295 kg<br>Maximum permissible wing load: 1,500 kg
+! 880 l drop tanks
 |-
 |}
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 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
-* Without load
+* 1 x 880 l drop tank
 * 2 x AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
 * 2 x AIM-9G Sidewinder missiles

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 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
 ! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
-! colspan="2" |8000000
+! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 10,668 m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 ! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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 ! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 |-
-| X || X |||| ✓ || X || ✓     <!-- ✓ -->
+| X || X || X || ✓ || X || ✓     <!-- ✓ -->
 |-
 |}
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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-|60000||6000000|| - || - || - || ~11 || ~4
+| 1,460 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || - || - || ~11 || ~4
 |-
 |}

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 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
 ! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
-! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 10,668 m)
+! colspan="2" |8000000
 ! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 ! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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 ! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 |-
-| X || X || X || ✓ || X || ✓     <!-- ✓ -->
+| X || X |||| ✓ || X || ✓     <!-- ✓ -->
 |-
 |}
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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| 1,460 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || - || - || ~11 || ~4
+|60000||6000000|| - || - || - || ~11 || ~4
 |-
 |}

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 == Usage in battles ==
-<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' --><blockquote>"A quick assassin, right between the Kfir Canard and Kfir C.7"</blockquote>The Kfir C.2, being a derivative of the [[Mirage 5 (Family)|Mirage family]] and a step between the other Kfirs, it naturally plays rather similar. The J-79 engine and delta wings make it achieve stunning speeds both on the deck and at altitude (up to ~1450 kph IAS), as well as give it great angle of attack (AoA) capability, but employing the latter requires one to slow down below the transsonic regime, not least to not compress and to avoid ripping off the wings. This does however make it drastically bleed speed. It is thus advised to stay fast and employ "hit and run" tactics, preying on unsuspecting enemies with the impressive [[Python 3]] missile, only chosing to turn with an opponent when not faced with a hostile 3rd party capitalizing on your low energy state. Even with such a powerful engine, it takes time to recover the lost speed, and coupled with the delta wing characteristics, getting slow is a gamble to carefully consider and long dogfights should always be avoided. Another thing to keep in mind is the high fuel consumption and low amount of fuel the Kfir can carry into battle (max. 27 minutes).
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' --><blockquote>"A quick assassin, right between the Kfir Canard and Kfir C.7"</blockquote>The Kfir C.2, being a derivative of the [[Mirage 5 (Family)|Mirage family]] and a step between the other Kfirs, it naturally plays rather similar. The J-79 engine and delta wings make it achieve stunning speeds both on the deck and at altitude (up to ~1450 km/h IAS), as well as give it great angle of attack (AoA) capability, but employing the latter requires one to slow down below the transsonic regime, not least to not compress and to avoid ripping off the wings. This does however make it drastically bleed speed. It is thus advised to stay fast and employ "hit and run" tactics, preying on unsuspecting enemies with the impressive [[Python 3]] missile, only choosing to turn with an opponent when not faced with a hostile 3rd party capitalizing on your low energy state. Even with such a powerful engine, it takes time to recover the lost speed, and coupled with the delta wing characteristics, getting slow is a gamble to carefully consider and long dogfights should always be avoided. Another thing to keep in mind is the high fuel consumption and low amount of fuel the Kfir can carry into battle (max. 27 minutes).
 ==== Air Realistic Battles (RB) ====
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 ==== Major Threats ====
-Generally speaking, the Kfir can tangle with any foe, only having to fear the likes of the [[F-5E]] and [[F-8E]], as these will usually handle overshooting quite well and climb away whilst the delta winged jet sits below, unable to recover its speed in time. Additionaly, the [[F-8E]] can generally keep up with it and when facing them, one needs extra effort and time to lose them.
+Generally speaking, the Kfir can tangle with any foe, only having to fear the likes of the [[F-5E]] and [[F-8E]], as these will usually handle overshooting quite well and climb away whilst the delta winged jet sits below, unable to recover its speed in time. Additionally, the [[F-8E]] can generally keep up with it and when facing them, one needs extra effort and time to lose them.
-By far the biggest threat are 4th generation fighters [<nowiki/>[[F-16 (Family)]], [[MiG-29]], [[F-14 (Family)]], and [[Mirage 2000 (Family)]]], as they outperform the Kfir in more or less every single aspect. They are rarely matched with it, however, in a maximum uptier they can still be encountered in small numbers. The best defence against them is to have your team in vague proximity to help you; outside of that, the Lion Cub can only defend itself for so long, given the opponent does not make any fatal mistakes.
+By far the biggest threat are 4th generation fighters ([[F-16 (Family)|F-16]], [[MiG-29 (Family)|MiG-29]], [[F-14 (Family)|F-14]], and [[Mirage 2000 (Family)|Mirage 2000]]), as they outperform the Kfir in more or less every single aspect. They are rarely matched with it, however, in a maximum uptier they can still be encountered in small numbers. The best defence against them is to have your team in vague proximity to help you; outside of that, the Lion Cub can only defend itself for so long, given the opponent does not make any fatal mistakes.
-* ''Extra Tip:'' you can turn off your radar-rangefinder by pressing your "radar lock" button. It otherwise warns the enemy, annoys your teammates and is only useful to slave your IR missiles to a target 5-7km in front of you.
+* ''Extra Tip:'' you can turn off your radar-rangefinder by pressing your "radar lock" button. It otherwise warns the enemy, annoys your teammates and is only useful to slave your IR missiles to a target 5-7 km in front of you.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' --><blockquote>"A quick assassin, right between the Kfir Canard and Kfir C.7"</blockquote>The Kfir C.2, being a derivative of the [[Mirage 5 (Family)|Mirage family]] and a step between the other Kfirs, it naturally plays rather similar. The J-79 engine and delta wings make it achieve stunning speeds both on the deck and at altitude (up to ~1450 kph IAS), as well as give it great angle of attack (AoA) capability, but employing the latter requires one to slow down below the transsonic regime, not least to not compress and to avoid ripping off the wings. This does however make it drastically bleed speed. It is thus advised to stay fast and employ "hit and run" tactics, preying on unsuspecting enemies with the impressive [[Python 3]] missile, only chosing to turn with an opponent when not faced with a hostile 3rd party capitalizing on your low energy state. Even with such a powerful engine, it takes time to recover the lost speed, and coupled with the delta wing characteristics, getting slow is a gamble to carefully consider and long dogfights should always be avoided. Another thing to keep in mind is the high fuel consumption and low amount of fuel the Kfir can carry into battle (max. 27 minutes).
-=== Air Realistic Battles (RB) ===
+==== Air Realistic Battles (RB) ====
 The Kfir C.2 is a plane that really needs to be played to its strengths to succeed, not least because its drawbacks otherwise end up being fatal. (see above)
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 In order to achieve good results, it is generally advisable to stay at a high speed to avoid being an easy target for a missile or a plane slipping onto one for a gunkill. The low countermeasure count only emphasizes this; most missiles can be dealt with via raw speed and shallow turns, leading the missile to turn harder than the plane and losing energy much quicker, until it falls out of the sky. The Kfir is no stranger to altitude and goes even faster up high, but only after the initial phases of the battle it's safe to climb. Radar guided weaponry is rather scarce when facing a downtier, but one should always be careful, as a moment of neglect can turn into a trip to the hangar in no-time.
-The Lion Cub excels at both baiting enemies for your team or squadmates, as well as support them in turn. Staying behind an opponent is not recommended, as this usually leaves you slow, tunnel-visioned and generally an easy target for enemies. The excellent missiles it gets are limited to only two, so making them count is essential. Prioritization of high value targets, such as the later mentioned planes, to hit with the potent missiles, if possible, is recommended, as these will prove difficult to deal with later and up close. Always remember your fuel though, it might pay off to not use the afterburner while commuting to the battle.
+The Kfir C.2 excels at both baiting enemies for your team or squadmates, as well as support them in turn. Staying behind an opponent is not recommended, as this usually leaves you slow, tunnel-visioned and generally an easy target for enemies. The excellent missiles it gets are limited to only two, so making them count is essential. Prioritization of high value targets, such as the later mentioned planes, to hit with the potent missiles, if possible, is recommended, as these will prove difficult to deal with later and up close. Always remember your fuel though, it might pay off to not use the afterburner while commuting to the battle.
 ==== Major Threats ====

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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * Without load
 * 2 x AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
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 == Usage in battles ==
-<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' --><blockquote>"A quick assassin, right between the Kfir Canard and Kfir C.7"</blockquote>The Kfir C.2, being a derivative of the [[Mirage 5 (Family)|Mirage family]] and a step between the other Kfirs, it naturally plays rather similar. The J-79 engine and delta wings make it achieve stunning speeds both on the deck and at altitude (up to ~1450 kph IAS), as well as give it great angle of attack (AoA) capability, but employing the latter requires one to slow down below the transsonic regime, not least to not compress and to avoid ripping off the wings. This does however make it drastically bleed speed. It is thus advised to stay fast and employ "hit and run" tactics, preying on unsuspecting enemies with the impressive [[Python 3]] missile, only chosing to turn with an opponent when not faced with a hostile 3rd party capitalizing on your low energy state. Even with such a powerful engine, it takes time to recover the lost speed, and coupled with the delta wing characteristics, getting slow is a gamble to carefully consider and long dogfights should always be avoided. Another thing to keep in mind is the high fuel consumption and low amount of fuel the Kfir can carry into battle (max. 27 minutes).
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Very fast acceleration
-* Good manoeuvrability
+* Very high top speed
-* Turns hard
+* Turns tight
 * Hard-hitting 30 mm autocannons
 * Python 3 missiles have a high G limit, very good range and acceleration
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Below average roll rate
 * 30 mm cannons have slow muzzle velocity
-* It can rip its wings at low altitude
+* It can rip its wings at high speed and excessive G-loading
 == History ==
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 * [[Mirage 5 (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-Based on the [[Nesher]], the Kfir (translates to "Lion Cub") was an Israeli program to improve their existing Mirage fleet with new avionics and the General Electric J79 engine from the [[F-4E_Phantom_II_(Israel)|F-4 Phantom II]]. Compared to the original French SNECMA Atar 9C engine in the Nesher, the J79 engine was shorter and had higher requirements for air flow and operating temperatures, so the modified aircraft holding the J79 had their rear ends redesigned for the shorter engine, with air intakes added or enlarged to accommodate the engine temperatures. The first prototype, under the name Ra'am (for "Thunder") flew on June 4, 1973, and the prototype would be accepted into Israeli Air Force service on April 14, 1975, in the 101 "First Fighter" Squadron as the Kfir C.1. The Kfir C.2 variant was the second production model after complaints that the C.1 had inferior maneuverability compared to the [[Shahak]], which saw the addition of canard (larger than that found on the [[Kfir Canard]]), leading edges on the wing, and small strakes on the nose.
+Based on the [[Nesher]], the Kfir (translates to "Lion Cub") was an Israeli program to improve their existing Mirage fleet with new avionics and the General Electric J79 engine from the [[Kurnass|F-4 Phantom II]]. Compared to the original French SNECMA Atar 9C engine in the Nesher, the J79 engine was shorter and had higher requirements for air flow and operating temperatures, so the modified aircraft holding the J79 had their rear ends redesigned for the shorter engine, with air intakes added or enlarged to accommodate the engine temperatures. The first prototype, under the name Ra'am (for "Thunder") flew on June 4, 1973, and the prototype would be accepted into Israeli Air Force service on April 14, 1975, in the 101 "First Fighter" Squadron as the Kfir C.1. The Kfir C.2 variant was the second production model after complaints that the C.1 had inferior maneuverability compared to the [[Shahak]], which saw the addition of canard (larger than that found on the [[Kfir Canard]]), leading edges on the wing, and small strakes on the nose.
 The '''{{Specs|name}}''', introduced into the game in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/7640-event-the-battle-for-arachis-en|"Battle for Arachis"]] event, shares its characteristics with the Mirage 5 lineage as a fighter-bomber, capable of performing in an air-to-air or air-to-ground role with its avionics and flight performance. Air-to-air performance is benefitted by the {{Specs|name}}'s maneuverability, especially its turn rates, to get nose onto target for guns or missiles, though missile availability is hindered to just two IR seeking missiles. For air-to-ground, the {{Specs|name}}'s ability to carry a total of eight 1000 lb bombs allows it to be able to destroy a base in air realistic mode or several armoured ground targets in ground battles. A full suite of [[Ballistic_Computer|ballistic computers allow for CCIP and CCRP]] usage that allows Kfir pilots to get their payload onto target as accurately as possible. The versatility in the Kfir's roles ensures that players are able to use it in response to different combat situations over the course of a match.

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-| rowspan="13" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="14" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
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 ! [[GAU-4 (20 mm)|20 mm GAU-4]] cannons (1,200 rpg)

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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-! 20 mm GAU-4 cannons (1,200 rpg)
+! [[GAU-4 (20 mm)|20 mm GAU-4]] cannons (1,200 rpg)
 | || 1 || || || || 1 ||
 |-
-! 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|500 lb LDGP Mk 82]] bombs
 | || 2, 3 || 2 || 5 || 2 || 2, 3 ||
 |-
-! 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs
+! [[SAMP Mk 82 250 Snakeye (500 lb)|500 lb SAMP Mk 82 250 Snakeye]] bombs
-| || 2 || 2 || || 2 || 2 ||
+| || 3 || 2 || 5 || 2 || 3 ||
 |-
-! 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83]] bombs
 | || 2 || 2 || || 2 || 2 ||
 |-
-! 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)|2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84]] bombs
 | || 1 || || || || 1 ||
 |-
-! FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
+! [[M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|750 lb M117 cone 45]] bombs
 | || 38 || || || || 38 ||
 |-
-! Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
+! [[Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP]] rockets
 | || 8 || || || || 8 ||
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-! AIM-9D Sidewinder missiles
+! [[AIM-9D Sidewinder]] missiles
 | 1 || || || || || || 1
 |-
-! AIM-9G Sidewinder missiles
+! [[AIM-9G Sidewinder]] missiles
 | 1 || || || || || || 1
 |-
-! Shafrir 2 missiles
+! [[Shafrir 2]] missiles
 | 1 || || || || || || 1
 |-
-!Python 3 missiles
+! [[Python 3]] missiles
 | 1 || || || || || || 1
 |-
-| colspan="8" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 1,100 kg
+| colspan="8" | Maximum permissible loadout weight: 4,295 kg<br>Maximum permissible wing load: 1,500 kg
 |-
 |}
 == Usage in battles ==