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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a squadron rank {{Specs|rank}} German frigate {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]].
+Originally laid down at the No. 820 shipyard in Kaliningrad, USSR on 24 March, 1954. The ''Tur'' was the eleventh of the Pr. 50 (Riga-class) frigates built for the Soviet Navy. After just two years of service with the Red navy, she would be sold to the German Democratic Republic, who renamed her '''Karl Marx''' in honor of the German father of communism. ''Karl Marx'' would serve uneventfully until 1971 when she was decommissioned and sold for scrap.
-The Karl Marx is a squadron vehicle equivalent of the [[Yenot]].
+Introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]] as the first German coastal squadron vehicle in the game. The '''Karl Marx''' is identical to her sister ship the [[Yenot]] in the Soviet tree. Being a frigate, the '''Karl Marx''' primarily excels at taking out coastal vessel at range thanks to her 100 mm cannons with reasonable rate of fire. Although only having a HE shell at disposal, the '''Karl Marx''' is still capable to hold on her own against destroyers at range, though she can still be easily overwhelmed if her weak turrets are disabled. Thus, unless you are pushing for a coastal area, it is better to stay behind the friendly destroyers to shield yourself from enemy fire.
 == General info ==
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-''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.''
+Although the hull of the Karl Marx is virtually unarmoured, she can still take quite a fair bit of punishments from destroyers due to spread out crew compartments. However, she can still be overwhelmed with a repeated hits on the engine or the turrets.
 === Mobility ===
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-''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.''
+In Realistic, the mobility of the Karl Marx is rather unimpressive. With 55 km/h top speed, she would often be leave behind by friendly destroyers. Though this also allowed you to stay at a safer distance while your ally is taking a blunt of the enemy's fire instead.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Has access to radar
+* Great firepower against coastal targets
-* Great firepower
+* Good gun handling, the main turrets are fully traversable
 * Has access to HE-VT shells on main armament
 '''Cons:'''
-* No autoloader (stuck with base 5.2 second reload)
+* Only has HE shell available, resulting into mediocre damage output against destroyers
 * Horrendous traverse speed on dual 37 mm AA
-* Outclassed by other frigates at its BR
+* Can be easily overwhelmed by other frigates with autoloaders, as they can disable all of your main guns before you can fight back
 == History ==

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 == Usage in battles ==
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 Compared to other frigates, the Karl Marx has better firepower than most with the exception of late Japanese and British frigates. The biggest downside this ship faces is the reload time. Most frigates such as SKRs and the Köln-class will outgun the Karl Marx.
 The Karl Marx is best played at a range farther than most frigates. This will give the ship better time to respond to threats and keep it away from heavy enemy fire, almost like a mini-destroyer. Like many frigates, focus on small targets such as boats, then frigates, then destroyers. Do not rely heavily on AA as much as other ships such as the Köln as it traverses terribly and has no HE-VT shells. Instead, use any HE-VT or time-fused shells in advance.
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 === Pros and cons ===
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 == History ==
-Original, the DDR (GDR) wanted to create its own "frigate" and build it in East Germany. In September 1952 Schiffsbautechnik in Wolgast began the development of "Projekt 10 Falke" (Hawk). However, the Project was canceled in 1955 in favour for Sowjet imports. From 1956 until 1959, the Volksmarine received four ships of the Riga-class (Project 50), that where taken from the Baltic Fleet. Some problems emerged at the beginning of the training, simple because many signs were still in Russian and not in German.
+<!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-On January 16th In 1961 the ships were given the names: [[wikipedia:Karl_Marx|Karl Marx]], [[wikipedia:Ernst_Thälmann|Ernst Thäleman]], [[wikipedia:Friedrich_Engels|Friedrich Engels]] and [[wikipedia:Karl_Liebknecht|Karl Liebknecht]].
+On January 16th 1961, the ships were given the names: Karl Marx, Ernst Thäleman, Friedrich Engels and Karl Liebknecht, after well-known German socialists.
-They were intended to combat sea and air targets, to hunt submarines, to provide escort, but also to support landing operations. In 1965/66 they conducted reconnaissance missions off the Norwegian coast and in the English Channel. The Karl Marx became particularly famous for her storm voyage in October 1967, as she survived one of the strongest hurricanes in the Baltic Sea since 1801, only slightly damaged thanks to the masterful efforts of the crew.
+They were intended to combat sea and air targets, to hunt submarines, to provide escort, but also to support landing operations. In 1965/66, they conducted reconnaissance missions off the Norwegian coast and in the English Channel. The Karl Marx became particularly famous for her storm voyage in October 1967, as she survived one of the strongest hurricanes in the Baltic Sea since 1801, only slightly damaged thanks to the masterful efforts of the crew.
 The ships were decommissioned from 1968 to 1977. Their successor was the Koni class (Project 1159).
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 '''Trivia'''
-Strictly speaking, the East German Navy never had frigates. The term was rarely used in the Volksmarine. Instead, In allusion to the Russian classification, it was classified as "Küstenschutzschiff", short KSS, wich can be translated to "Coastal protection ship".
+Strictly speaking, the East German Navy never had frigates. The term was rarely used in the Volksmarine. Instead, in an allusion to the Russian classification, it was classified as "Küstenschutzschiff" (KSS) which can be translated to "Coastal protection ship".
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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''
 {{ShipManufacturer Yantar Baltic Shipyard}}
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 == History ==
-Original, the DDR (GDR) wanted to create his own "frigate" and build it in East Germany. In September 1952 Schiffsbautechnik in Wolgast began the development of "Projekt 10 Falke" (Hawk). However, the Project was canceled in 1955 in favour for Sowjet imports. From 1956 until 1959, the Volksmarine received four ships of the Riga-class (Project 50), that where taken from the Baltic Fleet. Some problems emerged at the beginning of the training, simple because many signs were still in Russian and not in German.
+Original, the DDR (GDR) wanted to create its own "frigate" and build it in East Germany. In September 1952 Schiffsbautechnik in Wolgast began the development of "Projekt 10 Falke" (Hawk). However, the Project was canceled in 1955 in favour for Sowjet imports. From 1956 until 1959, the Volksmarine received four ships of the Riga-class (Project 50), that where taken from the Baltic Fleet. Some problems emerged at the beginning of the training, simple because many signs were still in Russian and not in German.
 On January 16th In 1961 the ships were given the names: [[wikipedia:Karl_Marx|Karl Marx]], [[wikipedia:Ernst_Thälmann|Ernst Thäleman]], [[wikipedia:Friedrich_Engels|Friedrich Engels]] and [[wikipedia:Karl_Liebknecht|Karl Liebknecht]].

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 == History ==
-<!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
+Original, the DDR (GDR) wanted to create his own "frigate" and build it in East Germany. In September 1952 Schiffsbautechnik in Wolgast began the development of "Projekt 10 Falke" (Hawk). However, the Project was canceled in 1955 in favour for Sowjet imports. From 1956 until 1959, the Volksmarine received four ships of the Riga-class (Project 50), that where taken from the Baltic Fleet. Some problems emerged at the beginning of the training, simple because many signs were still in Russian and not in German.
-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
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 == History ==
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+''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
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 ''Some ships are fitted with weapons of various calibres. Secondary armaments are defined as weapons chosen with the control <code>Select secondary weapon</code>. Evaluate the secondary armaments and give advice on how to use them. Describe the ammunition available for the secondary armament. Provide recommendations on how to use them and which ammunition to choose. Remember that any anti-air armament, even heavy calibre weapons, belong in the next section. If there is no secondary armament, remove this section.''
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+The Pr.50 Karl Marx is a squadron vehicle equivalent of the Pr.50 Yenot. Compared to other frigates, the Karl Marx has better firepower than most with the exception of late Japanese and British frigates. The biggest downside this ship faces is the reload. Most frigates such as SKRs and the Köln-class will outgun the Karl Marx.
 === Pros and cons ===
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-''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''
+''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective"''
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-{{main|RBU-2500|BB-1 depth charge|BB-1 depth charge|53-39 (533 mm)}}
+{{main|RBU-2500|BB-1 depth charge|53-39 (533 mm)}}
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