KW II 754 (r) (Germany) - Revision history

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U44629479: /* Ammo racks */ Copied image, table and notes from KV-2 (1940)

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‎Ammo racks: Copied image, table and notes from KV-2 (1940)

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 * Bouncy hull and turret, the chassis may effectively absorb shots as well
 * As is the case with all Soviet 152 mm armed tanks, the KW II can knock out any tank in the game with a single HE shell to the turret or rear hull
 '''Cons:'''
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 ! Armour !! Front !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || 75 mm (30°) ''Front plate'' <br> 70 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 75 mm (26-58°) ''Lower glacis'' || 75 mm || 60 mm (3-86°) ''Top'' <br /> 70 mm (11-58°) ''Bottom'' || 35 mm ''Front'' <br> 30 mm ''Rear''
+| Hull || 75 mm (30°) ''Front plate'' <br> 70 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 75 mm (26-58°) ''Lower glacis'' || 75 mm || 60 mm (3-86°) ''Top'' <br> 70 mm (11-58°) ''Bottom'' || 35 mm ''Front'' <br> 30 mm ''Rear''
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-| Turret || 75 mm ''Front turret'' <br /> 75 mm (2-41°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 75 mm || 75 mm <br> 45 mm (2-49°) ''Machine gun port'' || 40 mm
+| Turret || 75 mm ''Front turret'' <br> 75 mm (2-41°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 75 mm || 75 mm <br> 45 mm (2-49°) ''Machine gun port'' || 40 mm
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 | Cupola || 50 mm || 50 mm || 50 mm || 30 mm

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 | Turret || 75 mm ''Front turret'' <br /> 75 mm (2-41°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 75 mm || 75 mm <br> 45 mm (2-49°) ''Machine gun port'' || 40 mm
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-! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
+| Cupola || 50 mm || 50 mm || 50 mm || 30 mm
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 ==== Ammunition ====
-* '''G-530''' (AC)<br> The "Anti-Concrete" round has the same speed as the HE shell with decent amount of penetration for nearly all [[:Category:Third rank ground vehicles|rank III]] tanks. In ranges greater than 1000m, the OF-530 shell should be loaded to effectively deal with any vehicle including heavy tanks. Compared to the PB-35, it has much greater speed, improving long range accuracy.
+* '''G-530''' (SAPCBC)<br> The semi armour-piercing round has the same speed as the HE shell with decent amount of penetration for nearly all [[:Category:Third rank ground vehicles|rank III]] tanks. In ranges greater than 1,000 m, the OF-530 shell should be loaded to effectively deal with any vehicle including heavy tanks. Compared to the PB-35, it has much greater speed, improving long range accuracy.
 * '''OF-530''' (HE)<br>The "High-explosive" shell requires careful aim as despite its infamous power, a solid hit on the front of an enemy tank would not necessarily defeat the enemy. One must preferably aim beneath tanks or below the gun mantlets to sneak into thinly armoured portions such as the roof or belly armour.
-* '''PB-35''' (APCBC)<br> The shell with the most penetration on all ranges and the one with the worst accuracy, given due its abysmal slow velocity of 436 m/s (975 mph). Thus it is not advised to be used, except in close range combat.
+* '''PB-35''' (SAPCBC)<br> The shell with the most penetration on all ranges and the one with the worst accuracy, given due its abysmal slow velocity of 436 m/s (975 mph). Thus it is not advised to be used, except in close range combat.
 {{:M-10T (152 mm)/Ammunition|G-530, OF-530, PB-35}}
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 ===Realistic/Simulator battles===
-The KV-II's best friend are the binoculars. Keep the turret in a well angled position while scouting for targets with your glasses or normal eyesight. Unfortunately, in this mode the PB-35 is practically useless as the usual fighting ranges exceed 600m and without aim assistance getting hits with this howitzer are rare. Exceptions are town fights, but CQC is nothing a lone KV-2 should indulge in. A case could be made to focus on the OF-530 HE shell on long ranges. Not to destroy the enemy, but to track them and then sent a nice and juicy G-530 AC shell afterwards. Do not forget: G-530 and OF-530 share the same ballistics, if one hits the other one is likely to hit in the same ''wide'' area.
+The KV-II's best friend are the binoculars. Keep the turret in a well angled position while scouting for targets with your glasses or normal eyesight. Unfortunately, in this mode the PB-35 is practically useless as the usual fighting ranges exceed 600 m and without aim assistance getting hits with this howitzer are rare. Exceptions are town fights, but CQC is nothing a lone KV-2 should indulge in. A case could be made to focus on the OF-530 HE shell on long ranges. Not to destroy the enemy, but to track them and then sent a nice and juicy G-530 SAPCBC shell afterwards. Do not forget: G-530 and OF-530 share the same ballistics, if one hits the other one is likely to hit in the same wide area.
 ===Counter-tactics===
-'''Getting close''': Probably the most difficult part, if spotted a 40 kg shell with your name and address is coming for you. Thus sneaking up, or attacking from outside the KV-2's field of view is advised. Of course after the HE-trash-can has left the barrel a window of opportunity and hope will open up for you. With moving up and aiming two shots can be placed on the moving Soviet tower tank. An attack route from the side or rear is preferable, not only are you hidden, but the turret traverse is so awful on the KV-2 that it will not have the time to react fast enough. Just make sure to hit, or you are in a world of pain as soon&#8482; as it tank gets its chassis traverse to speed.
+'''Getting close''': Probably the most difficult part, if spotted a 40 kg shell with your name and address is coming for you. Thus sneaking up, or attacking from outside the KV-2's field of view is advised. Of course after the HE-trash-can has left the barrel a window of opportunity and hope will open up for you. With moving up and aiming two shots can be placed on the moving Soviet tower tank. An attack route from the side or rear is preferable, not only are you hidden, but the turret traverse is so awful on the KV-2 that it will not have the time to react fast enough. Just make sure to hit, or you are in a world of pain as soon as it tank gets its chassis traverse to speed.
-[[File:Where to shoot KV-2 side and rear.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Blue = bad,  Red = Shoot me!]]
+[[File:Where to shoot KV-2 side and rear.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Blue = bad, Red = Shoot me!]]
-'''Shooting''': Targets should be the gunner (right side) to stop the loading process (yes, weird mechanic) and the loader (left and right) to reduce loading time. If shooting HE filled AP shells two penetrating hits will often take out the gun breech as well, stopping reload and return fire ability entirely. The easiest way of performing these hits is via the turret ring which will always not be angled at certain parts from the front. If APHE shells hit below the side hull, it will possibly detonate the main storage of ammunition, resulting in an ammo rack detonation. If that is not the case the gunner, commander, cannon breech, loader, and ammunition  and turret ring will be damaged or wounded.
+'''Shooting''': Targets should be the gunner (right side) to stop the loading process (yes, weird mechanic) and the loader (left and right) to reduce loading time. If shooting HE filled AP shells two penetrating hits will often take out the gun breech as well, stopping reload and return fire ability entirely. The easiest way of performing these hits is via the turret ring which will always not be angled at certain parts from the front. If APHE shells hit below the side hull, it will possibly detonate the main storage of ammunition, resulting in an ammo rack detonation. If that is not the case the gunner, commander, cannon breech, loader, and ammunition and turret ring will be damaged or wounded.
 Shooting a KV-2 from the side is much easier, just one massive turret reaching into the sky. But do not shoot anywhere! The tracks will often eat shots and most KV-2 drivers are by now smart enough to not fully load up their KV-2, leaving the rear turret empty of shells.
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 * Able to destroy higher rank tanks (although not advised)
 * Bouncy hull and turret, the chassis may effectively absorb shots as well
-* Many experienced tank drivers would dread the characteristic, map-echoing sound of the 152 mm howitzer being fired
+* As is the case with all Soviet 152 mm armed tanks, the KW II can knock out any tank in the game with a single HE shell to the turret or rear hull
 '''Cons:'''
-* Long reload, resulting in difficult 1-on-1 fights since missing gives the enemy an opportunity to destroy the KV-II
+* Long reload, resulting in difficult 1-vs-1 fights since missing gives the enemy an opportunity to destroy the KV-II
 * Slow rotation speed of the turret means that flank attacks are difficult to respond to
 * Tall turret is very vulnerable from the side and difficult to hide
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 The start of the KV heavy tanks began after the heavy tank [[T-35]] flaws came to light. Designers were ordered to draw up new designs to become the basis of a breakthrough heavy tank needed for the Soviet doctrine. This made for a tank that was heavily armoured, but not very mobile as it was to be for siege warfare. The designs offered all had heavy armour, wide tracks, and used the torsion-bar suspension. The designs were the [[SMK]], T-100, and what would be the '''KV-1 tank''', which was named after the then Soviet Defense Commissar '''K'''liment '''V'''oroshilov.
-During the developmental progress, the prototypes of all these heavy tanks were made and the Winter War with Finland was on its way. The Soviets sent these tanks into Finland for combat testing, to which the KV design outperform in every way with its superior armour and firepower. The armour on the KV tank was impenetrable by an tank cannon in service and most anti-tank guns as well, the 76.2 cannon also gave it a huge firepower boost compared to the usual 37 mm in use by other countries. However, the design was found to be difficult to steer, the transmission was unreliable, ergonomics was poor and vision was limited, plus with its 45 ton weight, it was a very heavy tank for its time. In truth, while formidable in power and protection, courageous crew member willing to curse the name would speak out about the trouble the KV tank really was. The main variant of production before World War II broke out was the '''[[KV-1 (ZiS-5)|KV-1]]''' model.
+During the developmental progress, the prototypes of all these heavy tanks were made and the Winter War with Finland was on its way. The Soviets sent these tanks into Finland for combat testing, to which the KV design outperform in every way with its superior armour and firepower. The armour on the KV tank was impenetrable by an tank cannon in service and most anti-tank guns as well, the 76.2 cannon also gave it a huge firepower boost compared to the usual 37 mm in use by other countries. However, the design was found to be difficult to steer, the transmission was unreliable, ergonomics was poor and vision was limited, plus with its 45 ton weight, it was a very heavy tank for its time. In truth, while formidable in power and protection, courageous crew member willing to curse the name would speak out about the trouble the KV tank really was. The main variant of production before World War II broke out was the [[KV-1 (ZiS-5)|KV-1]] model.
 ===KV-2===
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 During the opening stages of Operation Barbarossa, the KV tanks came as a huge surprise from the Germans as they had no prior intel about these tanks, resulting in a lack of capable anti-tank weapons that could destroy these tanks aside from 88 mm Flak guns. The KV-2 served alongside the KV-1 in stalling the German Offensive to Moscow. During the Battle of Raseiniai, in Lithuania, a single KV-2 was able to hold up the entire 6th Panzer Divison for a full day by firing at them from a concealed location before it ran out of ammunition, ending with about two dozen tanks destroyed.
-Due to the low quantity of KV-2 produced, they didn't see much service past the opening stages of the war due to loss from attrition or mechanical failures, however 10 were still in service with the Voronezh Front on 4 July 1943 for the Battle of Kursk.  These were transferred to the 3rd Mech Corps on 9 July, and by 18 July only 1 was left serviceable - 5 were destroyed on 12 July, and 4 are recorded as being in repair from 13 July.  <ref name="3rdMechKursk">[http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA360311 Link, open at your own discression!] Source provided by‎ user Stalins Organ. US Army Center for Strategy and Force Evaluation - detailed day-day analysis of formation strengths at Kursk - both sides.  12MB PDF download </ref>
+Due to the low quantity of KV-2 produced, they didn't see much service past the opening stages of the war due to loss from attrition or mechanical failures, however 10 were still in service with the Voronezh Front on 4 July 1943 for the Battle of Kursk. These were transferred to the 3rd Mech Corps on 9 July, and by 18 July only 1 was left serviceable - 5 were destroyed on 12 July, and 4 are recorded as being in repair from 13 July. <ref name="3rdMechKursk">[http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA360311 Link, open at your own discretion!] Source provided by‎ user Stalins Organ. US Army Center for Strategy and Force Evaluation - detailed day-day analysis of formation strengths at Kursk - both sides. 12MB PDF download </ref>
 ===Survivors===

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 * '''PB-35''' (APCBC)<br> The shell with the most penetration on all ranges and the one with the worst accuracy, given due its abysmal slow velocity of 436 m/s (975 mph). Thus it is not advised to be used, except in close range combat.
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+{{:M-10T (152 mm)/Ammunition|G-530, OF-530, PB-35}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 == Usage in battles ==
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-Make sure to plan your route ahead of time make sure to avoid large distances in the open, this is a slow moving tank with a large profile making it an easy target for long barreled guns. Mobility is not a strength of this tank with slow acceleration coupled with a low hull traverse and gun elevation/depression, these aspects of the tank make close range brawling a bad idea. As for top speed in a straight line on flat ground this tank can achieve 30kph. The KV-2 is best used in medium to long range, or in close combat with a second squad mate, where if you fail to destroy a target you can seek cover to reload. It's almost always advisable to be with friendly tanks when taking out the KV-2, because of it's long reload. As for the armour you can bounce shots but don't rely on your armour to save you, since the enemy its faces can pierce its armour even at range. Don't forget that in the  half-minute period between your shots enemy tanks can shot you 2 or more times.
+Make sure to plan your route ahead of time make sure to avoid large distances in the open, this is a slow moving tank with a large profile making it an easy target for long barreled guns. Mobility is not a strength of this tank with slow acceleration coupled with a low hull traverse and gun elevation/depression, these aspects of the tank make close range brawling a bad idea. As for top speed in a straight line on flat ground this tank can achieve 30kph. The KV-2 is best used in medium to long range, or in close combat with a second squad mate, where if you fail to destroy a target you can seek cover to reload. It's almost always advisable to be with friendly tanks when taking out the KV-2, because of it's long reload. As for the armour you can bounce shots but don't rely on your armour to save you, since the enemy its faces can pierce its armour even at range. Don't forget that in the half-minute period between your shots enemy tanks can shot you 2 or more times.
 The KV-II, while able to destroy most enemies in one hit, is very vulnerable to return fire as its armour is easily penetrable by its enemies at the BR. The 76 mm in the Americans, the long 75 mm and 88 mm in the Germans, the 85 mm in the Russians, and the Type 5 guns in the Japanese are able to blast through the front, unsloped armour of the vehicle to deal a mortal blow. That said, even fast vehicles with weaker guns could travel faster than the KV-2's 152 mm turret traverse and even the gun depression in close range to be immune and free to plink away at the KV-II.
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 == See also ==

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 <references />
 {{Germany heavy tanks}}
 {{Germany premium ground vehicles}}

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
-[[File:Ammoracks_KV-2(1939).png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the [[KV-2 (1939)]] (identical to the {{PAGENAME}})]]
+[[File:Ammoracks_KV-2_(1940).png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the KV-2 (1940) (Identical).]]
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 ! Full<br>ammo
 ! 1st<br>rack empty
 ! 2nd<br>rack empty
 ! 3rd<br>rack empty
 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-| '''36''' || 32&nbsp;''(+4)'' || 27&nbsp;''(+9)'' || 20&nbsp;''(+16)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+35)'' || Yes
+| '''36''' || ''Projectiles''<br>''Propellants'' || 25&nbsp;''(+11)'' <br> 21&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 13&nbsp;''(+23)'' <br> 9&nbsp;''(+27)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+35)'' <br> 1&nbsp;''(+35)'' || No
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-'''Note''':
+'''Notes''':
-* Turret empty: 27&nbsp;''(+9)''.
+* The {{PAGENAME}} uses two-piece ammunition, composed of projectiles (yellow) and propellant bags (orange). Both have separate racks.
 === Machine guns ===