JAS39C (Great Britain) - Revision history

U22067555: Added JDAMs

2024-11-23T17:11:33Z

Added JDAMs

U42773747: I'll add some more things on top of previous edits and not touch this page again i think.

2024-07-15T18:08:46Z

I'll add some more things on top of previous edits and not touch this page again i think.

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U138796218: Re-wording of many sentences to be more professional. Added section about enemies' worth noting.

2024-07-14T12:54:18Z

Re-wording of many sentences to be more professional. Added section about enemies' worth noting.

U44629479: /* Usage in battles */ Edits

2024-06-29T19:18:43Z

‎Usage in battles: Edits

U42773747: added a pic and fixed some typos i found on re-read (probably not all of them)

2024-06-25T15:39:58Z

added a pic and fixed some typos i found on re-read (probably not all of them)

U42773747: rewrote interceptor part because it seems that BVR is not the strongest missile suit. maybe i'm not seeing something, but if i'm correct tornado with aim-120b is more suited for long rnage spam (will find out eventually ig).

2024-06-22T22:30:43Z

rewrote interceptor part because it seems that BVR is not the strongest missile suit. maybe i'm not seeing something, but if i'm correct tornado with aim-120b is more suited for long rnage spam (will find out eventually ig).

U42773747: /* Suspended armament */

2024-06-20T23:53:26Z

‎Suspended armament

U42773747: a LOT of text here no longer makes sense, i will try to tidy it up a little, though a proper research will take a while for me to conduct. You can also mercilessly edit this if you disagree, np.

2024-06-20T23:40:58Z

a LOT of text here no longer makes sense, i will try to tidy it up a little, though a proper research will take a while for me to conduct. You can also mercilessly edit this if you disagree, np.

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U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2024-06-20T21:07:30Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U38088265: U38088265 moved page JAS39C to JAS39C (Great Britain): Renamed in 2.37

2024-06-19T12:51:41Z

U38088265 moved page JAS39C to JAS39C (Great Britain): Renamed in 2.37

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 ! [[GBU-24 Paveway III (2,000 lb)|2,000 lb GBU-24 Paveway III]] bombs
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 ! [[AGM-65B]] missiles
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 * 4 x AGM-65B missiles
 * 4 x AGM-65G missiles
 * 4 x 277 kg GBU-12 Paveway II bombs (1,108 kg total)
 * 4 x 1,092 lb GBU-16 Paveway II bombs (4,368 lb total)

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 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
-{{Notice|Flight performance of this plane is changed very often, so information in this section may not be entirely correct by the time you read it.}}
+{{Notice|Flight performance of this plane has been changed several times since its release, however most sections remain valid after these changes.}}
 The Gripen is really simple to fly, as it has nearly all mechanics on automatic controls. Use of airbrakes is manual and is recommended when the plane is diving down, especially if pilot is about to pass out, otherwise the plane might lock up and crash into ground like a meteor.
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 With only light anti-air weaponry, the plane easily accelerates to 1100 km/h even without afterburner, with afterburner it is possible to reach 1500 km/h (nearing self-destruct speed) and further in a level flight.
-This is one of the most manoeuvrable planes in the entire game, and this mostly shows in three situations:
+Currently, the JAS39 family remains as the best dogfighter in game (However this is closely followed by the [[F-16A]] Block 10 and to a lesser extent, the Block 15 and 20 variants), and this mostly shows in three situations:
-*It has an extreme turn rate even with afterburner on, allowing to do a 180 degree turn on a whim when completely researched. This, however, can make the pilot pass out, as the plane also bleeds energy at an extreme rate should pilot make a poor move, so try to learn better movement patterns
-*It's possible to destabilize the plane and fall into a flat spin, but it is also one of the few planes that even a newbie can pull out of a flat spin with some effort taken
+*It has an extreme turn rate even with afterburner on, allowing to do a 180 degree turn on a whim when completely researched. This, however, can make the pilot pass out, despite having a delta wing, the Gripen still has good energy retention at almost all speed ranges.
-*Even as it is half-destroyed, it can controllably drift and flip around, allowing the player to take offending party to the grave with it
+*It's possible to destabilize the plane and fall into a flat spin, however the chances of this are minimal.
 Taking heavy bombs will severely hamper its flight performance. Consider using ATGMs instead, unless absolutely necessary.
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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-The Gripen itself is rather fragile, but unlike most early delta wings British players might be familiar with it has a lot of redundant controls and even the kanards on the front alone can keep the plane alive for a minute. Loss of flaps on the back can seriously hamper the ability to turn, but the plane will try to adapt. Literally losing half the wing will likely cause the plane to spin and crash, but pilot can fight it.
+The Gripen itself is rather fragile, but unlike most early delta wings British players might be familiar with it has a lot of redundant controls and even the canards on the front alone can keep the plane alive for a minute. Loss of flaps on the back can seriously hamper the ability to turn, but the plane will try to adapt. Losing half the wing will likely cause the plane to spin and crash, but pilot can fight it.
 [[File:Unkillable gripen counterattacks.jpg|thumb|right|As long as Gripen still has at least one working flap and the kanards, it can demonstrate truly horrific feats of defiance]]
-Taking heavy hit to the cockpit or the engine is generally fatal, but in case of engine fire the plane can still use remaining energy to fight, until the plane was completely torn to pieces.
+Taking heavy hit to the cockpit or the engine is generally fatal, but in case of engine fire the plane can still use remaining energy to fight or attempt to put out the fire via use of the EFS.
-One of the most important parts of this plane defences are the countermeasure pods - this plane by default has 80 large countermeasures and in its anti-air loadout it can have an absolutely disgusting amount of small countermeasures under its wings (up to 640). Even when firing countermeasures every 0.5 seconds (which is already enough to confuse AIM-9M and some ARH missiles) without any care in the world, the plane is unlikely to run out of countermeasures before every player on enemy team was already destroyed.
+One of the most important parts of this plane defences are the countermeasure pods - this plane by default has 80 large countermeasures and in its anti-air loadout it can have a large number of small countermeasures under its wings (up to 640). Even when firing countermeasures every 0.5 seconds (which is already enough to confuse AIM-9M and some ARH missiles) without any care in the world, the plane is unlikely to run out of countermeasures before every player on enemy team was already destroyed.
-On top of high amount of countermeasures, the plane has a rather low engine temperature when the afterburner is offline, which makes it slightly easier to lose the IR missiles in the aforementioned flare spam.
+On top of high amount of countermeasures, the plane has a rather low engine temperature when the afterburner is offline, which makes it slightly easier to lose the IR missiles with the use of flares.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 AIM-9M is a smokeless IR missile that shuts off its seeker when it sees flares and tries to intercept the plane on its last known course instead of just flying wherever it wants to like the 9L, which makes it incredibly difficult to evade without consistent flare spam (and not many planes have near-infinite flares like with the British ones).
-R-Darter is an ARH missile, meaning it has radar built into it and will attack planes on its own after establishing a lock. The missile is best described as Skyflash SuperTemp on steroids, as it doesn't even require sustained lock-on to fire (TWS soft lock is enough), is extremely agile and will relentlessly pursue and obliterate anything even off-screen within its optimal range, starting from 1.5 km and ending with about 13 km. The missile lock-on range is about 16 km, but it will do its best to trace chosen target until then by using IOG instead of self-destructing, though when launched at a target from very far away, it will try to loft (fly in space to then fall down) and will naively spend all of its energy on actively turning enemies, so using R-Darter at a long range is not very recommended (unless fired from space to begin with). The missile will use DL (data link) to correct itself and report it's own progress, basically being also linked to the plane's radar the whole time, which makes it visible on the radar display and lets it to take notes every time TWS (or even a direct lock-on) paints the chosen target.
+R-Darter is an ARH missile, meaning it has radar built into it and will attack planes on its own after establishing a lock. The missile is best described as Skyflash SuperTemp on steroids, as it doesn't even require sustained lock-on to fire (TWS soft lock is enough), is extremely agile and will relentlessly pursue and obliterate anything even off-screen within its optimal range, starting from 1.5 km and ending with about 13 km. The missile lock-on range is about 16 km, but it will do its best to trace chosen target until then by using IOG instead of self-destructing, though when launched at a target from very far away, it will try to loft (fly in space to then fall down) and will naively spend all of its energy on actively turning enemies, so using R-Darter at a long range is not recommended (unless fired from space to begin with). The missile will use DL (data link) to correct itself and report it's own progress, basically being also linked to the plane's radar the whole time, which makes it visible on the radar display and lets it to take notes every time TWS (or even a direct lock-on) paints the chosen target.
 In anti-ground section, AGM-65G are the most interesting addition to already known ammunition (same as on Harrier GR.7). It's essentially a giant SAP shell, filled with so much explosives that it might as well be HE. Since it's IR guided, it is fire-and-forget type of launch and can be used at night. One of it's major downsides is that it could in theory be intercepted by APS or blocked off by smoke screens, unlike a regular or laser bomb.
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 * Can attack with missiles at almost any angle it wants to, as it has access to HMD and the missiles don't really require a lock-on most of the time
 * Extremely nimble and capable plane, which can pull off one-of-a-kind manoeuvres
-* Can be extremely difficult and annoying to kill
+* Can be extremely difficult to kill
 ** lots of countermeasures, more than most players will ever need
 ** Able to turn, aim and fire even on the brink of death
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 * Can only carry a maximum of 6 missiles, anti-ground ammunition removes a missile and a countermeasure pod
-* Flying it without care can cause rapid energy loss and/or G-lock
+* Flying it without care can cause blackout
 * Flight performance suffers greatly if damaged or carrying heavy bombs
 * Missiles are not particularly good at long range
 * Not impossible to run out of fuel, but taking too much fuel makes the plane less agile (can be solved by bringing fuel tanks, but that requires more keybinds)

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 * Interceptor - This involves taking R-Darter missiles and trying to pick off targets by firing at them via TWS or by sneaking on them from low ground and firing into their face from 10 km away. It is very effective because R-Darter has stupidly high manoeuvrability while it has a booster, and multiple planes can be blasted in one volley since they are ARH and do not require babysitting after initial lock like the Skyflashes. Since R-Darter lofts (goes up to fall down) really hard and doesn't turn much after the booster is gone, it is not very good for long range fights (planes with AIM-120A will win by default unless you double tap them after they change flight direction and keep draining the missile energy by going left and right), but you can fire it at targets that are 20 km away and going along the ground or behind a mountain while you are also on at the same elevation without exposing yourself overly much (it will go up, lock on and then fall on them from about 30 degree angle). It also can conserve energy when chasing someone from behind by looming above them, so if enemy pilot gets distracted for 10 seconds it will fall on their face. Sometimes, when fired from about 25 km, the R-Darters will just find and kill their targets on their own, but keeping the TWS or lock on a plane will reduce possibility of chaff and aerobatics working on it.
-The Gripen is one of Air Realistic planes due to its low heat signature, low fuel consumption, HMD, and strong IR missiles, However this does not mean it is not as good in:
+The Gripen is one of the best suited planes in Air Realistic due to its low heat signature, low fuel consumption, HMD, and strong IR missiles, However this does not mean it is not as good in:
 ;Ground Realistic Battles:

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 With only light anti-air weaponry, the plane easily accelerates to 1100 km/h even without afterburner, with afterburner it is possible to reach 1500 km/h (nearing self-destruct speed) and further in a level flight.
-This is one of the most manoeuverable planes in the entire game, and this mostly shows in three situations:
+This is one of the most manoeuvrable planes in the entire game, and this mostly shows in three situations:
 *It has an extreme turn rate even with afterburner on, allowing to do a 180 degree turn on a whim when completely researched. This, however, can make the pilot pass out, as the plane also bleeds energy at an extreme rate should pilot make a poor move, so try to learn better movement patterns
 *It's possible to destabilize the plane and fall into a flat spin, but it is also one of the few planes that even a newbie can pull out of a flat spin with some effort taken
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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-The Gripen itself is rather fragile, but unlike most early delta wings British players might be familiar with it has a lot of redundant controls and even the kanards on the front alone can keep the plane alive for a minute. Loss of flaps on the back can seriously hamper the ability to turn, but the plane will try to adapt. Literally losing half the wing will likely cause the plane to spin and crash.
+The Gripen itself is rather fragile, but unlike most early delta wings British players might be familiar with it has a lot of redundant controls and even the kanards on the front alone can keep the plane alive for a minute. Loss of flaps on the back can seriously hamper the ability to turn, but the plane will try to adapt. Literally losing half the wing will likely cause the plane to spin and crash, but pilot can fight it.
+[[File:Unkillable gripen counterattacks.jpg|thumb|right|As long as Gripen still has at least one working flap and the kanards, it can demonstrate truly horrific feats of defiance]]
 Taking heavy hit to the cockpit or the engine is generally fatal, but in case of engine fire the plane can still use remaining energy to fight, until the plane was completely torn to pieces.
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 * Flying it without care can cause rapid energy loss and/or G-lock
 * Flight performance suffers greatly if damaged or carrying heavy bombs
 * Pathetic amount of gun ammunition and the radar is inaccurate, requiring pilot to actually know what they are doing and maybe pick a different gun convergence than usual, or even lock planes with LITENING instead (takes time)
 * Not impossible to run out of fuel, but taking too much fuel makes the plane less agile (can be solved by bringing fuel tanks, but that requires more keybinds)

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 AIM-9M is a smokeless IR missile that shuts off its seeker when it sees flares and tries to intercept the plane on its last known course instead of just flying wherever it wants to like the 9L, which makes it incredibly difficult to evade without consistent flare spam (and not many planes have near-infinite flares like with the British ones).
-R-Darter is an ARH missile, meaning it has radar built into it and will attack planes on its own after establishing a lock. The missile is best described as Skyflash SuperTemp on steroids, as it doesn't even require sustained lock-on to fire, is extremely agile and will relentlessly pursue and obliterate anything even off-screen within its optimal range, starting from 1.5 km and ending with about 13 km. The missile lock-on range is about 16 km, but it will do its best to trace chosen target until then by using IOG instead of self-destructing, though when launched at a target from very far away, it will try to fly in space to then fall down and will naively spend all of its energy on turning enemies, so using R-Darter at a long range is not very recommended (unless fired from space to begin with). The missile will use DL (data link) to correct itself and report it's own progress, basically being also linked to the plane's radar the whole time, which makes it visible on the radar display and lets it to take notes every time TWS (or even a direct lock-on) paints the chosen target.
+R-Darter is an ARH missile, meaning it has radar built into it and will attack planes on its own after establishing a lock. The missile is best described as Skyflash SuperTemp on steroids, as it doesn't even require sustained lock-on to fire (TWS soft lock is enough), is extremely agile and will relentlessly pursue and obliterate anything even off-screen within its optimal range, starting from 1.5 km and ending with about 13 km. The missile lock-on range is about 16 km, but it will do its best to trace chosen target until then by using IOG instead of self-destructing, though when launched at a target from very far away, it will try to loft (fly in space to then fall down) and will naively spend all of its energy on actively turning enemies, so using R-Darter at a long range is not very recommended (unless fired from space to begin with). The missile will use DL (data link) to correct itself and report it's own progress, basically being also linked to the plane's radar the whole time, which makes it visible on the radar display and lets it to take notes every time TWS (or even a direct lock-on) paints the chosen target.
 In anti-ground section, AGM-65G are the most interesting addition to already known ammunition (same as on Harrier GR.7). It's essentially a giant SAP shell, filled with so much explosives that it might as well be HE. Since it's IR guided, it is fire-and-forget type of launch and can be used at night. One of it's major downsides is that it could in theory be intercepted by APS or blocked off by smoke screens, unlike a regular or laser bomb.
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 The Gripen can be used in multiple ways:
-* Furball Fighter - Taking a full load of missiles and countermeasures. Periodic flares can be used this way along with the relatively cold engine of the Gripen, making you almost invulnerable to IR missiles. This however means than you want to be as light as possible, so taking minimum fuel and dropping the fuel pod as you enter the fight is very crucial. You should then target enemies that are not spamming flares with AIM-9M and crash anything too agressive with R-Darters. If the AIM-9M has at least 2-3 seconds of flight without seeing one flare, it is pretty much guaranteed to hit. If a lot of people are trying to set up for a head-on, you can literally destroy half of the enemy party with R-Darters before they can even get an angle on you, as R-darter can intercept targets that arent even on your screen normally. You can even fire at their backs as they begin their loops, but you will have to use HMD and may accidentally crash into ground if not paying attention, so take care
+* Furball Fighter - Taking a full load of missiles and countermeasures. Periodic flares can be used this way along with the relatively cold engine of the Gripen, making you almost invulnerable to IR missiles. This however means than you want to be as light as possible, so taking minimum fuel and dropping the fuel pod as you enter the fight is very crucial. You should then target enemies that are not spamming flares with AIM-9M and crash anything too agressive with R-Darters. If the AIM-9M has at least 2-3 seconds of flight without seeing one flare, it is pretty much guaranteed to hit. If a lot of people are trying to set up for a head-on, you can literally destroy half of the enemy party with R-Darters before they can even get an angle on you, as R-darter can intercept targets that arent even on your screen. You can even fire at their backs as they begin their loops, but you will have to use HMD and may accidentally crash into ground if not paying attention, so take care
-* Interceptor - This involves taking R-Darter missiles and trying to pick off targets by firing at them via TWS. Ideally, you want to be significantly higher than them (otherwise you will have to fire only on targets within 20 km or so), and when your missiles get close to your targets, ideally you want to also hard lock onto them with your pulse-doppler, so that they can't just chaff your missile away. Sometimes, when fired from about 25 km, the R-Darters will just find and kill their targets on their own. Make sure to change TWS resolution depending on situation - ultra wide TWS window allows you and your missiles to basically see the entire battlefield, but will significantly worsen prediction accuracy, while slim TWS will zero-in on one target without really locking onto it (which may prevent it from going into full-on panic mode and trying to energy fight the missile, notch, etc), but will blind the rest of your R-Darters (should you fire more than one)
+* Interceptor - This involves taking R-Darter missiles and trying to pick off targets by firing at them via TWS or by sneaking on them from low ground and firing into their face from 10 km away. It is very effective because R-Darter has stupidly high manoeuvrability while it has a booster, and multiple planes can be blasted in one volley since they are ARH and do not require babysitting after initial lock like the Skyflashes. Since R-Darter lofts (goes up to fall down) really hard and doesn't turn much after the booster is gone, it is not very good for long range fights (planes with AIM-120A will win by default unless you double tap them after they change flight direction and keep draining the missile energy by going left and right), but you can fire it at targets that are 20 km away and going along the ground or behind a mountain while you are also on at the same elevation without exposing yourself overly much (it will go up, lock on and then fall on them from about 30 degree angle). It also can conserve energy when chasing someone from behind by looming above them, so if enemy pilot gets distracted for 10 seconds it will fall on their face. Sometimes, when fired from about 25 km, the R-Darters will just find and kill their targets on their own, but keeping the TWS or lock on a plane will reduce possibility of chaff and aerobatics working on it.
 The Gripen is one of Air Realistic planes due to its low heat signature, low fuel consumption, HMD, and strong IR missiles, However this does not mean it is not as good in:

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-| rowspan="16" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_JAS39A.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="17" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_JAS39A.png]]</div>
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 ! [[GBU-12 Paveway II (277 kg)|277 kg GBU-12 Paveway II]] bombs
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-! [[Skyflash]] missiles
+! [[R-Darter]] missiles
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 * 3 x 1,100 l drop tanks
-* 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles
+* 2 x AIM-9M Sidewinder missiles
 * 6 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles
 * 6 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles + 640 x countermeasures
 * 6 x AIM-9M Sidewinder missiles
 * 6 x AIM-9M Sidewinder missiles + 640 x countermeasures
-* 4 x Skyflash missiles
+* 4 x R-Darter missiles
 * 640 x countermeasures
 * 8 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (4,000 lb total)
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 * 4 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (4,000 lb total)
 * 4 x AGM-65B missiles
 * 4 x 277 kg GBU-12 Paveway II bombs (1,108 kg total)
 * 4 x 1,092 lb GBU-16 Paveway II bombs (4,368 lb total)

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